MaggieD
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Morning Maggie :2wave:
How did you come to these "conclusions"? As far as I know, we haven't seen the autopsy, or the any of the police investigation, so the only way anyone can come to any conclusion is through their own speculation about what they think happened....Remember Ferguson? The instant 'conclusion' was that Wilson shot Brown when his hands were in the air...Which led to the totally false "hands up, don't shoot'' meme, that was proven false....
If Freddie Grey's injuries were caused by police in the apprehension after his running, and resisting arrest, then yes the evidence will show that, and they are accountable, but if they happened in the van on the way to jail, then we must look at the transport driver, as he is the only one responsible for the custody of Grey at that point...
Criminalizing policing only serves to ensure that police will not do their jobs. Do we have "bad cops" in the system? Yes, and they should be weeded out, but to use such blanket accusation in demonizing police in general I don't think is correct. We need police doing their jobs in our communities, the alternative we saw last Monday night. Those weren't images that I think make most people feel safe.
BTW, Now that leaks from the report turned over yesterday to the States atty, seem to say that Grey died from head injuries sustained in the back of the van, and NOT from the arrest, and that is consistent with the report from the other prisoner being transported, that Grey sounded like he was trying to injure himself....I personally don't know, but I haven't made any conclusions yet either.
Hmm, that's still not working, is it? Are you really quoting yourself? How are you going about creating these replies? Just trying to help you post intelligibly. At the moment I can't tell what's a quote, from whom and what is your original content.Black communities are being destroyed, & it has nothing to do with " Hands up dont shoot " Police brutality is not a false narrative & how would you know anyway. Do you live there, are you black, have you gone into the heart of the matter. They are ignored by both parties, being forced out of their homes, so their land can be bought for pennies on the dollar. Police use their neighborhood like an ATM, & act like an occupying force.
Right Wing rhetoric double speak that ignores facts & what is really going on.
MLK: A riot is the language of the unheard
Shall I continue.
:doh
That is not a confession.
That is a statement that may or may not bear out.
No that would be you focusing on this as I never denied it what the Commissioner said.
But way not to recognize that in your convoluted and extremely biased attempt to cast aspersions.
Prisoner in van said Freddie Gray was ‘trying to injure himself,’ document says
BALTIMORE — A prisoner sharing a police transport van with Freddie Gray told investigators that he could hear Gray “banging against the walls” of the vehicle and believed that he “was intentionally trying to injure himself,” according to a police document obtained by The Washington Post.Prisoner in van said Freddie Gray was
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Maybe folks were to quick to blame police.
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Again, left wingers claim they represent the poor and disadvantaged, but in reality ignore the plight of people in the inner city continusly in favor for stupid false narratives and catch phrases that can fit on a bumper sticker.
" Hope and Change " has done what for the Black community ? They're disproportionately affected by the policies that have led to the worst " recovery " in our Nations History. Hateful is ignoring the fact unemployment is disproportionately higher for young Black males and most inner city areas like St Louis have been run by Democrats for years.
Absolutely agree that there are incidents of freak accidents. That does indeed happen from time to time. But...Summer, there are cases all the time of freak accidents that occur where people injure and kill themselves. I was watching a forensic files case where they were investigating how a man had died. They discovered that he had sliped on the tile floor, hit his head on a broom handle which caused a fracture and an open head would. Which he passed out from and eventually blead to death from while he was passed out. Things happen. It seems that this could be one of many things. Freak accident, maybe he was moving around in the van and he slipped or fell while the van was moving and hit his head. Or its possible he was trying to injure himself in order to stay in the hospital rather then stay in the jail until his trial. Its also possible that something may have occurred that we don't know about yet because we don't have all the evidence and there was some type of police brutality. Right now, we really don't know. But don't let that stop people from burning business, killing cops, destroying and stealing property and harassing innocent civilians.
No that would be you and anyone else that claims such nonsense.
Use of force does not indicate wrongdoing on the part of Police.
I mean by the release of this testimony that the prisoner heard Gray banging against the van wall, the immediate assumption is that he managed to sever his own neck. This is particularly questionable when there is a definite record of spinal cord injuries done by this particular police force. I would argue that it's less likely that he severed his own neck in such an extraordinary way when there is a record like that that is publicly known.
Hi, J-Mac. Good to see you!
If we all here on DP waited for "just the facts, ma'am," it wouldn't be half as fun. Ha! With the information I have right now, I'm jumping to conclusions, true enough. But something happened to this guy, and I don't believe for one NY minute that he did it to himself in an over-zealous attempt to show police brutality. What we do know is that he wasn't properly restrained in the van and that at least one unauthorized stop was made. At least two cops put him in the van, unrestrained. I doubt the driver of the van was the lone LEO in the transport. Could have been, I suppose.
This was a horrendous incident. Society needs to make sure there's no white-washing and that at the very least! LEO mistakes made here, if any, cost jobs. And if criminal intent is found? Prosecution. We simply can't give coppers carte blanche. We talk about paying the consequences for one's behavior all the time. They must be held accountable. If big IF it's appropriate.
