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Prince Harry says he won't sit out Iraq

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Prince Harry says he won't sit out Iraq - Yahoo! News

LONDON - He's a freckle-faced royal rascal who has led a life of privilege. But Britain's Prince Harry is also an army officer — and he could soon be heading to Iraq to face the reality of combat.

No matter that royal officials have said no decision about a deployment has been made, or that the Ministry of Defense has dismissed such reports as "entirely speculative." Newspapers are filling their pages about the security headache that a war zone assignment for Harry — who is third in line to the throne — could bring for the British army.

You gotta admire this kid. He could easily just say no and yet.....just wow.
 
Prince Harry says he won't sit out Iraq - Yahoo! News

You gotta admire this kid. He could easily just say no and yet.....just wow.

Now we get to see whether the British tabloids are sincere in their saying "We dont want harry to be in any danger." They can either let it go, let him do what he wants, and stop making a huge deal out of it, or continue to talk about it, publish where his battalion will most likely be deployed (which someone already did), and publish exactly how many troops he will have around them and how they will be stationed (which someone already did). If they don't watch it, they're going to continue making it easier for insurgents to attack/capture him.
 
The British tabloids are scum, I personally wouldn't wipe my arse with them. But R@NYU will be probably right, they will cover the hell out of Prince Harry's time in Iraq to the point of it being dangerous because of sales. All a terrorist has to to do is check their website. I guess its more shocking to you guys but we are used to it I guess.

Fair play to Prince Harry though.
 
Here is an angle on this that none of you are talking about. I hear anti's all the time saying that only the poor uneducated join the military to go to Iraq.

Fact: 85% of soldiers in the U.S. military come from family's that make between $75,000 and $200,000 a year.

How does this compare to British military?
 
Here is an angle on this that none of you are talking about. I hear anti's all the time saying that only the poor uneducated join the military to go to Iraq.

Fact: 85% of soldiers in the U.S. military come from family's that make between $75,000 and $200,000 a year.

How does this compare to British military?

Do you have a link for that "fact" outta interest? Surely if what you say is true, moast of those people would be able to afford college and therefore would go on to become officers? I don't know how the US military works, but I assume if you have college education you can become an officer.

Here its not really income that defines the military, but of course it is a factor. Since college in the UK is not soley for the rich (student loans and grants, plus college fees are about $4000 a year - which can be loaned), poor people can work hard and get University degrees and become officers. So its education that really defines our military most. I know a few working class people that have became officers and a middle class guy become a private.
 
That was prior to the war in Iraq. That has changed. Look at the chart that I posted. It comes from the study that I quoted. You should read the entire study.
No, it is from 2003 to 2005. I don't want to read the whole study, it is too much text. I see, that your diagram shows the shares of recruits from different years within the income groups, but it does not say something about, how big the share of these different income groups is in relation to the total number of recruits.
 
Your source doesn't show this. Actually it shows, that the share of recruits coming from families making more $75,000 seems to be about 2% and the majority comes from families making less than $50,000 a year.

http://www.heritage.org/Research/NationalSecurity/images/chart1_large.gif

Look at the source:

"Median household income was calculated by ZIP code tabulation area, according to Census 2000"

That's a useful methodology for determining demographics that are completely unrelated to fiscal matters, because ZIP codes do tend to offer some measure of confidence in that area. However, when dealing with a subject that necessarily has an impact on finances, ZIP codes are nearly useless because of the variance within each area. Unless you can control for this difference (which Heritage didn't do), such estimates are highly unreliable.
 
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This is from your study
The Department of Defense (DOD) does not track family income data for recruits, and there are no individual income data for enlistees. Military service is the first full-time job for most of them. We approx*imate each recruit’s household income by using the median household income of his or her hometown ZIP code.
In other words they're guessing based on zipcodes, but as any sensible person knows there can be a huge differnece in wage earnings in one zipcode.
And even if they came from higher level income families, once they're in the military, they'll still qualify for food stamps, if they're young, enlisted and have a family. You're not doing those of us who are fighting to get the wages of the military increased any favours by giving falsely skewed "studies".
Here its not really income that defines the military, but of course it is a factor. Since college in the UK is not soley for the rich (student loans and grants, plus college fees are about $4000 a year - which can be loaned), poor people can work hard and get University degrees and become officers. So its education that really defines our military most. I know a few working class people that have became officers and a middle class guy become a private.
It's the same here, students can qualify for ROTC scholarships. We do have a law though that says no soldier on a base can make more then the most senior soldier of the base. So rich kids with trust funds are exempt from military duty if they make more the the top CO.
I dont' see why this is a big deal, the royal family has traditionally sent off it's youth to fight. It's not anymore honourable then a youth from a poor background joining the military.
 
Do you have a link for that "fact" outta interest? Surely if what you say is true, moast of those people would be able to afford college and therefore would go on to become officers? I don't know how the US military works, but I assume if you have college education you can become an officer.

Here its not really income that defines the military, but of course it is a factor. Since college in the UK is not soley for the rich (student loans and grants, plus college fees are about $4000 a year - which can be loaned), poor people can work hard and get University degrees and become officers. So its education that really defines our military most. I know a few working class people that have became officers and a middle class guy become a private.

But the thing is, anyone can afford college here. The myth you hear about how all education in the US is so terribly expensive is just that - a myth. While education at a lot of schools is expensive (ridiculously f'ing expensive, see my off-topic thread for that), there are extremely low cost alternatives. To enter Officer Candidacy School for the Army, you just have to be over 19, meet the physical/mental requirements, and have a two year degree. You can get a two year degree for a grand total of $6000 (and probably lower, I just checked out the first community college I could think of).

So the idea that the high cost of education would be keeping low-income people from becoming officers doesn't really have much evidence to support it.
 
