President Trump can't stop U.S. coal plants from retiring

[JacksinPA]

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...p-u-s-coal-plants-from-retiring-idUSKCN1P80BY

(Reuters) - More U.S. coal-fired power plants were shut in President Donald Trump’s first two years than were retired in the whole of Barack Obama’s first term, despite the Republican’s efforts to prop up the industry to keep a campaign promise to coal-mining states.

In total, more than 23,400 megawatts (MW) of coal-fired generation were shut in 2017-2018 versus 14,900 MW in 2009-2012, according to data from Reuters and the U.S. Energy Information Administration (EIA).
===========================================
Trump had tried unsuccessfully as we see to help shore up the coal industries in states like KY & WY by loosening Obama-era environmental regulations but to no avail. Economics & pollution are factors that are increasingly making coal-fired electric power plants unsupportable.

 

[EMNofSeattle]

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...p-u-s-coal-plants-from-retiring-idUSKCN1P80BY

(Reuters) - More U.S. coal-fired power plants were shut in President Donald Trump’s first two years than were retired in the whole of Barack Obama’s first term, despite the Republican’s efforts to prop up the industry to keep a campaign promise to coal-mining states.

In total, more than 23,400 megawatts (MW) of coal-fired generation were shut in 2017-2018 versus 14,900 MW in 2009-2012, according to data from Reuters and the U.S. Energy Information Administration (EIA).
===========================================
Trump had tried unsuccessfully as we see to help shore up the coal industries in states like KY & WY by loosening Obama-era environmental regulations but to no avail. Economics & pollution are factors that are increasingly making coal-fired electric power plants unsupportable.

And? So what?

 

[Napoleon]

And? So what?

So one of the things that won Trump the election was his promise to necromance the coal industry vs. Hillary’s plan to phase it out with training so people still had jobs on the other side. Could cost him in 2020.

 

[MrPeanut]

And? So what?

When you deregulate dirty industries it just hurts workers and the people that live nearby. If deregulation doesn't actually save an industry, which was the idea with coal, it probably isn't worth the increase in black lung and polluted water sources that we get in return.

 

[EMNofSeattle]

So one of the things that won Trump the election was his promise to necromance the coal industry vs. Hillary’s plan to phase it out with training so people still had jobs on the other side. Could cost him in 2020.

Trump promised not to regulate the industry out of existence, he has kept this promise. Hillary was never going to deliver retraining, she had no intention of doing any such thing. And it’s not the government’s job to do that anyway


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

 

[Common Sense 1]

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...p-u-s-coal-plants-from-retiring-idUSKCN1P80BY

(Reuters) - More U.S. coal-fired power plants were shut in President Donald Trump’s first two years than were retired in the whole of Barack Obama’s first term, despite the Republican’s efforts to prop up the industry to keep a campaign promise to coal-mining states.

In total, more than 23,400 megawatts (MW) of coal-fired generation were shut in 2017-2018 versus 14,900 MW in 2009-2012, according to data from Reuters and the U.S. Energy Information Administration (EIA).
===========================================
Trump had tried unsuccessfully as we see to help shore up the coal industries in states like KY & WY by loosening Obama-era environmental regulations but to no avail. Economics & pollution are factors that are increasingly making coal-fired electric power plants unsupportable.

So what did Hillary says about coal mining and coal miners?

Hillary Clinton told a CNN town hall in Ohio that "We're going to put a lot of coal miners and coal companies out of business."

President Trump has worked to support coal mining and the men and women who work in the mines. Things would be far much worst if Hillary
had been elected president. She was going to destroy the industry and the lively hoods of so many.

 

[Common Sense 1]

So president Trump's support has helped....

Yes, mines are beginning to open up, including a new one in Pennsylvania.

In other words, the industry has rebounded slightly after years of layoffs and closures caused mainly by competition from cheap natural gas. And a handful of new mines in Wyoming, Alabama, Pennsylvania and West Virginia are either opening or slated to open in the next few years.

Trump's pro-coal policies certainly won't hurt the industry, but the broad trends pushing the industry down are likely to continue, experts say.


https://www.npr.org/2017/06/02/531255253/fact-check-is-president-trump-correct-that-coal-mines-are-opening

 

[Zalatix]

When you deregulate dirty industries it just hurts workers and the people that live nearby. If deregulation doesn't actually save an industry, which was the idea with coal, it probably isn't worth the increase in black lung and polluted water sources that we get in return.

Coal plants polluting water is a mainstream media lie. Stop believing those leftist commies. Alex Jones has the whole scoop on why mercury is good for us. /tongueincheek

 

[EMNofSeattle]

When you deregulate dirty industries it just hurts workers and the people that live nearby. If deregulation doesn't actually save an industry, which was the idea with coal, it probably isn't worth the increase in black lung and polluted water sources that we get in return.

No, when you deregulate any industry the workers and people who live nearby benefit. Your statement is false and clearly the result of not properly understanding economics.

