We probably won't see the facts because the only one, who knows what actually happened is dead. I don't think the cops ride chaperone in the paddy wagon with the prisoners.
Your claims are again biased bs.
Use of force does not indicate wrongdoing on the part of Police.
I've personally conducted research involving secondary confessions. I've written and presented research on secondary and false confessions. I've read hundreds of articles from academic, news, and government sources. I've assisted with the review of police reports evaluating eyewitness and secondary confession evidence for expert testimony presented at trial. I believe I am qualified to differentiate between a witness statement and the statement of a secondary informant (e.g., a snitch).
How would you know the police chief is telling the truth or merely cow towing to political correctness? There have been police chiefs, who have thrown their officers under the bus if it meant keeping their jobs. If these officers violated the code of conduct, why hasn't more evidence come out to that effect? It still seems like their actions are being kept under wraps.
:dohTo the bolded. The police chief confessed that officers VIOLATED DEPARTMENT CODE OF CONDUCT!!
No that would be you focusing on this as I never denied it what the Commissioner said.You're the one deficient of credibility.
Indeed . Since 1900 some 52 people have been killed by police in England. Thats less than half the number killed by US law enforcement in March 2015 alone (111). Even allowing for six fold the population disparity thats quite a statistic ! :shock:
For a " thoughtful leftist " you sure are coming off as uncaring and cold hearted.
I mean, why would you offer up such a superficial explanation without acknowledging the decades of poverty that these inner city areas have had to contend with ?
The riots started because of the decades of Democrat policies that have left inner city areas with a disproportionate amount of crime, poverty and dependence.
The riots started because a false narrative of " Police brutality " has been reinforced exponentially by Politicians, activist and idiots looking to capitalize on the destruction and violence that now occurs on a whim.
After " Hands up dont shoot " was proven to be a lie the Obama administration sent out a list of rules to the LEOs on how not to be a " racist ".
What about the people that now have to live in a burned out neighborhood ? What about the underlying issues that created such desperation, corruption and lawlessness ?
Alll ignored by the Obama administration and Eric Holde because to address it would mean acknowledging that their policies or policies that they support created this mess in the first place.
We probably won't see the facts because the only one, who knows what actually happened is dead. I don't think the cops ride chaperone in the paddy wagon with the prisoners.
Something is wrong with your thought process here.We'll this sure does.
At a news conference Friday at police headquarters, Commissioner Anthony W. Batts said that officers violated department policies while Gray was in their custody.
Baltimore police acknowledge mistakes in Freddie Gray's death - Baltimore Sun
Stop denying it and your own credibility.
Excon, me darlin', you're in the toilet bowl, just reach up and pull the chain.
I can't believe the lack of skepticism on this prisoner's sudden claim, especially considering said prisoner couldn't see what Gray was doing. I mean, does no one here find it reasonable to question this claim. It's especially questionable with the fact that this particular police force already has a past record of "unusual injuries" of other suspects—several of which resulted in a suspect's neck being severed and paralyzing him and another separate case where a plumber died from the paralysis done by a "rough ride" neck injury.
Freddie Gray not the first to come out of Baltimore police van with serious injuries - Baltimore Sun
It think it's pretty clear that this has passed the point of just being isolated "coincidences" when so many suspects have suffered from neck injuries that led to paralysis done by the same police force.
Your claims are again biased bs.
Use of force does not indicate wrongdoing on the part of Police.
I mean by the release of this testimony that the prisoner heard Gray banging against the van wall, the immediate assumption is that he managed to sever his own neck. This is particularly questionable when there is a definite record of spinal cord injuries done by this particular police force. I would argue that it's less likely that he severed his own neck in such an extraordinary way when there is a record like that that is publicly known.What do you mean asking whether or not people here question the prisoners testimony?????
I can't believe the lack of skepticism on this prisoner's sudden claim, especially considering said prisoner couldn't see what Gray was doing. I mean, does no one here find it reasonable to question this claim. It's especially questionable with the fact that this particular police force already has a past record of "unusual injuries" of other suspects—several of which resulted in a suspect's neck being severed and paralyzing him and another separate case where a plumber died from the paralysis done by a "rough ride" neck injury.
