Private payrolls declined in September by 32,000 in key ADP report coming amid shutdown data blackout

[Ahlevah]

The bolded is false.

It's an off-topic attempt at obfuscating the job losses caused by Trump abetted by the Republican Party.

With midterm elections next year, I can understand why Democrats don’t want to publicize it, but It’s not false. Democrats believe in funding comprehensive medical care for illegal aliens:

As of September 2025, 14 states plus D.C. provide fully state-funded coverage for income-eligible children regardless of immigration status, seven states plus D.C. provide fully state-funded coverage to some income-eligible adults regardless of status, and most states have taken up options in Medicaid and CHIP to expand coverage to lawfully present immigrant children and pregnant women.

State Health Coverage for Immigrants and Implications for Health Coverage and Care | KFF

Noncitizen immigrants, particularly those who are undocumented, face significant barriers to accessing health coverage and care and are significantly more likely than citizens to be uninsured. Some states have taken up options in Medicaid and the Children’s Health Insurance Program (CHIP) to...

www.kff.org

Then throw in the millions of Joe’s “legal” asylum seekers and we’ve got a real budgetary problem on our hands.

 

[j brown's body]

It’s not false. Democrats believe in funding medical care for illegal aliens:

State Health Coverage for Immigrants and Implications for Health Coverage and Care | KFF

Noncitizen immigrants, particularly those who are undocumented, face significant barriers to accessing health coverage and care and are significantly more likely than citizens to be uninsured. Some states have taken up options in Medicaid and the Children’s Health Insurance Program (CHIP) to...

www.kff.org

Then throw in the millions of Joe’s “legal” asylum seekers and we’ve got a real budgetary problem on our hands.

I understand its cheaper for the taxpayer because it has lower long-term costs compared to uncompensated emergency care.

 

[uptower]

Donald Trump ripped for tone deaf gold video: ‘Americans can’t afford groceries or housing’

The president's video might not have had the result he thought it would.

www.silive.com

 

[Kyrion]

With midterm elections next year, I can understand why Democrats don’t want to publicize it, but It’s not false. Democrats believe in funding comprehensive medical care for illegal aliens:

All of which is funny since we are going to be in a deep recession by this time next year. Nobody is going to care about your immigration fearmongering.

Then throw in the millions of Joe’s “legal” asylum seekers and we’ve got a real budgetary problem on our hands.

Why is legal in scare quotes? Asylum is established federal law.

 

[Ahlevah]

Which means you are blaming the government for the actions of capitalists. They don't have to price gouge. Nobody is forcing them.

I’m blaming Democrats for thinking they’re smarter than the market and common sense. Handing people more money doesn’t make goods or services cheaper, because it increases demand without adding to supply. If you want to reduce cost, increase the supply. Do that by reducing the tax and regulatory burden on the people and companies providing the goods and services.

This is a really freaky and weird argument that conservatives constantly make, where they assign no agency to rich white men.

Why do leftists like you always have to make everything about race and “privilege”?

 

[Chomsky]

With midterm elections next year, I can understand why Democrats don’t want to publicize it, but It’s not false. Democrats believe in funding comprehensive medical care for illegal aliens:

State Health Coverage for Immigrants and Implications for Health Coverage and Care | KFF

Noncitizen immigrants, particularly those who are undocumented, face significant barriers to accessing health coverage and care and are significantly more likely than citizens to be uninsured. Some states have taken up options in Medicaid and the Children’s Health Insurance Program (CHIP) to...

www.kff.org

Then throw in the millions of Joe’s “legal” asylum seekers and we’ve got a real budgetary problem on our hands.

I can't speak to what some individual states may or may not propose to do.

But it is a false narrative in terms of the current federal budget impasse'.

Here:

(Newsweek) Fact Check: Are Dems Shutting Government Over Illegal Immigrant Healthcare?

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But even worse, it is a Red Herring attempt to draw attention away to Trump's crashing the previously unheralded job market.

 

[Kyrion]

I’m blaming Democrats for thinking they’re smarter than the market and common sense.

Which means you are blaming the government for the actions of capitalists. Democrats are not raising prices and gouging. Capitalists are.

You are aware of how weird you are behaving right now, right? Your refusal to correctly assign agency to capitalists is creepy. You know that, right?

Handing people more money doesn’t make goods or services cheaper, because it increases demand without adding to supply. If you want to reduce cost, increase the supply. Do that by reducing the tax and regulatory burden on the people and companies providing the goods and services.

This is cute because you think prices are actually controlled this way. Very naïve and silly. We had capitalists say out loud that they were going to raise prices before tariffs hit and were going to raise prices even in the absence of tariffs.

Supply has little to do with prices anymore in America. Any and all economists would agree with me on this.

