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1.) Illegal in ALL cases NO exceptions
2.) Illegal WITH exceptions
3.) 1st trimester only (1-12wks) NO exceptions
4.) 1st trimester only (1-12wks) WITH exceptions
E1.) exceptions for when the mother's life is in immediate danger
E2.) exceptions fo sever deformity/risk of still born
E3.) exceptions for rape
E4.) exceptions for incest
http://www.debatepolitics.com/abortion/176625-pro-choicers-identify-yourself-please.htmlWhere is the option legal in all cases?
This will probably be a 3 thread poll/topic.
One of them will be for pro-choicers too.
Seems far too often its a black vs. white issue when that's not actually how it is, like life and all things its much more grey.
All "so called" pro-lifers are not the same and all "so called" pro-choicers are not the same.
I myself think the most accurate label for me is pro-choice with limits :shrug:
Anyway I'm sorry for the general poll options but they are limited, please vote for which is the closest to your stance.
1.) Illegal in ALL cases NO exceptions
2.) Illegal WITH exceptions
3.) 1st trimester only (1-12wks) NO exceptions
4.) 1st trimester only (1-12wks) WITH exceptions
E1.) exceptions for when the mother's life is in immediate danger
E3.) exceptions for rape
E4.) exceptions for incest
Where is the option legal in all cases?
http://www.debatepolitics.com/abortion/176625-pro-choicers-identify-yourself-please.html
Although it wouldn't be a bad idea for the thread started to link his own threads in each of the opening post.
The better question is "Where is the option for legal pro-choice, personal pro-life"? I think many people fall under that, including myself.
The better question is "Where is the option for legal pro-choice, personal pro-life"? I think many people fall under that, including myself.
http://www.debatepolitics.com/abortion/176625-pro-choicers-identify-yourself-please.html
Although it wouldn't be a bad idea for the thread started to link his own threads in each of the opening post.
The better question is "Where is the option for legal pro-choice, personal pro-life"? I think many people fall under that, including myself.
There is no such thing as personal pro-life while being legally pro-choice. Pro-life is the opposition to legal abortion, more specifically opposition to legal abortion on demand.
There is no such thing as personal pro-life while being legally pro-choice. Pro-life is the opposition to legal abortion, more specifically opposition to legal abortion on demand.
Pro-life | Define Pro-life at Dictionary.com
opposed to legalized abortion; right-to-life.
Right-to-life | Define Right-to-life at Dictionary.com
pertaining to or advocating laws making abortion, especially abortion-on-demand, illegal; antiabortion: right-to-life advocates.
Personally pro life is where you wouldn't want to get an abortion yourself and they can be legally pro choice where they don't want to ban it themselves.
The dictionary of course won't list it but that shouldn't really matter.
Abortionists may buy the "I'm personally pro-life but legally pro-choice" lie but those who are pro life do not.
1. Terms mean something.
2. No person who is actually pro-life supports abortion on demand being legal.
The better question is "Where is the option for legal pro-choice, personal pro-life"? I think many people fall under that, including myself.
this is part of the problem right here and not part of the solution
again you simply do not get to make that call
just like the people that would say YOU are not truly pro-life
1.)A pro-lifer's position is opposition to legal on demand abortion and therefore will want to ban or keep abortion on demand illegal. Therefore a pro-lifer's solution is either keep if illegal if on demand abortion is already illegal in that country, try for an outright ban or use baby steps to slowly chip away at legalized on demand abortion. A pro-choicer's position is support for making and or keeping on demand abortion legal. Therefore a pro-choicer's solution is to oppose any attempts to ban or restrict legalized on demand abortion and in countries where it is illegal try an outright attempt to make it legal or use baby steps to make it legal. These two groups have antonymous views on abortion and autonomous solutions.
2.)Its not a matter of making a call.Pro-life opposition to legalized abortion or more specifically legalized abortion on demand. If you support abortion being legal then you can not call yourself pro-life.
3.)The people who say that are pro-abortionist retards trying to argue that if support military action, the death penalty or some other issue unrelated to abortion then you are not pro-life.
Well for me I'm just personally pro life for just the women and pro choice on the unborn human.
this is part of the problem right here and not part of the solution
again you simply do not get to make that call
just like the people that would say YOU are not truly pro-life
1.)The "I'd never do it myself but support others doing it" rationale is probably the most illogical of all the varied positions. That would be like me saying I would never commit murder but I support others right to choose to do it. And yes, I understand it's not murder in the legal sense, I'm using an analogy. If you say you wouldn't do it, you're acknowledging that you believe something to be wrong or bad about it.
