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[jallman]

***** BUT I am a Conservative . Just not the type certain Secularists and Hedonists are comfortable with.

No, you are not a conservative at all. Your views are so far from what a conservative would think of using government to infringe upon or deny the liberties of others...it's not even funny how deluded you are by calling yourself that.

 

[CaptainCourtesy]

****** No - in other words (you know the ones you won't say) you quietly realize that it might happen but don't give a damn. Maybe you think the Bastards (RC Church) deserve it and possibly you are beyond objectivity on this subject.

I have answered your question on two occasions. You have refused to acknowledge it because it destroys your argument.

 

[CaptainCourtesy]

****** It's not a Conspiracy - it's an eventualityand it will be tried somewhere because it's the nature of some of those seeing this topic as the Highest priority.

No, it's a conspiracy. And I've had enough of you polluting threads with it. Therefore...

Moderator's Warning:

Your position has been debunked and your questions have been answered, yet you refuse to acknowledge this nor present any valid evidence of your position. You are trolling. You may present a thread on this in the Conspiracy Theory Forum, but to do so elsewhere is trolling, and you will be thread banned if you continue.

 

[CaptainCourtesy]

Moderator's Warning:

Also, let's simmer down with the personal attacks.

 

[Zinc Route]

No, it's a conspiracy. And I've had enough of you polluting threads with it. Therefore...

Moderator's Warning:

Your position has been debunked and your questions have been answered, yet you refuse to acknowledge this nor present any valid evidence of your position. You are trolling. You may present a thread on this in the Conspiracy Theory Forum, but to do so elsewhere is trolling, and you will be thread banned if you continue.

****** YOU'VE had enough of it for a very Down to Earh reason. Lack of objectivity totally.

 

[Catz Part Deux]

***** BUT I am a Conservative . Just not the type certain Secularists and Hedonists are comfortable with.

I thought a core conservative value was minimizing government intrusions into people's personal lives?

I guess that only applies if the people in question aren't gay. Then the so-called "conservatives" turn into naughty little window peepers.

 

[jallman]

I thought a core conservative value was minimizing government intrusions into people's personal lives?

I guess that only applies if the people in question aren't gay. Then the so-called "conservatives" turn into naughty little window peepers.

That pretty much made my point. :2wave:

 

[Catz Part Deux]

That pretty much made my point. :2wave:

Well, great minds and all. ;-)

 

[Zinc Route]

***** It's amazing how Progressives(including those claiming to be Centerist) arte fully on the same page

**** Over at CW on a host of issues I argiued with numerous Conservatives over things like Guns, Rudy Giuliani, Mitt Romney, Sarah Palin and Ron Paul.

***** The old refrain of there being "Nothing Less Liberal than a Liberal " normally rings true.

 

[CaptainCourtesy]

***** It's amazing how Progressives(including those claiming to be Centerist) arte fully on the same page

**** Over at CW on a host of issues I argiued with numerous Conservatives over things like Guns, Rudy Giuliani, Mitt Romney, Sarah Palin and Ron Paul.

***** The old refrain of there being "Nothing Less Liberal than a Liberal " normally rings true.

See, here's the thing, Zinc Route. You don't act like a conservative. You act like an anti-liberal. You don't really stand for anything. You just stand AGAINST things. You are also so far right that anyone seems liberal to you.

 

[Zinc Route]

***** This is pathetically & blatently untrue and a God Damed Knee jerk response on your part. My main problem (possibly) is that I've been around now 63 years and I've seen various things both improve and deteriorate - seen how the Best of Intentions & the Best Laid plans go bad very quickly.

**** On that basis I don't beieve in Politicians Or those the most critical of them like the Conspiracy Nut Brigade on this forum.

***** On this Gay Rights/Gay Agenda/Gay Crusade/ Gay Obsession/Gay idiocy I rely on Past Human Nature and behavior to make assumptions and predictions as to what I believe might well occur if some fully have their way. I see others in Political Power caving into this BS out of Fear of Bloc Voting or even civil disorder.

