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UtahBill said:
Of the scammers and schemers I know personally, they tend to vote republican. They can't see THEIR actions as wrong, only the actions of others. Just within my own family I have 2 siblings who take undue advantage of funds that should be designated for the truly needy. In my SIL and DIL families, there are 5 bankruptcies in as many years, and they vote GOP.
OF course, they vote GOP because of issues like gun control, abortion, and gay marriage....
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Thats why I dont vote republican OR democrat. However, you are either intentionally dishonest or simply mistaken if you are implying that democrat politicians do not pander to the dependent class. I dont know you well enough to pick which.
 
VanceMack said:
Thats why I dont vote republican OR democrat. However, you are either intentionally dishonest or simply mistaken if you are implying that democrat politicians do not pander to the dependent class. I dont know you well enough to pick which.
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Is there a politician anywhere who doesn't pander to his base, and any other group who he thinks will help him get elected?
 
justabubba said:
he's your guy and here are his words. hope your side chokes on them:

so, please make the election a cake walk and run this crazy fellow
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yes, a little crazy can be a good thing, makes other world leaders show some caution.....
 
justabubba said:
he's your guy and here are his words. hope your side chokes on them:

so, please make the election a cake walk and run this crazy fellow
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Id vote for him over the morons with no principles dems put up any day. Your hero wont even call terrorists by name. Seriously...you want to play that game? Its a loser. Makes sense.
 
UtahBill said:
Is there a politician anywhere who doesn't pander to his base, and any other group who he thinks will help him get elected?
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You might note thats why I recommended someone from outside of politics...
 
VanceMack said:
Intelligent, articulate, driven, self motivated, courageous, successful...nah...he doesnt stand a chance. He challenges people to stand up, take control of their own lives, do for yourselves, and expect a government to promote not provide. Shockingly...many on the left will hate him.

Id vote for him.

Unfortunately too many pathetic crippled pets will see him as mean, oppressive, uncaring...in other words...he wont be their nanny and they will hates him!
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He sounds great to me - very charismatic and with some force behind him. Now, if he has the gumption of a Chris Christie to stand up and do the math and talk straight, he'd get my vote.
 
UtahBill said:
Is there a politician anywhere who doesn't pander to his base, and any other group who he thinks will help him get elected?
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i can think of these:
Kucinich
Feingold
Spratt

the last two were voted out of office when they refused to put a wet finger into the wind of constituency opinion
and Kucinich's district may be eliminated based on 2010 census data

that would appear to go to a conclusion that politicians get re-elected while statesmen do not

and that confirms the adage that we elect the politicians we deserve
 
Allen West seems like a man I'd want in charge if a loved one of mine was being threatened.

Puckett acknowledged West "certainly used a psychological ploy."
"The fact is," the attorney said, "two trained interrogators, both female, worked with [the Iraqi policeman] for hours and hours, and he wouldn't talk, so they called their commander."
West strode into the room, according to Puckett, and said to the Iraqi, "If you don't give us this information, I'm going to kill you."
The policeman, "as a demonstration of his seriousness," responded to West with a smile and said, "I love you."
West then took the Iraqi outside and, with the help of colleagues, forced his head down. With one hand on the man's head – to provide protection – and the other holding the pistol, West fired into a weapons-clearing barrel filled with sand.
"There was an immediate outpouring of information," Puckett said. The man told my client everything he wanted to know." That same evening, West made a full report to his superior and did not hear anything for many weeks.


Read more: Americans rally behindofficer who foiled plot Americans rally behindofficer who foiled plot
 
Barbbtx said:
Allen West seems like a man I'd want in charge if a loved one of mine was being threatened.

Puckett acknowledged West "certainly used a psychological ploy."
"The fact is," the attorney said, "two trained interrogators, both female, worked with [the Iraqi policeman] for hours and hours, and he wouldn't talk, so they called their commander."
West strode into the room, according to Puckett, and said to the Iraqi, "If you don't give us this information, I'm going to kill you."
The policeman, "as a demonstration of his seriousness," responded to West with a smile and said, "I love you."
West then took the Iraqi outside and, with the help of colleagues, forced his head down. With one hand on the man's head – to provide protection – and the other holding the pistol, West fired into a weapons-clearing barrel filled with sand.
"There was an immediate outpouring of information," Puckett said. The man told my client everything he wanted to know." That same evening, West made a full report to his superior and did not hear anything for many weeks.