 

[ataraxia]

It's not so much jobs. It's sales, revenue and profits. Those numbers are solid. Employment needs to carefully grow into areas that have real sustainable jobs. None of Biden's pretend and make up fake jobs tied to DEI hires or budget busting massive stimulus packages. We're still paying for that. This is all about short term pain for long term gain.

"Golden age starts NOW."
-Donald Trump in Jan 2026

But now you're telling us we still have to wait to see it? K.

 

[Ahlevah]

Which means you are blaming the government for the actions of capitalists. Democrats are not raising prices and gouging. Capitalists are.

Medical care was a lot cheaper before government started subsidizing it. That was back when doctors still made house calls.

You are aware of how weird you are behaving right now, right? Your refusal to correctly assign agency to capitalists is creepy. You know that, right?

What’s creepy is you saying I’m creepy for reprising basic economics.

This is cute because you think prices are actually controlled this way. Very naïve and silly. We had capitalists say out loud that they were going to raise prices before tariffs hit and were going to raise prices even in the absence of tariffs.

I don’t claim to be an economic genius, but I’m intelligent enough to realize that policies designed to increase demand while reducing or failing to address supply won’t lower prices.

Supply has little to do with prices anymore in America. Any and all economists would agree with me on this.

Huh? Since when? I guess you’ve never tried to score Taylor Swift or Super Bowl tickets.

 

[Greenbeard]

Yeup. It literally means that the republicans are responsible. The House can go into session whenever it wants. You're making excuses for laziness.

If they do that, they'll have to swear in Adelita Grijalva, starting a chain of events that leads to a vote on releasing the Epstein files.

‘Swear Her in!’ Republican Frantically Adjourns House to Avoid Swearing in New Member to Duck Epstein Files Vote

Republicans swiftly adjourned the House session Tuesday as Democrats shouted for a newly-elected Democratic member to be sworn in.

www.yahoo.com

Expect their vacation to continue for a while.

 

[Kyrion]

Medical care was a lot cheaper before government started subsidizing it. That was back when doctors still made house calls.

Other way around. For profit healthcare is more expensive and inefficient by design. You have to factor in a profit margin that otherwise would be going to patients.

What’s creepy is you saying I’m creepy for reprising basic economics.

See? Creepy. You won't assign blame to capitalists for raising prices. The people whom are directly doing the price raising and benefitting from it. Very creepy of you to keep doing that.

I don’t claim to be an economic genius, but I’m intelligent enough to realize that policies designed to increase demand while reducing or failing to address supply won’t lower prices.

Again, very silly and naïve to think that this is how pricing works in America.

Huh? Since when? I guess you’ve never tried to score Taylor Swift or Super Bowl tickets.

For example, gas prices are not real. They are subsidized heavily by the government to keep them artificially low.

 

[jmotivator]

It's obvious you didn't think this through . . .

Elaborate.

 

[SavannahMann]

Medical care was a lot cheaper before government started subsidizing it. That was back when doctors still made house calls.



What’s creepy is you saying I’m creepy for reprising basic economics.



I don’t claim to be an economic genius, but I’m intelligent enough to realize that policies designed to increase demand while reducing or failing to address supply won’t lower prices.



Huh? Since when? I guess you’ve never tried to score Taylor Swift or Super Bowl tickets.

Actually the big thing that increased cost and decreased care was moving insurance from not for profit to for profit.

 

[jmotivator]

Or perhaps small companies who can't absorb tariff costs.

You'd need to show something more than the 50,000 ft. view to show that that's what's happening.

You can't complain about the impact of new H1-B policy and new crackdowns on unskilled labor and then on the other hand claim that it has no impact on the job market.

The labor market growth of the last several years has come in large part from non-native employment, who have had a net growth in employment nearly 500% greater than native born workers. It's just logical that policy that makes it harder to hire foreign workers will have a net impact on the market, with fewer H1-Bs on the high end of the market, and a decline in unskilled labor on the low end.



The losses are happening largely in the job markets that would be impacted by the new immigration policies and the massive decline in the influx of illegal labor.

The last BLS report was the first in a while where I saw a net growth in native born jobs and a net loss in non-native employment.

As I said back then, don't be surprised if the majority of the US voters aren't the ones feeling the pinch.

 

[Airyaman]

You'd need to show something more than the 50,000 ft. view to show that that's what's happening.

You can't complain about the impact of new H1-B policy and new crackdowns on unskilled labor and then on the other hand claim that it has no impact on the job market.

The labor market growth of the last 10 years or so has come largely from non-citizens, who have had a net growth in employment, versus US citizens who had a net decline. It's just logical that policy that makes it harder to hire foreign workers will have a net impact on the market, with fewer H1-Bs on the high end of the market, and a decline in unskilled labor on the low end.

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The losses are happening largely in the job markets that would be impacted by the new immigration policies and the massive decline in the influx of illegal labor.

The last BLS report was the first in a while where I saw a net growth in native born jobs and a net loss in non-native employment.

As I said back then, don't be surprised if the majority of the US voters aren't the ones feeling the pinch.

