Lets use whole numbers here, 2 million people are incarcerated in America.
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Why can we not use this labor force as:
1. Soldiers on the frontline?
2. Farmers of the organic movement in controlled areas?
3. Voluntary Medical "Lab Mice"?
I asked if you were serious because I didn't know if you were serious. Sometimes people start threads out of fun rather than genuine debate :shrug:
Beyond what I wrote - I concern myself little with the penal codes and the lifestyles of our convicts. I see them mowing the freeway grass and cleaning up liter frequently and have no problem with that.
Well I apologize about the "seriously" remark then.
And you admittance to little concern for penal codes is my entire point. Americans dont care about what happens to the "bad guy" when he goes away, they dont care we pay millions for a 2 million person workforce to sit idly, therefore nothing gets done because nobody cares, nobody cares about running an efficient system because it doesnt effect them minus the dollar in taxes.... It all ties in together
1. Soldiers on the frontline?
2. Farmers of the organic movement in controlled areas?
3. Voluntary Medical "Lab Mice"?
Our military is composed of highly-trained professionals. They don't want and can't use a bunch of convicts.
Because if they're in prison rather than on death row, they're still citizens and they still have rights. Besides, medical conditions in prison make it so that prisoners don't make up an appropriate "control group" since there are so many communicable diseases.
1. Soldiers on the frontline?
2. Farmers of the organic movement in controlled areas?
3. Voluntary Medical "Lab Mice"?
It hardly makes more sense to have a perfectly intelligent human sitting in a "cage" for 5 years for a one-time mistake.
Thats an unreasonable & broad comment. I hardly find a "convict" who made one bad decision to get behind a wheel while drunk so much of a "convict" as to not be capable of becoming a highly trained convoy truck driver or cook. It hardly makes more sense to have a perfectly intelligent human sitting in a "cage" for 5 years for a one-time mistake.
In other words, as cannon fodder?
You're right, I suppose this is more of a, "We should have large scale farming prison installations where the manual labor comes from prisoners" comment than anything. An entire facility which is a Prison Farm. But yea, I see your point, whats my arguement if they are making license plates or farming....Prisoners are typically given work to do.
Well that still doesnt give "Avon" the right to test makeup on his skin. But I think a volunteer base should be available for testing.Since a prisoner's freedom has been taken from them, there is no such thing as "voluntary."
Then they shouldn't have been sentenced to five years in prison in the first place. Your problem here is with sentencing guidelines, not with what jobs prisoners are allowed to hold.
If someone's perfectly intelligent then WHY were they drunk-driving? If someone's perfectly intelligent then WHY the heck are they even IN jail. :shrug: There's far more to serving in the military than "I can shoot" and far more to going to jail than 'oops, my bad"
Not all good soliders do not have to make wise decisions in split seconds, some good soldiers are allowed days to mess up your finance and or paperwork, some are allowed days to mop the gymnasium. Not all soldiers are highly advanced super whiz and not all prisoners are cut-throat dirty pirates who'd kill for peanut butter crackers....In order to be a good soldier you have to maintain control of your thoughts, emotions and make wise decisions split-second.
If someone's making a habit of drunk driving then they're showing that they do not have control of their emotions and can't really make wise split second decisions. . . . and the reason why this would matter ot your example is that you don't get tossed in jail for 5 years for a once or twice offense such as driving while intoxicated - if you're in jail for DUI then you did far more than just scoot your kaboose to the local snatch n go for some skittles :shrug:
As anything, infantry yes, services yes, supply yes.... basically a program to allow them to serve the military instead of the prison system.
You're right, I suppose this is more of a, "We should have large scale farming prison installations where the manual labor comes from prisoners" comment than anything. An entire facility which is a Prison Farm. But yea, I see your point, whats my arguement if they are making license plates or farming....
Well that still doesnt give "Avon" the right to test makeup on his skin. But I think a volunteer base should be available for testing.
I think the number of servicemen and -women who would be eager to work alongside prisoner-soldiers would be precisely zero.
What, exactly, would be the goal achieved by large-scale farming operations worked by prisoners that aren't achieved for-profit by family-owned and industrial farms?
You seem to be missing my point, which is that it is not possible for a man or a woman to consent to anything when their freedoms have been stripped.
You have to have freedom in order to have the freedom to say no.
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