Hmm, that's still not working, is it? Are you really quoting yourself? How are you going about creating these replies? Just trying to help you post intelligibly. At the moment I can't tell what's a quote, from whom and what is your original content.
Excon,
I'm just going to let your own video (post #222) debunk your weak attempt at a reply to my commentary (your post #221).
Mr. Allen (prisoner #2) who was picked up and transported to the police station with Mr. Gray made it very clear that:
1) He heard very little during the ride from Mr. Gray except 4-seconds of "little banging", but that the ride to the police station was quiet otherwise. This clearly would contradict the position you apparently stand behind:
Investigators = homicide detectives? Maybe.
Which brings me to...
2) He gave a completely different story to homicide detectives than what he told local police.
I'd be curious to know why Mr. Allen would tell homicide detectives one thing but local police something different (if anything at all since per the interview he didn't tell the police "nothin'".)
Furthermore, per the video news clip you provided, the autopsy concluded that there was "no evidence that Mr. Gray hit his head against anything on his own". (This does support Mr. Allen's account of what he told the reporter per the video you provided.) Moreover, per the autopsy Mr. Gray's neck injury was "akin to a injury suffered in a car accident. It needed that amount of force".
Something happened in the police van between the time Mr. Gray was picked up but prior to Mr. Allen being picked up . The question is what?
CBS News said:“I had two options today right, either come and talk to y’all and get my credibility straight with ya’ll and not get killed by these [expletive] or not tell a true story,” Allen added. “The only reason I’m doing this is because they put my name in a bad state.”
Stop your absurdity joko.
It was obtained during an investigation. Not as a self serving statement.
There presently is no known reason to disbelieve what he said. That is your problem for not recognizing that.
That's why you bring in the Maryland State Police to investigate and later the FBI as well.
So there is proof and the Baltimore Sun has documented all of this inept Democrat leadership. Now, that's rich.
Whatever bs you have to tell yourself to cling to your ignorance about the police and how they treat the poor.
So I see that the medical examiner has stated the injuries were caused when the police slammed him into the van (probably hitting that sharp corner j-motivator has been talking about) and that a head injury matches a bolt in the van!!!!!!!!!
I so want to agree with this. And yes, you are correct that police abuse happens to people from all walks of life, but it also seems to be happening disproportionately to blacks. I get media sensationalism and manipulation is involved to a point. But even in less mainstream sources I'm not seeing anywhere near the numbers of police abuse against whites, Asians, or even Hispanics, that I see against blacks. Part of me is thinking that if the police abuse were more equal that somebody somewhere would have made this claim AND publicized specific incidents as examples, but I just haven't seen it.It isn't about "the poor"
It isn't about "black".
It's about how police treat people.
Police abuse happens to rich people, it happens to middle class people, it happens to rural ranchers, it happens to white women, it happens all over the country, to all kinds of people, every day.
The problem isn't that the police hate poor black kids.
The problem is that police have been given far too much authority, for far too long, have assumed an us v. them mentality of "whatever it takes, as long as I go home to my family at night", have been inundated with military hardware and training because the idiots in America are afraid of "the terrorism", and have it in their heads that they're "sheepdogs" and "operators" rather than average Joes who get paid to wear a badge and serve the public.
Keep making this about poor black kids and you'll keep watching poor black kids die at the hands of police.
Make this about what it really is, and demonstrate for the changes that need to occur in police culture nationwide, and maybe we'll all get somewhere.
Thats so dishonest.
The medical examiner said nothing of the sort.
Its irresponsible rhetoric like that ( the police slammed into the van ) that perpetuates a false narrative of systemic racism in the Police force and leads to riots and outrage before the facts are known.
Thats so dishonest.
The medical examiner said nothing of the sort.
Its irresponsible rhetoric like that ( the police slammed into the van ) that perpetuates a false narrative of systemic racism in the Police force and leads to riots and outrage before the facts are known.
Quote me referring to this as racism. I'm criticising a documented pattern of abuse and corruption in the Baltimore police department. You should stop defending the filth.
Make this about what it really is, and demonstrate for the changes that need to occur in police culture nationwide, and maybe we'll all get somewhere.
Post the Medical examiners report and bold the part where the Medical examiner said the cops " slammed him into the van ".
Go ahead. Or where you just jumping to conclusions to justify your own personal prejudices against LEOs ?
You would think people would have learned after Ferguson not to jump to conclusions. You can see with your own eyes the damage and destruction that leads to, right ?
Post the Medical examiners report and bold the part where the Medical examiner said the cops " slammed him into the van ".
Go ahead. Or where you just jumping to conclusions to justify your own personal prejudices against LEOs ?
You would think people would have learned after Ferguson not to jump to conclusions. You can see with your own eyes the damage and destruction that leads to, right ?
I so want to agree with this. And yes, you are correct that police abuse happens to people from all walks of life, but it also seems to be happening disproportionately to blacks.
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