If you believe so...

Americans hit record low confidence in finding new jobs since tracking began in 2013

Data from the New York Federal Reserve showed Americans' confidence in finding new jobs hit a record low of 44.9% in August, the lowest since tracking began in 2013.

www.foxbusiness.com

 

[Kyrion]

The losses are happening largely in the job markets that would be impacted by the new immigration policies and the massive decline in the influx of illegal labor.

This is a massive lie by all of the evidence of Trump aggressively avoiding targeting companies that hire illegal labor. He's instead targeting cities instead of farms and factories.

 

[jmotivator]

This is a massive lie by all of the evidence of Trump aggressively avoiding targeting companies that hire illegal labor.

It's the truth. It's typical left wing propaganda on your part and it's clear because your argument changes depending on which lying narrative you are trying to sell.

Non-native born employment is in decline and native born employment is increasing, as of August, anyway.

Between February 2025 and August 2025 we saw a decline in non-Native employment of 957,000. In that same time native-born employment increased by 1.9 million.

Feel free to check the numbers:

August Employment Report:



Versus the February 2025 report:



We've seen a precipitous drop in non-Native employment starting around the May Jobs report.

He's instead targeting cities instead of farms and factories.

Are you saying that there are no illegal laborers in cities?

I mean.. are you saying that no factory jobs are in cities?

H1-B employees are almost entirely "city jobs", not rural or factory.

We aren't even talking about Farm payrolls, which I am also told are being hit by immigration policies.

 

[exoplanet]

It's not so much jobs. It's sales, revenue and profits. Those numbers are solid. Employment needs to carefully grow into areas that have real sustainable jobs. None of Biden's pretend and make up fake jobs tied to DEI hires or budget busting massive stimulus packages. We're still paying for that. This is all about short term pain for long term gain.

Yeah, we all remember how Trump campaigned on economic pain and long term thinking. This was always the plan and we've always been at war with Eastasia.

 

[Greenbeard]

We've seen a precipitous drop in non-Native employment starting around the May Jobs report.

Wow!

 

[Kyrion]

It's the truth. It's typical left wing propaganda on your part and it's clear because your argument changes depending on which lying narrative you are trying to sell.

See? You lied, as evidence by how you couldn't be bothered to cite a single concentrated effort by Trump to target farms and factories for their use of illegal labor. You didn't even try.

Good job!

 

[ScrambledEggs]

The guy who bankrupted a casino is turning the economy around!

 

[ttwtt78640]

See? You lied, as evidence by how you couldn't be bothered to cite a single concentrated effort by Trump to target farms and factories for their use of illegal labor. You didn't even try.

Good job!

Hmm…

ICE, CBP Arrest at Least 361 Illegal Aliens During Marijuana Grow Site Operation, Rescue at Least 14 Children | Homeland Security

DHS released the following update regarding U.S. Immigration Customs Enforcement (ICE) and U.S. Customs and Border Protection (CBP) operation at two marijuana grow sites in California.

www.dhs.gov

Worries Mount as ICE Raids Ramp Up On Dairy Farms

Recently, Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) has intensified operations, with a spotlight on farms West.

www.dairyherd.com

https://thebrooksinstitute.org/animal-law-digest/us/issue-298/ice-agents-conduct-immigration-raids-dairy-farms-meatpacking-plants

 

[jmotivator]

See? You lied, as evidence by how you couldn't be bothered to cite a single concentrated effort by Trump to target farms and factories for their use of illegal labor. You didn't even try.

Good job!

Where did I claim he did? Nice straw man.

 

[Kyrion]

Hmm…

ICE, CBP Arrest at Least 361 Illegal Aliens During Marijuana Grow Site Operation, Rescue at Least 14 Children | Homeland Security

DHS released the following update regarding U.S. Immigration Customs Enforcement (ICE) and U.S. Customs and Border Protection (CBP) operation at two marijuana grow sites in California.

www.dhs.gov

Worries Mount as ICE Raids Ramp Up On Dairy Farms

Recently, Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) has intensified operations, with a spotlight on farms West.

www.dairyherd.com

https://thebrooksinstitute.org/animal-law-digest/us/issue-298/ice-agents-conduct-immigration-raids-dairy-farms-meatpacking-plants

See? No examples. Good job admitting that you lied again.

The part here that you are missing, because you cannot keep up with me, is that a concentrated effort to target farms and factories for hiring illegal labor would be arresting the capitalists that hired said illegal labor. Trump isn't doing this because immigration is just a means to scare and distract you into supporting an authoritarian takeover of America.

 

[Kyrion]

Where did I claim he did? Nice straw man.

The losses are happening largely in the job markets that would be impacted by the new immigration policies and the massive decline in the influx of illegal labor.

This is again, a lie. Trump isn't targeting illegal labor because he isn't targeting farms and factories that hire illegal labor.

Caught up?