If deregulation does save the industry (as it actually has in certain places) you still wouldn’t believe it’s worth some abstract concept of “polluted water” well actually you have no problem with polluted air and water at all as long as it’s overseas and comes from battery production



Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

 

[EMNofSeattle]

Coal plants polluting water is a mainstream media lie. Stop believing those leftist commies. Alex Jones has the whole scoop on why mercury is good for us. /tongueincheek

The electricity provided by coal
Is infinitely more valuable then pure water on a dollar basis


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

 

[jnug]

Trump promised not to regulate the industry out of existence, he has kept this promise. Hillary was never going to deliver retraining, she had no intention of doing any such thing. And it’s not the government’s job to do that anyway


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Then again, lets face it, just based on your political leanings you would not find ANY role for government outside of National Defense. Heck I am having a hard time convincing myself that Libertarians support even the least of what we would expect from our national government.

So lets have more of Betsy the crook Devos and her efforts to defund public education in favor of her system of private education that has not proven better and is often worse.

 

[Zalatix]

The electricity provided by coal
Is infinitely more valuable then pure water on a dollar basis


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

You've never drank contaminated water, have you? Of course not, you're still alive.

 

[EMNofSeattle]

You've never drank contaminated water, have you? Of course not, you're still alive.

Of course not, i have a well and not a socialist public water system run by liberal democrats (a la Flint) and thus my water is clean


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

 

[southwest88]

Red zoning with a vengeance

Of course not, i have a well and not a socialist public water system run by liberal democrats (a la Flint) and thus my water is clean

Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Just FYI, the Flint water system was seriously compromised under a GOP-governor-appointed CEO for the city, whose mandate was to cut costs. See

What the eyes don't see : a story of crisis, resistance, and hope in an American city / Mona Hanna-Attisha, ©2018, One World, 615.9 HANN.

Subjects
• Hanna-Attisha, Mona.
• Lead poisoning -- Michigan -- Flint.
• Drinking water -- Lead content -- Michigan -- Flint.
• Water quality management -- Michigan -- Flint.
...

Paced like a scientific thriller, this book shows how misguided austerity policies, the withdrawal of democratic government, and callous bureaucratic indifference placed an entire city at risk. And at the center of the story is Dr. Mona herself--an immigrant, doctor, scientist, and mother whose family's activist roots inspired her pursuit of justice. What the Eyes Don't See is a riveting, beautifully rendered account of a shameful disaster that became a tale of hope, the story of a city on the ropes that came together to fight for justice, self-determination, and the right to build a better world for their--and all of our--children."--Dust jacket.
...
A health/medicine/political thriller. & ultimately – in this case - a hopeful story. Except that Flint’s water infrastructure problems are likely replicated across the US – we’ve neglected our infrastructure shamefully, & the consequences are playing out everywhere.

The poisoned city : Flint's water and the American urban tragedy / Anna (Leigh) Clark, c2018, Metropolitan Books, 363.61 CLAR.

 

[Zalatix]

Of course not, i have a well and not a socialist public water system run by liberal democrats (a la Flint) and thus my water is clean


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Until that coal factory mercury leaches into it.

 

[trouble13]

So one of the things that won Trump the election was his promise to necromance the coal industry vs. Hillary’s plan to phase it out with training so people still had jobs on the other side. Could cost him in 2020.

Its telling that it's not the fact that the energy sector is naturally phasing put coal energy without artificial deterrents that your celebrating.

Your priority is to spin it as a broken promise by Trump. One that you hope damages his chances for reelection.

Sent from my SM-G965U using Tapatalk

 

[MrPeanut]

No, when you deregulate any industry the workers and people who live nearby benefit. Your statement is false and clearly the result of not properly understanding economics.

If deregulation does save the industry (as it actually has in certain places) you still wouldn’t believe it’s worth some abstract concept of “polluted water” well actually you have no problem with polluted air and water at all as long as it’s overseas and comes from battery production



Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

I don't need to take a right wing economics course to understand what I can see with my own eyes. Do yourself a favor and drive around some mining towns.

 

[Deuce]

No, when you deregulate any industry the workers and people who live nearby benefit. Your statement is false and clearly the result of not properly understanding economics.

If deregulation does save the industry (as it actually has in certain places) you still wouldn’t believe it’s worth some abstract concept of “polluted water” well actually you have no problem with polluted air and water at all as long as it’s overseas and comes from battery production



Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

I really don’t think saving the oldest, dirtiest, ****tiest form of energy we have is worth poisoning children, no.

 

[Deuce]

The electricity provided by coal
Is infinitely more valuable then pure water on a dollar basis


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Go to Flint and drink the water, then.

 

[EMNofSeattle]

Go to Flint and drink the water, then.

I have no desire to drink water from a city that lied about their water plans


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

 

[EMNofSeattle]

I really don’t think saving the oldest, dirtiest, ****tiest form of energy we have is worth poisoning children, no.

It depends on cost. The benefits of electricity affordable to the public are so great that it would take an extreme level of pollution never seen before in mankind’s history to make it not worth it

When mankind lived on only organic locally grown fair trade commodities the life expectancy was the mid 40s

Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

 

[Deuce]

It depends on cost. The benefits of electricity affordable to the public are so great that it would take an extreme level of pollution never seen before in mankind’s history to make it not worth it

When mankind lived on only organic locally grown fair trade commodities the life expectancy was the mid 40s

Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

So you’re just gonna pretend that coal is the only affordable source of electricity. Alllllrighty chief, have at it