***** Another poster on this thread brought up that proposed California legislation that I was truly unaware of. It clearly shows that MANY are concerned that Civil Same Sex Marriage will be the basis for attempts at coercing Religous bodies into line on this .Therefore it is not simply raising an alarm over non existing matters or worries.

**** CC - I believe is from the NorthEast - possibly not far from NYC - if there in 1989/90 he knows of the St.Patrick's protest and defilement by Militant Gays over a nonexistent issue. He might also know that the MSM and the Majority of other Gays did not begin to criticize that bunch over it.


****** Therefore assaults against Church's are not unknown and if empowered by the Legal precedent of Unitarians, Episcopals(some) or Reformed Judiasm Marry Geys - other denominations will be heavily pressured eventually - probably in Court.

****** Therefore Mr Impartial Moderator - I have not be debunked and your stridency on this matter is fairly obvious.

 

[FreshlyMinted]

I thought a core conservative value was minimizing government intrusions into people's personal lives?

I guess that only applies if the people in question aren't gay. Then the so-called "conservatives" turn into naughty little window peepers.

That's actually not true. Conservatism is about government dictation of social issues (gay marriage, abortion, death penalty) and freedom in economic issues whereas Liberalism is all about government dictation in economic issues and freedom in social issues.

Libertarianism and Anarchy (the radical form) are for maximal freedoms
political spectrum graphically
Another, more true to what I said representation

 

[Catz Part Deux]

***** It's amazing how Progressives(including those claiming to be Centerist) arte fully on the same page

As a conservative, I prefer to limit government intrusion into people's personal lives, including their families, their sex lives, their faith, etc. i'm surprised you don't, frankly.

 

[Catz Part Deux]

That's actually not true. Conservatism is about government dictation of social issues (gay marriage, abortion, death penalty) and freedom in economic issues whereas Liberalism is all about government dictation in economic issues and freedom in social issues.

Libertarianism and Anarchy (the radical form) are for maximal freedoms
political spectrum graphically
Another, more true to what I said representation

In the U.S., most conservatives believe in small government and less interference in individual's lives. Perhaps you can stick to the subject?

(Note that the entire right/bottom quadrant is made up of american conservatives?)

 

[Catz Part Deux]

You are also so far right that anyone seems liberal to you.

Even me, which is pretty fricken hilarious. And JALL. Jall's more conservative than me.

 

[FreshlyMinted]

In the U.S., most conservatives believe in small government and less interference in individual's lives. Perhaps you can stick to the subject?

I can stick to subject, but you are wrong in that notion and calling yourself a mainstream conservative while being for gay marriage is a contradiction... SO I guess I can't stick to subject? :doh

 

[Zinc Route]

I can stick to subject, but you are wrong in that notion and calling yourself a mainstream conservative while being for gay marriage is a contradiction... SO I guess I can't stick to subject? :doh

***** Just Remember those c. 1998/99 who saw no difficulty with Bill Clinton dropping his pants in the Oval Office in between Pizza Slices just as long as the Dow Jones was going strong.

 

[Catz Part Deux]

I can stick to subject, but you are wrong in that notion and calling yourself a mainstream conservative while being for gay marriage is a contradiction... SO I guess I can't stick to subject? :doh

I'm a conservative because I don't believe government belongs in those areas. That would make me a Reagan conservative, to be blunt.

 

[Catz Part Deux]

***** Just Remember those c. 1998/99 who saw no difficulty with Bill Clinton dropping his pants in the Oval Office in between Pizza Slices just as long as the Dow Jones was going strong.

Why, exactly, do you care who the president has sex with, unless it's you?

What matters about Clinton is that he lied under oath about it. That's why he should have been impeached.

 

[Winnb]

***** Just Remember those c. 1998/99 who saw no difficulty with Bill Clinton dropping his pants in the Oval Office in between Pizza Slices just as long as the Dow Jones was going strong.

If I thought the President getting a blowjob would make the market go up, I'd give the son-of-a-bitch one myself.