Read more: Americans rally behindofficer who foiled plot Americans rally behindofficer who foiled plot
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except, barb, there was no attack, and nothing to suggest an attack was ever found. even west himself admitted "he might be wrong". and then he was reprimanded and forced to retire. just the guy i want to see in power.
 
VanceMack said:
Id love to see a non-politician enter the fray. A Donald Trump type (not 'the Donald'...but someone from that world). Someone not party affiliated but with a proven track record of success in business. Someone that isnt afraid to tell party officials to kiss his or her ass. Strong, motivated, motivational, driven not by the approval of the people but the success of the country.

Someone like Suze Orman comes to mind. I dont know her personal politics. I dont care about her personal life. I dont expect the president to 'fix' the country but I do expect the president to expect the congress to do their job and to motivate them and hold their feet to the fire when they get wrapped up in their party politics bull****.
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Why not Trump? I have been seeing a lot of talk about the possibility of him running.

He may have a lack of qualifications in many areas, but that may be a good thing. No one is truely qualified to be president, they just try to fake it as best as they can and hope that things turn out OK.

I do believe that we could possibly see some serious economic policy from him and some things getting done that otherwise wouldn't get done.
 
imagep said:
Why not Trump? I have been seeing a lot of talk about the possibility of him running.

He may have a lack of qualifications in many areas, but that may be a good thing. No one is truely qualified to be president, they just try to fake it as best as they can and hope that things turn out OK.

I do believe that we could possibly see some serious economic policy from him and some things getting done that otherwise wouldn't get done.
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he has considerable experience bankrupting organizations he mismanaged while simultaneously enriching himself

voila, the perfect republican candidate


[edit]hell, madoff could be his running mate ... similar qualifications
 
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liblady said:
except, barb, there was no attack, and nothing to suggest an attack was ever found. even west himself admitted "he might be wrong". and then he was reprimanded and forced to retire. just the guy i want to see in power.
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Formerly stationed with the Army's 4th Infantry Division near Tikrit, Iraq, Col. West and his men often found themselves fighting well-armed Saddam-loyalists, anxiously poised to kill and injure American troops. Lt. Col. Allen West's unit, operating in a constantly dangerous locale, received information from an Iraqi informant that a plot had been undertaken to ambush West and his men. The informant further indicated that an Iraqi police officer was involved in the plot. Under orders from West, two sergeants attached to the 4th Infantry Division arrested the Iraqi police officer and detained him for questioning at an American air base in Iraq. As interrogation of the Saddam-loyalist yielded little, Col. West assumed the lead role in the interrogation. After continued attempts to garner information from the uncooperative detainee in a peaceful and non-confrontational manner, Col. West withdrew his service weapon and fired two shots into a weapons clearing barrel located nearby. While placing the detainee and his subordinates in no danger, Col. West's discharge of his weapon did result in the detainee's offering information about an upcoming sniper attack and the names of those involved. Each of the guerrilla fighters named by the Iraqi were subsequently taken into custody, averting the disastrous attack and saving lives in the process.
AD: Defending Lt. Col. Allen West - Robert J. Rutkowski - Nov 12, 03
 
imagep said:
Why not Trump? I have been seeing a lot of talk about the possibility of him running.

He may have a lack of qualifications in many areas, but that may be a good thing. No one is truely qualified to be president, they just try to fake it as best as they can and hope that things turn out OK.

I do believe that we could possibly see some serious economic policy from him and some things getting done that otherwise wouldn't get done.
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I wouldn't vote for him because although he may be a Republican, he is not a Conservative.
 
