Probing Mueller

[marke]

It wasn't his job to follow up on "rumors"... as an Assistant DA, his job was to prosecute the cases he was assigned.... the ones in the present. Not to re-try closed cases from the past.

Michael Albano, a former member of the parole Board as well as a former mayor of Springfield testified that Mueller had written letters to the parole board in the late 1980s seeking to influence the parole board to deny parole to the wrongfully convicted prisoners. The best that could be assumed about such a move on Mueller's part is that he was incompetent and/or not thorough in his job.

 

[marke]

J. Edgar Hoover had been dead for over a decade before Mueller became a Federal Prosecutor.

Look... whatever your personal impressions are of Mueller and the USDA's Office in Massachusetts, they must have done something right, because his boss got promoted to Asst. AG for the Criminal Division during Reagan's Second Term, and Mueller took over his position on an interim basis. A couple of years later, Mueller was promoted to the same job under Bush, Sr.

It took years for Mueller to be named head of the FBI, a position the crook J. Edgar Hoover held for decades. Just because wicked or incompetent or immoral men get promoted does not make them just and honorable.

J. Edgar Hoover was very much alive and in the loop when the FBI knowingly framed 4 innocent men for murder and sentenced them to the electric chair or, in one case, life in prison. You cannot get more corrupt and wicked than that.

 

[Cordelier]

Michael Albano, a former member of the parole Board as well as a former mayor of Springfield testified that Mueller had written letters to the parole board in the late 1980s seeking to influence the parole board to deny parole to the wrongfully convicted prisoners. The best that could be assumed about such a move on Mueller's part is that he was incompetent and/or not thorough in his job.

I think it's a more valid assumption that Albano had a reputation for being a parole board pushover.... just ask Willie Horton.

 

[Cordelier]

It took years for Mueller to be named head of the FBI, a position the crook J. Edgar Hoover held for decades. Just because wicked or incompetent or immoral men get promoted does not make them just and honorable.

J. Edgar Hoover was very much alive and in the loop when the FBI knowingly framed 4 innocent men for murder and sentenced them to the electric chair or, in one case, life in prison. You cannot get more corrupt and wicked than that.

You can rant about J. Edgar Hoover all you want. I'm talking about Bob Mueller.

 

[Cordelier]

No. His focus was on the corruption of the FBI at the highest levels in Boston and even included J. Edgar Hoover. This is from Congressional testimony from the House Committee On Government Reform, May 3, December 13, 2001; and February 6, 2002:

...Today's hearing is going to focus on an injustice done by the FBI that went on for nearly 30 years. ...

The reason Joe Salvati went to prison was because an FBI informant lied about him which is unthinkable. But the reason he stayed in jail was because the FBI agents knew their informant lied and they covered it up, and that's much worse. Documents we've received show that this case was being followed at the highest levels of the FBI in Washington. J. Edgar Hoover was kept informed on a regular basis.

That is FBI corruption at the highest level and now we have seen it again in Comey, McCabe, Strzok and others. This is what Congressman Christopher Shays said in the Congressional hearing:

So profound an injustice is almost unimaginable. But it takes very little imagination to reconstruct the sordid saga of official malfeasance, obstruction, brutality and corruption that brings us here this morning. In this tragic tale ends justified means, cascading down a legal and ethical spiral until both the ends and means became utterly unjust. ...

Chairman Dan Burton said on the record: The mere fact that they were the FBI and those are the type of comments that they would make, it was all done with a purpose in mind so the press that is here today would not get involved with the stories. They didn't want anyone investigating the investigators.

How eerily similar is that to the current "investigation" and media blindness ongoing right now in the Mueller 'investigation?'

Again, this case had nothing whatsoever to do with Bob Mueller or his Directorship of the FBI. What you're doing is akin to trying to blame Bill Clinton for Watergate.

 

[marke]

You can rant about J. Edgar Hoover all you want. I'm talking about Bob Mueller.

