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Private businesses should legally be allowed to deny service to anybody they want for any reason.

Paradoxical said:
Because "we have roads"? What couldn't you make claim to based on your reasoning is the more important question?

Everyone understands and agrees we have and need laws. That isn't the issue. You have this weird idea that roads imposes whatever a leftist wants on companies. There is NOTHING you could not assert using "We have roads" argument
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I keep telling you that isn't my argument and you keep insisting it is. The existence of roads leading to your business proves the lie that your business operates independently of government and society and thus has no responsibility to them.

I have the completely rational belief that society can impose whatever laws it wants because it can. That doesn't have anything to do with roads but force. You individually have no power against society. If you want to convince people discrimination is good and sway them to your cause go ahead and make the case but rather than do that you're here crying about how you're the lefts bitch.
 
cpwill said:
No it isn't. Any more than adultery or lying are :)
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Enough people feel it is, hence the law.

Adultery and most lying are private matters, dealt with privately, if harm can be shown to happen. In few cases, lying is also against the law though, again in those cases where society has deemed such lying to be something which should be dealt with, can cause more harm than most lying does.

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dex4974 said:
Forcing a private business owner to conduct business they don't want to conduct is not protecting freedoms; it's the opposite. Nobody should have a right to do business with me. Nobody should be able to sue me for refusing to do business.
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BS. If you open a business that serves the public, then you serve all the public.
 
dex4974 said:
Another bar would open to fill the demand not being met.
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Not necessarily. There are in fact some states, counties that only allow for so many liquor licenses for that county. This could be only a few in fact or they can be almost all bought just to prevent most establishments from existing (it is an attempt to make a county dry without actually putting into legal code that it is). So someone may not be able to gain a liquor license to open that bar to serve customers current owners arent willing to serve.

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CaughtInThe said:
and people haven't even thought of the reverse yet.

their white daughter traveling home late at night, needs gas, comes to the only gas station in an almost all black town. they won't serve her.
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Comes to the gas station of a highly religious Muslim who refuses to serve women not accompanied by a man.

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Irredentist said:
Adultery and lying aren't wrong or bad for society. Neither is pornography or homosexuality. If that is your God's idea of justice then that it is definitely not perfect. However, I can agree with you about the Patriots and auto salesmen.
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I dont understand why you keep writing that. Almost everyone agrees that adultery, lying, cheating people is wrong. They are not usually illegal today but that doenst make them right. Perhaps your point is that everything that is wrong isnt illegal? (that would be my point) And yes, those things do damage society IMO.

Otherwise I have been pretty much agreeing with your posts on this issue.
 
roguenuke said:
No one who has interactions with the public has such a freedom.

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Actually they do. Its just not enforced often.
 
roguenuke said:
As did the taxes of those they would like to deny service to.

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It's ALL about the left trying to control and hassle others. We don't like it, We want you to MYOB. you always have a pet project and when you get that you want another, and another, There would never be enough regulations and hassling and surveillance and control for your group. You like big government and control of the masses. Only the strong oppose you. The meek knuckle under your incessant demands.
 
Master Debator said:
I keep telling you that isn't my argument and you keep insisting it is. The existence of roads leading to your business proves the lie that your business operates independently of government and society and thus has no responsibility to them.

I have the completely rational belief that society can impose whatever laws it wants because it can. That doesn't have anything to do with roads but force. You individually have no power against society. If you want to convince people discrimination is good and sway them to your cause go ahead and make the case but rather than do that you're here crying about how you're the lefts bitch.
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The way we do it is to keep people with YOUR beliefs out of power.
 
Paradoxical said:
It's ALL about the left trying to control and hassle others. We don't like it, We want you to MYOB. you always have a pet project and when you get that you want another, and another, There would never be enough regulations and hassling and surveillance and control for your group. You like big government and control of the masses. Only the strong oppose you. The meek knuckle under your incessant demands.
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You are calling the left hasslers and regulation supporters?

You actually support what you claim to be hassling

A few of your wrotes below:

you're new here based on only 20 posts. Better get used to it. If you are going to post to or about my posts, I expect facts; not opinions and claims. Any links need t contain facts and not the..

Above you are involved in a forum with freedom of speech, and you are pushing your rules on another poster

Go way. I'm tired of this nonsense now. Not fun anymore

Go away, sounds harrassing

I agree. Those on the left appear to be intentionally stupid, lending an entire new definition to stupid. Some people are just naturally stupid but it seems many here practice at it and have mastered

Again above, calling people stupid is very harrassing
 
PirateMk1 said:
Actually they do. Its just not enforced often.
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No they dont. You cant choose the police officer who may have to take your statement. You dont get to choose other jury members who may be serving with you. You dont get to choose a lot of those that you must interact with just due to the nature of their job, unless you choose not to interact with society at all.

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Paradoxical said:
It's ALL about the left trying to control and hassle others. We don't like it, We want you to MYOB. you always have a pet project and when you get that you want another, and another, There would never be enough regulations and hassling and surveillance and control for your group. You like big government and control of the masses. Only the strong oppose you. The meek knuckle under your incessant demands.
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This is no different than the right, and what they do.

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dex4974 said:
If some bakery owner wants to deny service to openly gay people, or if Cleetus the bar owner wants to deny service to people of color in his bar out in the sticks, that should be legally acceptable in my opinion. If somebody is willing to limit their own sales because they feel so strongly about not wanting to serve somebody, they should be allowed to deny their service. Somebody that invested in and built their own business should not be forced by the government to do business they don't want to do. If I want to turn down your money I should be legally allowed to do that for any stupid or illogical reason that I want. Nobody should have legal grounds to sue me because I refused to do business with them. It is ridiculous that it triggers national outrage and people get sued over not providing their private service to individuals.

Personally I wouldn't purchase services from a business like that and I would encourage others to do the same, but the government shouldn't be involved. It's all about not giving the government precedence to exert more control over the private sector. The government always has a good reason when it takes us an inch closer to their complete control of our lives and decisions.
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The issue is discrimination.

You are being myopic.

I'd agree with you if I did not understand the big picture.
 
dex4974 said:
You think the government should be able to force people to think the right way. I think that's dangerous.
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this thread has shown us all exactly what you think.
 
dex4974 said:
I would be amazed if Biden is able to defeat Trump.
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There is not a chance in hell that Biden will beat Trump. He has no charisma, no vision, no drive and has lost more marbles now than a child who had a bully snatch his bag that was full of them.
 
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