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Prince Harry says he won't sit out Iraq

But the thing is, anyone can afford college here. The myth you hear about how all education in the US is so terribly expensive is just that - a myth. While education at a lot of schools is expensive (ridiculously f'ing expensive, see my off-topic thread for that), there are extremely low cost alternatives. To enter Officer Candidacy School for the Army, you just have to be over 19, meet the physical/mental requirements, and have a two year degree. You can get a two year degree for a grand total of $6000 (and probably lower, I just checked out the first community college I could think of).

So the idea that the high cost of education would be keeping low-income people from becoming officers doesn't really have much evidence to support it.

Are you sure "everyone" can afford a high class education in the US? Isn't community college meant to be... you know.... crap? ~ no offense to anyone. So the high class education, the Yales, the Harvards, the Standfords, is for the rich elite, who buy their way into these universities. Please correct me if I'm wrong though.

What are the odds that an intelligent Latino girl from Queens whose family can barely keep their house going to an Ivy League School?
 
Are you sure "everyone" can afford a high class education in the US? Isn't community college meant to be... you know.... crap?

Not always. I mean, most community colleges aren't fantastic, but if you go there and work hard you can do anything. The community college in my town was so renowned for its incredibly hard engineering program that after 2 years there, my dad was able to transfer to Clarkson, a pretty good 4 year engineering university, and they gave him 2.5 years worth of credits because they said his community college was so tough.

And even aside from Community College, there's state schools and city schools that are very very cheap. Schools like the University of California system, or the SUNY/CUNY (State University of NY/City University of NY) system offer fantastic programs. CUNY advertises their schools all over the subways, and every single year they have 2 or 3 students whose pictures end up plastered all over because they went to CUNY and then were selected as Rhodes Scholars, Marshall/Truman Fellows, or got into Yale or Harvard Law Schools. Even just in my own very limited experience - there were twin brothers from my high school who I played soccer with. They grew up pretty poor, slacked off during HS and just generally didn't do that well. Both ended up attending SUNY schools that were okay, but not great. One of them busted his ***, got a 4.0, transferred to Cornell (an Ivy), and ended up getting a half ride to a top tier law school. The other one busted his ***, stayed at the SUNY, was selected as a Goldwater Scholar, and ended up getting a nearly full ride to a top 20 Med School.

So the high class education, the Yales, the Harvards, the Standfords, is for the rich elite, who buy their way into these universities. Please correct me if I'm wrong though.

It might have been like that 50 years ago, or even 20, but it honestly isn't anymore. The figures on diversity at the top schools are higher than they've ever been. Harvard, for example, waives all tuition, fees, and room/board if one of their students has a family income of below 40,000. Completely free to attend.

What are the odds that an intelligent Latino girl from Queens whose family can barely keep their house going to an Ivy League School?

Much better than you might think, and I actually can speak to this one with certainty. Last fall, a few other students and I hosted a college application panel for a group of about 25 kids from a charter school in Brooklyn. This was a school that was made up of almost 100% minority/low-income students, but who were very driven and had showed promise. They asked us tons of questions about applying to school, where to go, etc etc etc. At the end of the event, one of the latino girls who had been really quiet went up to the man who had organized the whole thing (a baller I-banker), and talked to him for a little while. After they finished, she seemed much happier and followed the other kids out of the room. He came over to us to tell us what she had said:

Apparently, this girl was the valedictorian of her class, was great at sports, and had killed the SAT's. She wanted to got to Harvard, but there was just one problem. She and her entire family were illegal immigrants. The guy was a first generation immigrant himself who had gone to Harvard, so he made some phone calls, explained the situation, talked to the people in admissions, and that girl is now Harvard University, Class of '11, on a full "Chancellor's Grant" that covers all of her tuition, so that she doesn't have to file forms for federal financial aid (which she can't).

Things like that happen all the time, and while I'm not going to be naive and pretend that the chances of a poor immigrant from the barrio getting into Yale are the same as the chances of Francis J. Pemberworth III, it's by no means impossible.

(Whew, long post, and probably way more than you wanted to know)
 
This must be the result of the inbreeding we here so much about. Does prince harry talk or does he just dribbel out the side of his mouth?
 
Here is an angle on this that none of you are talking about. I hear anti's all the time saying that only the poor uneducated join the military to go to Iraq.

Fact: 85% of soldiers in the U.S. military come from family's that make between $75,000 and $200,000 a year.

How does this compare to British military?

I myself am a British army officer and from my experience the officers tend to be middle class or upper middle class and the rank and file soldiers tend to be working class.
I myself though am working class.
 
Well I figured after he wore the German Nazi outfit during that party, you'd love this guy. Right up your alley.
Look, obviously you don't know much about me. So if I should invite you to a party, jeans and t-shirt will do it, a suit is fine with me, too, simply don't make to much fuss about it.

I don't think, I will ever invite you to a party, though.
 
Look, obviously you don't know much about me. So if I should invite you to a party, jeans and t-shirt will do it, a suit is fine with me, too, simply don't make to much fuss about it.

I don't think, I will ever invite you to a party, though.

Excuse me, I have a question for you. This party you are talking about. Would it happen to be the Nazi party and will you be inviting any jews to your party? Just curious. It is the impression I get from you. I could be wrong. I hope I am. You see, my family and I once lived in Nurnberg Germany from 1980 to 84. My Grandfather was born in Wurzburg. He had to leave Germany or face extermination.

When I lived in Germany as a soldier of the U.S. Army I remember that the Government had laws in place to prevent Nazi hate speech. Has this changed since I was there?

If my impression about you was wrong than please except my apology. ~ Sgt Rock
 
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This must be the result of the inbreeding we here so much about. Does prince harry talk or does he just dribbel out the side of his mouth?

What makes you say this?
 
Excuse me, I have a question for you. This party you are talking about. Would it happen to be the Nazi party and will you be inviting any jews to your party? Just curious.
We were talking about a party in the meaning of a celebration, I am not a member of a party in the meaning of a political organization. Jewish people are ok at a party, with some luck they even can play Klezmer music or know some humorous stories.

It is the impression I get from you. I could be wrong. I hope I am. You see, my family and I once lived in Nurnberg Germany from 1980 to 84. My Grandfather was born in Wurzburg. He had to leave Germany or face extermination.

When I lived in Germany as a soldier of the U.S. Army I remember that the Government had laws in place to prevent Nazi hate speech. Has this changed since I was there?
Section 130 of the Strafgesetzbuch forbids hate speech.
Volksverhetzung - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Nazi symbols, Nazi organizations and the Hitler salute are forbidden.
That's why these guys use other symbols now which look similar to the original ones, the organizations have different names and they use the Kuehnen salute instead of the Hitler salute.

If my impression about you was wrong than please except my apology. ~ Sgt Rock
This is ok, no problem.
 
We were talking about a party in the meaning of a celebration, I am not a member of a party in the meaning of a political organization. Jewish people are ok at a party, with some luck they even can play Klezmer music or know some humorous stories.

Section 130 of the Strafgesetzbuch forbids hate speech.
Volksverhetzung - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Nazi symbols, Nazi organizations and the Hitler salute are forbidden.
That's why these guys use other symbols now which look similar to the original ones, the organizations have different names and they use the Kuehnen salute instead of the Hitler salute.

This is ok, no problem.

Once again you have my apology. ~ Sgt Rock
 
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