Mueller was successful in his efforts to keep the innocent men behind bars. Two died in prison, thanks to Mueller, but two got out after 30 years, no thanks to Mueller. And when lawyers sued the FBI and the State of Massachusetts for the unconscionable wrong, Mueller had to take credit for at least the part he played in the wrongful imprisonment. He deserved credit for his part in the lengthy criminal operation which resulted in a $101 million settlement. he can claim he did not know but that makes him admitting he was ignorant and did not know what he was doing.

For someone like Mueller who has pursued the highest offices in government law enforcement, ignorance is not something he should brag about on his resume.

 

[Cordelier]

Mueller was successful in his efforts to keep the innocent men behind bars. Two died in prison, thanks to Mueller, but two got out after 30 years, no thanks to Mueller. And when lawyers sued the FBI and the State of Massachusetts for the unconscionable wrong, Mueller had to take credit for at least the part he played in the wrongful imprisonment and the resulting $101 million payout settlement.

Again, they were convicted in 1968.... Mueller didn't become a Federal Prosecutor until 1982.

 

[chuckiechan]

Okay, I'm going to correct you on a few points... first off, there is no "Obama FBI" or "Trump FBI" - there's only an FBI, period. Secondly, the FBI doesn't respond well to political pressure from whatever source. If an AG or a President tries to push it in one direction or another, it has a tendency to bite them in the ass PDQ.

Secondly, I'm not really sure what you think the "factual evidence we now know" amounts to, and I don't really think it does a lot of good to speculate. Here's what I do know... the Russians have been doing dezinformatsiya since Dzerzhinsky was in diapers. They've gotten pretty good at it over the years. So that being said, I don't put a whole lot of stock in breathless conspiracies whispered in back alleys. What matters now is ironclad back-to-basics fact-checking. You can't take whatever piece of so-called "evidence" falls into your lap and just give it instant credibility. I'm not saying to ignore evidence... but you do have to use common sense and restraint. Fusion GPS, the Ohr Notes or whatever else you think you know... ask yourself - how did you come by the information? Did you read it on a website? Well, then how did they come by the information? Chain of evidence is very important here, don't you think?

The FBI is no longer a non partisan entity. They are involved in trying to frame Trump, and are stonewalling as we speak. To say it is “honest” is to ignore all reality where the Mueller/Trump Russia probe is going. Meuller is in a bind because the longer he probes, the more information that comes our about FBI and Clinton corruption. Meuller can’t bury it all. “Notices to preserve evidence” are falling on the DoJ and FBI like snowflakes.

BTW, that’s how they got Marth Stewart, she said, he said, they chose to believe him. So she settled with a guilty plea to avoid a very lengthy jail term for not matching up with the FBI “witness” who cut a deal. and since then lawyers do not advise to talk to the FBI. They are Al Capone in suits.

“If you say the sky is green, you go home today. If you say it’s blue, you will die in jail”.

Welcome to Amerika’s FBI.

 

[marke]

I think it's a more valid assumption that Albano had a reputation for being a parole board pushover.... just ask Willie Horton.

So, your assessment is that Albano was a pushover for seeking parole for the innocent men and Mueller was a stoic for fighting against giving them clemency?

 

[marke]

Again, this case had nothing whatsoever to do with Bob Mueller or his Directorship of the FBI. What you're doing is akin to trying to blame Bill Clinton for Watergate.

Maybe Mueller was one of possibly a handful of federal attorneys who remained ignorant of the men's innocence for 30 years until they were finally freed when the government corruption in the FBI was finally exposed to the whole world. But that does not speak well for his competence during the entire time he was at Boston mif he knew nothing about continued cruelly wicked corruption in the Boston FBI the whole time.

Today's hearing is going to focus on an injustice done by the FBI that went on for nearly 30 years.

