Pregnant Texas teen died after three ER visits due to medical impact of abortion ban

[Beruit 1978]

Don't interrupt while I'm manslaining to you.

On other forums, with different moderation systems, I would give you a +1 Funny. Good come back.

 

[Lutherf]

No, we're laying it at the feet of those who thought this was all a good idea.

Turns out that's the same people.

Really? That's your take? Instead of talking about the doctors that ****ed up the initial diagnosis or the doctors that chose not to treat the sepsis you're going to blame the law which actually allows for treatment in a situation like the one described.

 

[Beruit 1978]

Really? That's your take? Instead of talking about the doctors that ****ed up the initial diagnosis or the doctors that chose not to treat the sepsis you're going to blame the law which actually allows for treatment in a situation like the one described.

Sounds a bit like Hamas, willing to sacrifice women and children to make a political point. Actually, sounds a lot like Hamas. Who cares if a few dozen pregnant girls and women die? They've got to make their point!!

 

[Lutherf]

Sounds a bit like Hamas, willing to sacrifice women and children to make a political point. Actually, sounds a lot like Hamas. Who cares if a few dozen pregnant girls and women die? They've got to make their point!!

The Hamas comparison isn't entirely off base. The issue is one of the pursuit of ideological purity. Failure to abide 100% with whatever the Democrat plan consists of constitutes a "threat" and the only solution to that threat is complete destruction of the opposing ideology. Just look at what's going on with the abortion stuff now. They got pissed off that the issue was sent back tot he states and now the ONLY acceptable outcome is that all states allow abortion without regard to gestational age and without regard to any identifiable medical need. If the pregnant woman shows up at 30+ weeks and says "I'm having a bad day and don't think I can go through with this" then that's enough to justify termination of the pregnancy. They are doing the same thing with "gender affirmative care". If Timmy, at 6 years old, says to his teacher, "I want to be a girl" then, without so much as parental notification, the hormone treatments start and if the parents find out then THEY are the ones that get sent to jail. It's complete insanity but that's the way half the country wants things to be.

 

[BabaVoss]

Right. Lay it at the feet of whoever the liberals hate politically.

NO. At the feet of those directly responsible for having government inserted into women's reproductive health.

It's like when there's a school shooting the issue isn't the nutcase that shot up the school, it's the lawful gun owners that didn't do a damned thing.

No one ever blames a lawful gun owner for a nut with a gun.

When inflation is sky high that isn't because of anything the Biden administration did...

Correct. A US President hardly has the ability to cause global inflation.

, it's because of nasty, evil grocery store owners that are "price gouging".

That may well be part of the problem. Are you OK with price gouging?

 

[BabaVoss]

You're just not paying attention. "This death can be laid directly at the feet" of hospital administration, and some individual doctors.

Are you so naive that you can't see the extremist abortion ban at work here? You just think all those medical professionals must be incompetent boobs? Please.

 

[Beruit 1978]

Are you so naive that you can't see the extremist abortion ban at work here? You just think all those medical professionals must be incompetent boobs? Please.

The naivete appears to be on your side. The doctors failed to act upon a clear cut medical emergency. The hospital administration has apparently failed to write clear policy. The doctors and the hospital administrators were clearly obligated to act to save a woman's life, and they failed to act.

 

[BabaVoss]

The naivete appears to be on your side. The doctors failed to act upon a clear cut medical emergency.

Why do you suppose they did that? You can’t imagine that they are hesitant because of the strict abortion ban?

The hospital administration has apparently failed to write clear policy. The doctors and the hospital administrators were clearly obligated to act to save a woman's life, and they failed to act.

This is why government should not be involved in personal medical decisions.

 

[Lursa]

Another woman killed by Texas's draconian abortion ban.

Pregnant Texas teen died after three ER visits due to impact of abortion ban

Neveah Crain died in October 2023 after doctor reportedly called for two ultrasounds to ‘confirm fetal demise’

www.theguardian.com

Anti-choicers are NOT "pro life."

There are multiple threads on this, so re-posting here.

Dear Anti-abortite Right...time to stop telling us how safe pregnancy and childbirth are.​

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"Left: pregnancy/childbirth endanger a woman's life and health.​

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Right: a "baby" dies for every abortion, pregnancy/childbirth is SAFE!"​

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Now with the media focus on pregnancy/childbirth, we see just how "safe" it is. As in...not. As the Left has been saying for decades, every single pregnancy is a significant risk to a woman's life and health...every single one and it cant be predicted or always prevented. It's dehumanizing when you anti-abortites reduce this issue to numbers, for both women and the unborn.​

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Every single pregnant woman has a life involved with family and friends and work and commitments and obligations to others. Each woman is an individual who matters and makes a difference. Each one suffers...willingly if she wants a baby. But it's immoral to force that on her if she doesnt.​

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The unborn has yet to impact anyone except the woman. And suffers nothing. It's immoral to choose to protect the unborn over the woman and all WHO she is, to herself and others.​

This has been a public service announcement for all anti-abortites, based off the information presented in the the OP. Not necessarily to that poster.