 

[Zinc Route]

If I thought the President getting a blowjob would make the market go up, I'd give the son-of-a-bitch one myself.

***** I wouldn't and even if I was Gay and thought him the Greatest thing on Earth - I wouldn't do it in that particular spot.

***** Now the litmus test - Tell me Why that spot is important to some???

 

[Winnb]

***** I wouldn't and even if I was Gay and thought him the Greatest thing on Earth - I wouldn't do it in that particular spot.

***** Now the litmus test - Tell me Why that spot is important to some???

The reason that "spot" was important is because it allowed the republicans to go bat-**** crazy and go after the President.

Meanwhile the country, with the cooperation of the President and a GOP congress, was being fairly well managed. Then we had the "spot" and all hell broke loose.

 

[Zinc Route]

The reason that "spot" was important is because it allowed the republicans to go bat-**** crazy and go after the President.

Meanwhile the country, with the cooperation of the President and a GOP congress, was being fairly well managed. Then we had the "spot" and all hell broke loose.

**** That's rather distorted History and one doesn't have to MAKE any case for ANY Republican to say so. The reason that spot is important because even though the Presidential office space has changed over many years it is where a lot of substantial events took place and that concept all by itself is lost on many with little actual History behind them or decadent Progressives who think Politics is just an extension of the Grammy's or Enteretainment tonight.

 

[jallman]

Even me, which is pretty fricken hilarious. And JALL. Jall's more conservative than me.

Not really. If it were a spectrum, I might fall a little more on the authoritative side of conservativism but we are pretty eye to eye on all the main points.

It just depends on the issue and specifics where we both tend to abandon idealogy. I usually abandon it in favor of a moral/ethical argument and you tend to abandon idealogy in favor of a liberty/freedoms argument.

 

[ScummyD]

***** Obviously it has been my contention throughout several threads to basically put forth the point that Many/most ??? Gays cannot emotionally seperate themselves from the Fringe Minority among the Homosexual population. Also that on this topic there is little attention diverted elsewhere and that a zenith like focus exists to judge most others even as to how they feel about Gay Related matters.

***** In the event of say some Real National Emergency or a Disater of epic proportions would most Gays/Bisexuals/TG types think fully beyond themselves in proportion to the rest of the population????? I have at times wondered this - and it's not "Grasping at Straws" to do so.


**** For example I have stated here that Gays getting Married in some City Hall or by some JP does not offend me as long as it is not focused on to delibretly rub the larger society the wrong way.

**** If for example anothe 9/11 occured tomorrow or a huge Earthquake hit the West Coast or a Katrina type crisis I would at that moment cease thinking about a few provacative deviants acting up anywhere AND would not even think for awhile about any seemingly mainstream Gay Couple getting wed.

***** Would the Hard Core SF Militant Gay Crowdc also in an emergency take at least some time out from their "struggles" solely for some National Good ???? OR do some consider the concept of a National Good as a repulsive leftover from an earlier disacriminatory way of thinking


***** This may be unfair - but some will delibretly be after the larger Mainstream culture no matter what and think only of some aditional deviancy.This is an uncomfortable reality that the best possibly on both sides will not face up to.

What I get from your post is the idea that some number of homosexuals view the world through the prism of their sexual orientation; that they see everything in daily life in terms of their homosexuality; that everything is filtered through that. Such that even when it's not in play or of no relevance they still pit themselves against the 'other(s)' despite supposedly wanting to do away with such delineations, categorizations and divisions in society.

I think perhaps that sort of thing exists for many other people who are not homosexual, but who feel marginalized or who are a minority whose perceived or real grievances against society have not been sufficiently redressed. For example, some black Americans routinely reference their existence in terms of the hue of their skin even when it is irrelevant to anything happening at the moment. They see everything in terms of their racial categorization whether such is reality or not. I think that goes far in explaining that showdown with the so-called professor Gates and the cop. Right from the get-go Gates' view of himself as the victim of the man oppressed colored guy lead him to act out the black v white role right from the start.