Testimony from the Hearing before the Committee on Government Reform investigating corruption in the FBI, nationally at the highest levels but particularly in the FBI Boston office.

 

[Cordelier]

The FBI is no longer a non partisan entity. They are involved in trying to frame Trump, and are stonewalling as we speak. To say it is “honest” is to ignore all reality where the Mueller/Trump Russia probe is going. Meuller is in a bind because the longer he probes, the more information that comes our about FBI and Clinton corruption. Meuller can’t bury it all. “Notices to preserve evidence” are falling on the DoJ and FBI like snowflakes.

BTW, that’s how they got Marth Stewart, she said, he said, they chose to believe him. So she settled with a guilty plea to avoid a very lengthy jail term for not matching up with the FBI “witness” who cut a deal. and since then lawyers do not advise to talk to the FBI. They are Al Capone in suits.

“If you say the sky is green, you go home today. If you say it’s blue, you will die in jail”.

Welcome to Amerika’s FBI.

What exactly do you "know" about where the Mueller probe is going? He's got a good team and he runs a tight ship. So far as I'm aware, there have been no leaks coming out of his office. Everything everybody not involved with the investigation thinks they "know" is all spin, conjecture and speculation.

It's like the old adage goes, "Those who know don't talk... those who talk don't know."

For myself, I am content to let the man do his job with a minimum of interference and see what's in the report he issues.

 

[Cordelier]

So, your assessment is that Albano was a pushover for seeking parole for the innocent men and Mueller was a stoic for fighting against giving them clemency?

I don't have an assessment... like I said in my post, it was an assumption. I have no evidence of the existence of any communications between Albano and Mueller on this matter on which to make an assessment.

 

[marke]

Again, they were convicted in 1968.... Mueller didn't become a Federal Prosecutor until 1982.

Mueller came to Boston in the 1980s. William Weld was Federal District Attorney before Mueller came and then was a Justice Department official for the Boston area afterward. After Weld became governor he denied commutation for Joseph Salvati because he said Salvati had a long criminal record, which he didn't. The coverup of FBI and local police crimes in Boston continued even into 2001 when Mueller, as newly appointed FBI Director under Bush, played a role in shutting down Congressional access to secret FBI files on the cases, a moved that shocked Congressional leaders.

 

[marke]

Again, this case had nothing whatsoever to do with Bob Mueller or his Directorship of the FBI. What you're doing is akin to trying to blame Bill Clinton for Watergate.

Mueller stood by his pals in the Boston FBI the whole time. When Congress opened up its investigation into the Boston corruption in 2001 Mueller played a role as newly appointed FBI Director and changed the way access to secret government files had before been done, denying Congress access to the 30-year old files for unreasonable or inexplicable reasons. Exposure of the criminal activities of past FBI agents was something Mueller was not allowing.

 

[RSHERMR]

It is on record that Mueller has met with, and collaborated with at least one Russian Oligarch.

Mueller's FBI once asked Russian oligarch to help free agent from Iran ...
www.dailymail.co.uk/.../Muellers-Russian-conflict-FBI-asked-oligarch-help-free-ex-bure...
May 15, 2018 - On Monday, new details emerged in an account of then-FBI Director Mueller's 2009 deal with Russian oligarch Oleg Deripaska to help rescue ...

That Time Mueller Courted The Russian Oligarch He's Going After ...
dailycaller.com/2018/05/14/robert-mueller-courted-russian-oligarch-investigation/
May 14, 2018 - Robert Mueller may have ties with one of the Russian oligarchs he's ... Oleg Vladimirovich Deripaska, a Russian oligarch and aluminum ... the State Department scrapped a deal the FBI had secured with Iran to free Levinson.

Mueller's FBI, A Secret Iranian Mission, And A Russian Billionaire: A ...
https://therepublicanstandard.com › News
May 16, 2018 - Mueller's FBI, A Secret Iranian Mission, And A Russian Billionaire: A Conflict Of ... The bureau asked Russian oligarch Oleg Deripaska to spend ...