 

[Jason Warfield]

Why didn't they treat the sepsis?

It looks like the fist ER made a mistake: not an excuse for them, but an answer for you. It looks like a misdiagnosis.

The second ER properly diagnosed the sepsis...but opted not to treat her because they of the strong fetal heartbeat and...almost all medical journals advocate treating the mother prior to the child.

That is important because if Texan doctors were to do that and the child dies as a result; the law is not clear if the doctor would be punished. If they were to remove the child via surgery, as is preferred, in case of fetal sepsis, it could kill both child and mother...which is another problem because fetal sepsis sometimes reverses itself. The factor that determines if surgery is needed to remove the child is the fetal heartbeat. If it has a strong heartbeat, as it did in this case, they will not remove the child prematurely.

At this point, you would probably ask, ok, why not treat the mother when the heartbeat is detected and considered strong? Again, we look at the procedure to save the mother...which means that doctors are actively placing the mother's health over what may be considered a viable fetus...and Texas law is not clear on if this would get doctors into trouble.

It all goes back to interpretation of the Texas law. If the law didn't exist, the first ER should get its ass sued for misdiagnosis and the second ER would have acted in the best course of action instead of choosing inaction, the same for the third ER.

 

[Teatime]

this point, you would probably ask, ok, why not treat the mother when the heartbeat is detected and considered strong?

No, my next question was why are we assuming the patient even wanted an abortion? Did she say so?

 

[Beruit 1978]

No, my next question was why are we assuming the patient even wanted an abortion? Did she say so?

Damned good question, and one which I didn't even think to ask. Nowhere in the stories I've looked at so far is it stated that the young woman was seeking an abortion.

 

[BirdinHand]

Roe came into existence because a patchwork of state laws was resulting in women dying and being permanently harmed by back alley abortion providers.

We are now back to where we started and women are dying and being permanently harmed again.

Thanks to backwards states who don’t see women as equals.

Way to go Trump and Trump’s SCOTUS.

 

[aociswundumho]

Are you OK with price gouging?

Definitely. If it's your property, you should be allowed to sell it for whatever you can get.

 

[Jason Warfield]

No, my next question was why are we assuming the patient even wanted an abortion? Did she say so?

Like so many who are suffering through tragedies like this, they WANT the child.

BUT…

Proved to be willing to have the abortion, or in this case, accept that an abortion may needed to save the girl’s life.

The idea being that as terrible as loosing the unborn child is, saving the girl is preferable to losing everything so that she could have a child in the future.

But the law is worded in such a way that it was unclear for the doctors of the latter two ER’s that action was not taken.

That poor girl wanted that baby, and if the doctors had been allowed to act without fear of repercussions, both the girl and her unborn child could have gotten through this.

A young lady and family who were basically pro-life except for medical reasons.

The pro-life movement essentially killed one of their own.

Added: I realized that didn’t specifically answer the question. The answer is yes insofar if that was needed to save the young lady. The mother in the lay ERNwas begging doctors to save her daughter by any means.

 

[Teatime]

Proved to be willing to have the abortion...

I'm asking for where you personally found that information in the article.

 

[Jason Warfield]

I'm asking for where you personally found that information in the article.

Not in the article listed here, but went down the Google rabbit hole of other accounts.

The medics information came from a variety of sources like NIH, John’s Hopkins and a handful of obstetric journals. It is tricky to find as when you first look for it, you get a lot of data on treating sepsis for pregnant women, but it takes a little bit more searching to find possible consequences of said treatments.

 

[Beruit 1978]

Not in the article listed here, but went down the Google rabbit hole of other accounts.

The medics information came from a variety of sources like NIH, John’s Hopkins and a handful of obstetric journals. It is tricky to find as when you first look for it, you get a lot of data on treating sepsis for pregnant women, but it takes a little bit more searching to find possible consequences of said treatments.

I think that I'll accept your word on the events happening in this cases. Yeah, I understand about rabbit holes, and/or internet memory holes.

My argument is, Texas state law allows for abortion when the life or health of the mother is at risk. Neither the doctors, nor the hospital administrators have done the basic homework necessary to understand the law. One might suspect that the hospitals are hoping for some high profile cases where the lady in question dies, so that some activist groups go to court to challenge the law. This one woman could have been saved, quite legally, but no one was willing to step up and take responsibility.

 

[Bodi]

Another woman killed by Texas's draconian abortion ban.

Pregnant Texas teen died after three ER visits due to impact of abortion ban

Neveah Crain died in October 2023 after doctor reportedly called for two ultrasounds to ‘confirm fetal demise’

www.theguardian.com

Anti-choicers are NOT "pro life."

Anti-Choicers are TRASH

 

[NWRatCon]

I may start a thread on this, it's that important, but there are, increasingly, reports of these extreme abortion bans actually killing fetuses - as in this case. So, not only are they killing women, incredibly inhumane, and deliberately cruel, but they're actually killing the supposed objects of their misguided efforts.