Freddie Gray not the first to come out of Baltimore police van with serious injuries - Baltimore Sun
It think it's pretty clear that this has passed the point of just being isolated "coincidences" when so many suspects have suffered from neck injuries that led to paralysis done by the same police force.
We haven't heard much from any experts, but I would like to know if it is even possible to gain enough momentum to break a person's neck in such a confined area.
I venture to say it is not.
I heard reported this morning that a prominent doctor stated that people with asthma are at a greater risk of having seizures.
He further stated, that a violent enough seizure can in fact break your own neck.
What if Gray was having a violent seizure in the back of the police van?
Anyway, so far this appears to be an anonymous source, and probably should be treated as such, but still, plausible at least.
The British advocacy group Inquest has looked at police incidents in England and Wales going back to 1990. By its count, there were 55 police shooting deaths between 1990 and the present. The group reports another 1,453 deaths that had some connection to contact with police. However, the causes range from someone dying of a drug overdose while at a police station, to car thieves killing themselves in a wreck, to suicide while in custody, to excessive use of force by officers.
There simply is no way to tease out the details. Comparing police shootings to the American data is the only reliable approach.
The only other country in the United Kingdom for which we found hard numbers was Northern Ireland. Between April 2008 and September 2014, roughly a six-year period, members of the Police Force of Northern Ireland discharged their weapons nine times. However, there is no data on whether any deaths resulted.
During the times of "The Troubles" from 1968 to about 2000 when separatists, generally Catholics, and unionists, generally Protestants, battled over whether Northern Ireland should break away or remain part of the United Kingdom, there were over 3,000 deaths. Some of those were at the hands of the police.
Again, you are welcome to present flawed data from advocacy groups anxious to manipulate data and present flawed information, but don't expect them to be taken as anything other than activist propaganda.
:doh No it doesn't.The bodycount of those your law enforcement kills relative to those of other developed nations surely does.
This argument is laughable as well as dumb.This is something you clearly do not want to acknowledge
Again; There may have been a reason for not doing so and not doing so does not automatically mean they are responsible for his injuries.
Again no.
GPS is not going to tell you if it was swerving or hitting every pot-hole and bump. We have witnesses for that.
Look, referring to the GPS is arguing nonsense. The route, time, and distance is already known.
As you were already informed, the time-lime is already online.
And we have a witness who states the driver did not speed, make sudden stops of "drive erratically".
Deputy Commissioner Kevin Davis also revealed for the first time that there was an additional stop made between the time Gray was placed in the transport van and when he arrived at the police department's Western District building.
A detainee who can not sit may just be a valid reason.
The witness did not say kicking and screaming all the way.
He said it sounded like he was “banging against the walls” of the vehicle and believed that he “was intentionally trying to injure himself".
Yes you did make an assumption.
"nothing can exonerate the actions of the police." is an assumption.
:doh
And nothing say they were the cause either.
So, we're still sorta in the thick of it here, nothing can exonerate the actions of the police.
What?so far this appears to be an anonymous source,
Fair enough, but it's foolish to not recognize that the poor are preyed upon because they don't have the resources to fight back. Not just by cops but by all manner of power and money hungry entities. Especially the police, justice, and penal systems we currently have. So it is about bad cops, in that those cops take their aggressions out on the impoverished because they know they can get away with it. But that same cop might be a true hero in another part of town servicing an upscale citizen. Add to that the aforementioned support system, that traps so many of the poor never be able to advance in anyway reasonable way.
:doh No it doesn't.
Do you or do you not understand that we have different laws that those other nations?
This argument is laughable as well as dumb.
One incidence means nothing to your overall claim.
Especially as that man was aggressively charging the and did not follow the Officers commands.
Link ?
How so ?
But that was a civil war ! Hardly comparable :roll:
Groups advocating what exactly ?
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