Deripaska would like nothing more than to have both the Magnitsky Act lifted as well as the ban that Trump just put in him.

So maybe the others aren't that far fetched after all.

It does bring to lights a most interesting set of connections though:

Emails show 2016 links among Steele, Ohr, Simpson — with Russian ...
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/.../emails-show-2016-links-among-steele-ohr-si...
3 days ago - 12, 2016, when Steele sent Ohr a New Year's greeting. Steele brought up the case of Russian aluminum magnate Oleg Deripaska (referred to ...

Emails Show Christopher Steele Lobbied DOJ Official On Behalf Of ...
dailycaller.com/2018/08/09/christopher-steele-deripaska-bruce-ohr/
2 days ago - Christopher Steele was working on the Trump dossier at the same time he was lobbying DOJ official Bruce Ohr on behalf of a Russian oligarch linked to Putin. Newly revealed emails showSteele thought the U.S. government should grant visas to Deripaska, who had been barred from ...

Christopher Steele Communicated with Top DOJ Official while ...
https://www.nationalreview.com/.../christopher-steele-communicated-with-doj-official...
2 days ago - The emails, reviewed by the Washington Examiner, largely pertain to Russian oligarch Oleg Deripaska, and appear to indicate that Steele was ...

Was Christopher Steele Paid by Russian Oligarch Deripaska ...
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/.../was_christopher_steele_paid_by_russian_oligarch...
Feb 13, 2018 - A release last week of texts showed that Christopher Steele, the former British spy whose memos regarding the Trump campaign's possible ties ...

Oh, and Deripaska has very close ties to Putin.

So actual, real, documented, Russian collusion, anyone? Beuller? Beuller?

Wow, I never in my life saw a single post with as many totally right wing and totally partial sources as your post, in my life. And I am old.
Did you ever consider using impartial sources, and staying away from obviously partial sources with equally obvious agenda driven content?

 

[RSHERMR]

So yes...there WAS Russian collusion...but it wasn't Trump. It was the people who hated Trump.

The Truth is being revealed. I believe...I hope...heads roll. This cannot be tolerated.

Yes, indeed. So, we can believe the fbi, or we can believe politicians, or we can believe totally agenda driven entertainment sources. I mean, why would you want to believe the FBI who is known to be impartial, even after agenda driven investigation by politicians. I mean, do you simply believe sources that say what you want to believe? Makes more sense to most to look for the impartial truth.

 

[RSHERMR]

This is what I don't get... you've already pre-judged Mueller's investigation before it has even finished. Why not give the man the benefit of the doubt and wait and see what he comes up with?

He's got an impeccable resume and a solid record of sound judgment. If I had to pick someone to handle this investigation, I can't think of anyone in the country who could handle it better. What's more, he's a conservative Law-and-Order Republican, having held senior positions in both of the Bush Administrations. I'm a left-of-center Democrat and I can give him the benefit of the doubt... so why can't you?

Simple enough. Republicans and those leaning to that thinking are trying anything that they can to cause a honest investigation to stop. Because they are not interested in considering truth. They simply want a "Win" for the republicans, damn the truth.
For months before and after appointing Mueller, solid republicans could not stop saying what a great choice he was, what a great background he has, and how honest he was. And that he has always been Republican was their solid touchstone. But all that was based on the believe that Mueller would find no problem with the Trump administration. Now, all has changed in their minds. Fickle people can change their minds easily.

 

[RSHERMR]

Umm. The justification for the Mueller investigation is built on a rickety foundation of the Steele dossier. That's not going to get any better as time goes on, and further Russian connections / collusion between high government officials and the Russians continues to be uncovered and made public.

The Steele dossier came to the investigation long after the potential problems with the Trump administration was found. Way after. And the investigation being based on the Steele dossier has been pushed by nut case republicans, investigated with witnesses under OATH, and found to be totally untrue. Where have you been???