Look at your own source:

"Median household income was calculated by ZIP code tabulation area, according to Census 2000"

That's a useful methodology for determining demographics that are completely unrelated to fiscal matters, because ZIP codes do tend to offer some measure of confidence in that area. However, when dealing with a subject that necessarily has an impact on finances, ZIP codes are nearly useless because of the variance within each area. Unless you can control for this difference (which Heritage didn't do), such estimates are highly unreliable.
Yes, I notice this, however, they picked the ZIP code methodology and I think they had their reasons. It might be not the best methodology, but I have more problems to find the idea of hundreds of thousands of relative rich people living in areas with lower income and sending their children to the army very convincing.
 
Yes, I notice this, however, they picked the ZIP code methodology and I think they had their reasons. It might be not the best methodology, but I have more problems to find the idea of hundreds of thousands of relative rich people living in areas with lower income and sending their children to the army very convincing.

I dunno, you might be surprised. This is obviously anecdotal, and as a result useless in proving a wider trend, but I think it's worth mentioning.

In the town I grew up in, there was a pretty visible economic divide. It was a small village in a rural area, build completely around a "preftigous" tiny little liberal arts school. The town was part doctors, lawyers, professors, and administrators, and part engineers, mechanics, teachers, and service workers.

Of the poor families, the kids in my graduation class broke down as follows:

A small chunk left town to go to university
A big chunk stayed in town to go to one of the community colleges
A small chunk just went right into the workforce
One or two went into the military

Of the rich families, they broke down as follows:

A big chunk left town to go to university
A small chunk stayed to go to community college
A very small chunk went into the workforce
A decent sized handful/double handful went into the military, a few through enlisting, but a bunch by entering ROTC programs/military colleges.

So, take that for what it's worth, but I saw a surprising number of kids coming from very privileged backgrounds who wanted to prove themselves in the military (usually to the chagrin of their parents).

(And with that post, I'm off to class. :lol: )
 
Ok then, the study is not reliable. So why would someone in the middle class with or without a collage education join the military. Prince Harry didn't have to go to Iraq. He wanted to.

I am in the loop on this, being retired from the U.S. Army I have talked with many troops and I personally know soldiers that come from upper middle class family's. Some of them are currently officers with collage educations. They did not join the military because they needed anything. In my opinion these are the cream of the crop from today's generation. I am very proud of them. I am tired of people disrespecting them. ~ Sgt Rock
 
I dunno, you might be surprised. This is obviously anecdotal, and as a result useless in proving a wider trend, but I think it's worth mentioning.

In the town I grew up in, there was a pretty visible economic divide. It was a small village in a rural area, build completely around a "preftigous" tiny little liberal arts school. The town was part doctors, lawyers, professors, and administrators, and part engineers, mechanics, teachers, and service workers.

Of the poor families, the kids in my graduation class broke down as follows:

A small chunk left town to go to university
A big chunk stayed in town to go to one of the community colleges
A small chunk just went right into the workforce
One or two went into the military

Of the rich families, they broke down as follows:

A big chunk left town to go to university
A small chunk stayed to go to community college
A very small chunk went into the workforce
A decent sized handful/double handful went into the military, a few through enlisting, but a bunch by entering ROTC programs/military colleges.

So, take that for what it's worth, but I saw a surprising number of kids coming from very privileged backgrounds who wanted to prove themselves in the military (usually to the chagrin of their parents).

(And with that post, I'm off to class. :lol: )
This is an interesting overview. I could think of a lot of reasons for people to join the military which are not income related, coming from a military family or wanting to see the world or being interested in airplanes, ships or tanks, there are probably many more.
 
Ok then, the study is not reliable. So why would someone in the middle class with or without a collage education join the military. Prince Harry didn't have to go to Iraq. He wanted to.

I am in the loop on this, being retired from the U.S. Army I have talked with many troops and I personally know soldiers that come from upper middle class family's. Some of them are currently officers with college educations. They did not join the military because they needed anything. In my opinion these are the cream of the crop from today's generation. I am very proud of them. I am tired of people disrespecting them. ~ Sgt Rock
Fair enough, now that makes sense. I also know soldiers who came from upper middle class backgrounds as well as many who came from lower income backgrounds, I dont' think it matters either way or makes them a better soldier either way.

Prince Harry didn't have to go to Iraq. He wanted to.
I think he kind of had to, in this case, it's traditional for the next in line to go to war, Prince Andrew went to the Falklands, King George refused to leave London even with the Blitzkreig at his door. Harry would have a lot of bad press if he didnt' go. I hope as someone said before the tabloids show some restraint and follow the OPSEC guidelines.
 
Harry has a bad press, because of his abominable personality. He could have decided to not go to Iraq. If he goes, I don't want him to come back alive. Maybe it takes away some business from some drug dealers in London sad, but who cares.

Well I figured after he wore the German Nazi outfit during that party, you'd love this guy. Right up your alley.
 
Harry would have a lot of bad press if he didnt' go. I hope as someone said before the tabloids show some restraint and follow the OPSEC guidelines.
Harry has a bad press because of his abominable personality. He could have decided to not go to Iraq. If he goes, I don't want him to come back alive. Maybe it takes away some business from some drug dealers in London, I couldn't care less about them.
 
Harry has a bad press because of his abominable personality. He could have decided to not go to Iraq. If he goes, I don't want him to come back alive. Maybe it takes away some business from some drug dealers in London, I couldn't care less about them.


He makes a few bad decisions in his life and you want him dead?? WTF?
 
He makes a few bad decisions in his life and you want him dead?? WTF?
If he goes to Iraq, even if he does not have to, this is not simply a bad decision.

This would be much worse than a bad decision.
 
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