UtahBill said:
Of the scammers and schemers I know personally, they tend to vote republican. They can't see THEIR actions as wrong, only the actions of others. Just within my own family I have 2 siblings who take undue advantage of funds that should be designated for the truly needy. In my SIL and DIL families, there are 5 bankruptcies in as many years, and they vote GOP.
OF course, they vote GOP because of issues like gun control, abortion, and gay marriage....
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They sound like the exception, not the rule.
 
UtahBill said:
Of the scammers and schemers I know personally, they tend to vote republican. They can't see THEIR actions as wrong, only the actions of others. Just within my own family I have 2 siblings who take undue advantage of funds that should be designated for the truly needy. In my SIL and DIL families, there are 5 bankruptcies in as many years, and they vote GOP.
OF course, they vote GOP because of issues like gun control, abortion, and gay marriage....
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lol.....yeah, my brother in law is a right wing whack job.....2 bankruptcies on his record.
 
justabubba said:
he has considerable experience bankrupting organizations he mismanaged while simultaneously enriching himself

voila, the perfect republican candidate


[edit]hell, madoff could be his running mate ... similar qualifications
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:lamo

You are such a ridiculous partisan hack...

Political Campaign Contributions by Donald Trump (1999 to Present) - $445,100
DEMOCRAT: 59.81% REPUBLICAN: 40.19%

Of course...no DEMOCRAT would ever corruptly spend billions of the taxpayers dollars...or declare bankruptcy, or have teensy problems with moral indiscretions...

:lamo
 
imagep said:
Why not Trump? I have been seeing a lot of talk about the possibility of him running.

He may have a lack of qualifications in many areas, but that may be a good thing. No one is truely qualified to be president, they just try to fake it as best as they can and hope that things turn out OK.

I do believe that we could possibly see some serious economic policy from him and some things getting done that otherwise wouldn't get done.
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Trump simply has too much baggage. He also has too large an ego to be an effective leader. You cant just fire congressmen.

Where someone like Trump might be effective (again 'LIKE' Trump) is in the arena of bringing congressional and business leaders together and explore new and realistic effective solutions. Business needs government to be OUT of the way to be successful.

And then there is that incredible rat of hair...
 
liblady said:
lol.....yeah, my brother in law is a right wing whack job.....2 bankruptcies on his record.
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And for every example you give I can take you down to the local welfare office and give you 20 democrat voters dependent on the government.
 
VanceMack said:
Trump simply has too much baggage. He also has too large an ego to be an effective leader. You cant just fire congressmen.

Where someone like Trump might be effective (again 'LIKE' Trump) is in the arena of bringing congressional and business leaders together and explore new and realistic effective solutions. Business needs government to be OUT of the way to be successful.

And then there is that incredible rat of hair...
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um...why would we want a man who files bankruptcy every other year? he's CLEARLY milking the system for all it's worth, and holding on to his own fortune while he loses his investor's money.
 
VanceMack said:
And for every example you give I can take you down to the local welfare office and give you 20 democrat voters dependent on the government.
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you sure? i didn't think truly poor people voted much.
 
VanceMack said:
:lamo

You are such a ridiculous partisan hack...

Political Campaign Contributions by Donald Trump (1999 to Present) - $445,100
DEMOCRAT: 59.81% REPUBLICAN: 40.19%

Of course...no DEMOCRAT would ever corruptly spend billions of the taxpayers dollars...or declare bankruptcy, or have teensy problems with moral indiscretions...

:lamo
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coming from you, i wear that insult as a badge of honor
please allow me to use it in my signature
 
liblady said:
um...why would we want a man who files bankruptcy every other year? he's CLEARLY milking the system for all it's worth, and holding on to his own fortune while he loses his investor's money.
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LIKE...not Trump...LIKE...I have said that three times now. Someone that is not motivated or driven by party politics. Someone that has the experience at large scale economic enterprise. Jobs...Orman...Gates...I dont know who...but someone along those lines.
 
justabubba said:
coming from you, i wear that insult as a badge of honor
please allow me to use it in my signature
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Baby, you dont need a 'signature.' The appearance of your name as the originator of ANY post says it all...anything you post will be driven by leftist partisan ideology. Hell...you arent even creative enough to be unique. You may not be a sock puppet...but you are a puppet nonetheless.
 
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