• This is a political forum that is non-biased/non-partisan and treats every person's position on topics equally. This debate forum is not aligned to any political party. In today's politics, many ideas are split between and even within all the political parties. Often we find ourselves agreeing on one platform but some topics break our mold. We are here to discuss them in a civil political debate. If this is your first visit to our political forums, be sure to check out the RULES. Registering for debate politics is necessary before posting. Register today to participate - it's free!

Pre-term delivery

you're moving goal posts

unborn babies aren't convicted con's, its not self defense or someone living because of a machine

Nope, because the 'goal post' was "responsibility."

And I listed many ways that abortion is a responsible option...just like self-defense protecting your life and others, just like not prolonging brain death at the financial and emotional expense of family, just like removing a convicted danger from society.

You really should work on your vocabulary. Or just choose to post in good faith. 🤷

you cannot compare an innocent unborn child to those ..... its apples and oranges

I didnt. Now you are moving the goal posts. The subject was "responsibility."

You come up empty again.
 
How did this become about puppies?

liberals hate analogies

it destroys their entire arguments .... lets walk through a couple

an unwanted baby isn't a responsibility - except that men sacrifice their time/money/autonomy for a baby they don't want
killing something that isn't wanted is responsible - but only if its an unborn baby ... killing an unwanted dog is just horrible

funny huh? the inconsistencies ?


look, its boils down to this .... pro-abortion don't want women to be responsible. They want an easy out for their actions. They ALSO at the same time demand men be responsible for babies they don't want ........... its hypocritical

just admit it I guess would be better than pretending not to understand it ??
 
"Unborn babies" are not actually babies and they are not legal persons with rights. Newborns are actual babies (neonate). Your argument is absurd.

same living human lives just a little difference in how long they've been alive

your argument is absurd and you're getting emotional
 
The subject was "responsibility."

was Kristi Noem responsible in killing the dog she didn't want ?

you're not going to answer are you? because you know she wasn't - but you dang sure see the similarities and how you're backed into a corner with the question :)
 
was Kristi Noem responsible in killing the dog she didn't want ?

you're not going to answer are you? because you know she wasn't - but you dang sure see the similarities and how you're backed into a corner with the question :)

Sure, when you answer the questions I've asked you and you've ignored them or responded by asking more questions.

Get going, it's going to take you quite some time just doing so in this thread. You cant hide behind that avoidance and attempted distraction..it just make your desperation more obvious.
 
same living human lives just a little difference in how long they've been alive

your argument is absurd and you're getting emotional
That's quite the monumental projection right there. Especially given the emotive quality in all your posts.
Still waiting on that "compelling argument."
 
Sure, when you answer the questions I've asked you and you've ignored them or responded by asking more questions.

Get going, it's going to take you quite some time just doing so in this thread. You cant hide behind that avoidance and attempted distraction..it just make your desperation more obvious.
Indeed. I'm still waiting for the "compelling argument" he mentioned. No surprise there has been nothing yet. Just deflections to animals, mens autonomy, post birth, and other deflective nonsense.
 
Sure, when you answer the questions I've asked you and you've ignored them or responded by asking more questions.

Get going, it's going to take you quite some time just doing so in this thread. You cant hide behind that avoidance and attempted distraction..it just make your desperation more obvious.

no, you won't answer because you and I both know you don't condone killing just because you don't want to be responsible

don't kill the cat, the dog, the toddler .... nobody agree's with that and you don't and I don't
 
A fetus isn't a baby. You are making a category error.

call it a kitten or a puppy, I don't care what you call it ...

its a living unborn human life and abortion is the act of killing it
 
no, you won't answer because you and I both know you don't condone killing just because you don't want to be responsible

don't kill the cat, the dog, the toddler .... nobody agree's with that and you don't and I don't

😄 Sure, when you answer the questions I've asked you and you've ignored them or responded by asking more questions.

Get going, it's going to take you quite some time just doing so in this thread. You cant hide behind that avoidance and attempted distraction..it just make your desperation more obvious.
 