 

[chuckiechan]

Wow, I never in my life saw a single post with as many totally right wing and totally partial sources as your post, in my life. And I am old.
Did you ever consider using impartial sources, and staying away from obviously partial sources with equally obvious agenda driven content?

I hope when this is over, Trump appoints a law and order AG and appoints about 10 Special Fishermen and turns them loose on the democrats, for too many crimes to list here.

Then I'll read your excuses.

Mueller is a crook running a frame job waiting out the mid terms hoping the democrats take the house and stop investigation into the destruction of the FBI has a reputable branch of government, where Mueller and his cronies are at ground zero.

 

[RSHERMR]

I have not pre-judged Mueller. In fact, up until recently I've been a supporter of his investigation because I believed he would easily send this "Trump/Russia" nonsense packing. Instead, he is only paying attention to small fry like Manafort and some Russians who will never see a day in court.

As more and more information is coming out, it is looking more and more like the Mueller investigation is nothing more than an extension of the corrupt Obama administration scheme directed against Trump. In effect, the Mueller investigation appears to be part of the "insurance policy" Strzok spoke of.

Now YOU may consider Mueller a stand-up guy...I consider him part and parcel of the Hate Trump movement.

So, you supported Mueller and the russian investigation when you thought it would exonerate Trump. But now that evidence points to Trump and his folks working with the republicans, you HATE the mueller investigation. Got it. And so you think it is Strook influence, though the FBI says he had no impact. And oh yeah, there is always the Obama connection.
Really, pushing agenda should not be part of your thought process, IF you had any concern about truth.

 

[Mycroft]

Yes, indeed. So, we can believe the fbi, or we can believe politicians, or we can believe totally agenda driven entertainment sources. I mean, why would you want to believe the FBI who is known to be impartial, even after agenda driven investigation by politicians. I mean, do you simply believe sources that say what you want to believe? Makes more sense to most to look for the impartial truth.

Or...instead of choosing which agenda to believe, how about we just believe the facts and the evidence? (what little is being released to the public, anyway)

 

[RSHERMR]

I hope when this is over, Trump appoints a law and order AG and appoints about 10 Special Fishermen and turns them loose on the democrats, for too many crimes to list here.

Then I'll read your excuses.

Mueller is a crook running a frame job waiting out the mid terms hoping the democrats take the house and stop investigation into the destruction of the FBI has a reputable branch of government, where Mueller and his cronies are at ground zero.

Damn, how did he get from being the most honest and respected person to run this investigations, by the very republicans who are now attacking him, to being a crook. Really, that is among the most difficult to absorb bit of attempted logic I have ever seen.

 

[Floridafan]

Or...instead of choosing which agenda to believe, how about we just believe the facts and the evidence? (what little is being released to the public, anyway)

Do you reallythink you would ever believe facts and evidence, particularly if trump and family are implicated in Russian interference in our elections?

 

[Mycroft]

So, you supported Mueller and the russian investigation when you thought it would exonerate Trump. But now that evidence points to Trump and his folks working with the republicans, you HATE the mueller investigation. Got it. And so you think it is Strook influence, though the FBI says he had no impact. And oh yeah, there is always the Obama connection.
Really, pushing agenda should not be part of your thought process, IF you had any concern about truth.

???

I have no idea what you are blathering about with that "evidence points to Trump and his folks working with the republicans" thing.

Anyway, what has changed my mind about Mueller is evidence that implicates him in the witch hunt. Previously, I didn't think he was part of it. Recent evidence increasingly suggests he is.

I am always concerned with the truth.

 

[Mycroft]

Do you reallythink you would ever believe facts and evidence, particularly if trump and family are implicated in Russian interference in our elections?

Yes.

Now...show me some facts and evidence. I haven't seen any yet. (seen lots of spin, speculation, innuendo, hyperbole...and a few lies, though)