2.)I don't know anyone that would say that about JamesRage. For me, the more accurate term is anti-abortion. I do concede the rape/incest exceptions mainly so we can move on from pretending that all or even most abortions occur as a result of those things. They don't. I don't draw arbitrary lines regarding the gestation of the baby. My friend's son is did not magically become something completely different from one week to the next. It's all part of the process. I am also incapable of understanding vilifying the baby or believing it deserves to be ripped apart at any stage, as if it's at fault for it's existence.
There are a great many of us who practice Christianity, are very close with GOD, and support choice. It's because we believe that it is unfair to try and make people who are not Christians live their lives based on my beliefs. Just as I cannot force someone to become a Christian, changing laws to force women to do what I believe God requires still will not make them a Christian, it will only make them followers of the law. That person would not be changing their behavior because of their relationship with God. Pro-choice Christians understand that a relationship with God is based on accepting God’s love for us; it cannot be forced on people nor can they be manipulated into it. The Gospel is “good news,” not a scare tactic or a tool used to control people. We are also mindful of those historic examples of when Christianity has been used to perpetuate discrimination and injustice.
The better question is "Where is the option for legal pro-choice, personal pro-life"? I think many people fall under that, including myself.
1.) its not illogical at all its the simple understanding that what one chooses to practice for themselves isnt what all should do or be forced to do. Its actually super logical when it comes to the stage of law, rights, morals, country freedom. Hence millions that feel this way. including many religious people that feel their choice of pro-life is for them. And similar issues with gay marriage and the pope etc.
I always like this statement from "A" Christians of course this christian doesn speak for us all.
I know. I'm free to disagree with you but if I do, I'm a conspiricy nut.again, you dont have to agree with that and im not saying i do but im just pointing out that its very logical.
2.) Has nothing to do with JamesRage, it has to do with his stance. He has the stance that abortion is ok under certain circumstances so there are factually people that call themselves pro-life that would say he isnt and thats my point. There are definitions that would say he is not. BUT you, him, me, none of us get to decide that. Just like I cant tell you that you are not christian and vice versa. It simply, factually doesnt work that way
also do you never vote? lol
I've never quite understood this idea. Genuinely.
If you are "personally pro-life," but support legal access to abortion, you are pro-choice. You have made YOUR choice, and that is what it's all about. "Pro," and "choice."
Being pro-choice does not mean you must abort, or be personally willing to abort.
1.)Then, as Paschendale (I think) said, that person is pro-choice and just claiming what their choice would be.
2.)I suppose you and that Christian also feel I would be wrong in trying to enforce my Christian values of not stealing of committing murder or child abuse on others. Before you say those are different, they're just different to you, not to me.
3.) I know. I'm free to disagree with you but if I do, I'm a conspiricy nut.
4.)Not in weighted polls, no.
That's rich considering you register no objection when those on your side call us "anti choice", "pro-rape" etc. Lol.1.) I agree you could say that bet we still dont get to pick their label for them, they do
I know and I disagree with some laws as crazy as I'm sure you think that makes me. You completely missed my point. My bad, I thought you wanted me to explain my point of view.2.) nope i wouldnt say you are wrong UNLESS that was your sole motive.
We as chrisitians have no claim or ownership to those laws, just cause they happen to line up doesnt make them solely christian, thats silly, many other religions have those same laws.
ANd whether or not you view them as different they are factually different when it comes to legality and rights (legal, human and civil)
Have you ever acknowledged logic in something you disagreed with, because with me, you just call me a conspiricy theorist. /shrug3.) no conspiracy just saying the bases for the reasoning is completely logical
I think you're more interested in advancing your own opinions than hearing others.4.) whats "weighted" about it?
1.)That's rich considering you register no objection when those on your side call us "anti choice", "pro-rape" etc. Lol.
2.)I know and I disagree with some laws as crazy as I'm sure you think that makes me.
3.)You completelg missed my point. My bad, I thought you wanted my to explain my point of view.
4.) Have you ever acknowledged logic in something you disagreed with
5.) because with me, you just call me a conspiricy theorist. /shrug
6.) I think you're more interested in advancing your own opinions than hearing others.
7.) And J, if you're just going to dismiss my views as "silly" or "conspiricy theorist" I'll stop wasting your time and mine.
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