It isn't a kitten. Or a puppy. Or a baby.
words doesn't matter, I agree

its a living human unborn life - 101 Biology, 100% factual and true and it doesn't matter what you or I call it

horrendous to kill a dog that's unwanted, awful to kill a cat that's unwanted, ... why in the world would anyone accept killing an unborn human life simply because its unwanted?

and the same people that say its fine? they're horrified to kill it 1 minute after birth - the same exact living human life .... just a little later in life
 
words doesn't matter, I agree

its a living human unborn life - 101 Biology, 100% factual and true and it doesn't matter what you or I call it

horrendous to kill a dog that's unwanted, awful to kill a cat that's unwanted, ... why in the world would anyone accept killing an unborn human life simply because its unwanted?

and the same people that say its fine? they're horrified to kill it 1 minute after birth - the same exact living human life .... just a little later in life
You sound emotional.
 
call them puppies, kittens, babies, fetuses .... I don't care what word you use

they're living human unborn's and deserve a chance to live

they're living human unborn's and deserve a chance to live - tap dance around that
No - I don't have to tap dance. I can march right through it. The fact that something merely exists does not mean that it "deserves" anything. You're projecting a sentient existence where there is none.

The operative word - your own word - is unborn.

unborn - adjective
1: not born : not brought into life

2: still to appear : future

3: existing without birth

Conversely, every born woman actually does deserve autonomy over her own body! That's why we have laws against rape. Your ignorance does not get to dictate what her right to her own person is.
 
No - I don't have to tap dance. I can march right through it. The fact that something merely exists does not mean that it "deserves" anything. You're projecting a sentient existence where there is none.
fantastic - how do you view Noem killing the dog?

The operative word - your own word - is unborn.

unborn - adjective
1: not born : not brought into life

2: still to appear : future

3: existing without birth

Conversely, every born woman actually does deserve autonomy over her own body! That's why we have laws against rape. Your ignorance does not get to dictate what her right to her own person is.

she has autonomy - don't have irresponsible sex
a man has autonomy - on't have irresponsible sex

if a man does and a life is created? he's going to lose some autonomy isn't he ? for like 18 years? financially ? you and I agree right, he needs to step up and be responsible right ?
 
fantastic - how do you view Noem killing the dog?



she has autonomy - don't have irresponsible sex
a man has autonomy - on't have irresponsible sex

if a man does and a life is created? he's going to lose some autonomy isn't he ? for like 18 years? financially ? you and I agree right, he needs to step up and be responsible right ?
What do dogs have to do with anything? Your arguments are getting more outrageous and desperate with each post. The amount of stretching you do to try and make a point would cause even Mr. Fantastic to wince.
 
What do dogs have to do with anything? Your arguments are getting more outrageous and desperate with each post. The amount of stretching you do to try and make a point would cause even Mr. Fantastic to wince.

you avoid answering and we both know why .... killing an unborn is a-ok with you ... killing a dog is horrific ... am I right ?
 
No - I don't have to tap dance. I can march right through it. The fact that something merely exists does not mean that it "deserves" anything. You're projecting a sentient existence where there is none.

The operative word - your own word - is unborn.

unborn - adjective
1: not born : not brought into life

2: still to appear : future

3: existing without birth

Conversely, every born woman actually does deserve autonomy over her own body! That's why we have laws against rape. Your ignorance does not get to dictate what her right to her own person is.

Very well written and cited. That's a "counter argument."

The poster you responded to should take note on form and substance.
 
fantastic - how do you view Noem killing the dog?
Could you possibly change the subject any further? Perhaps your last refuge, because it's a sure sign of losing an argument.
🤷‍♂️
Mankind has been domesticating dogs for 15,000 years, and deliberately breeding them for at least 9,500 years. Virtually every distinguishable dog breed was created in exactly the same way. For thousands of years, whenever a dog owner wanted to breed any confirmation or temperament into, or out of, their domesticated dogs, they simply killed the ones in the litter that exhibited any unwanted traits. Even as recently as a hundred years ago, nobody was performing spaying and neutering operations on their non conforming dogs to control their breeding. People couldn't afford to feed unproductive animals. Dogs that wouldn't fulfill their intended use have been slaughtered for millennia, no different than any domesticated animal was.
It's called breeding.
she has autonomy - don't have irresponsible sex
You're not fit to judge what is responsible sex for somebody else. Only yourself. Period.
a man has autonomy - on't have irresponsible sex
And a man should have no autonomy over a woman. None. Alas, even to this day, most of the misogynist planet does not subscribe to that. Throughout most of history, women have been considered the property of men. Fortunately now, at least in Western civilization, they've become recognized as co-equal first class citizens, with equal rights to men, including bodily autonomy.
if a man does and a life is created? he's going to lose some autonomy isn't he ? for like 18 years? financially ? you and I agree right, he needs to step up and be responsible right ?
It's a waste of time to argue false equivalencies with me. Why do you do it? To make a fool of yourself? A man's bodily autonomy is never at stake, nor will it ever be. The days of creating eunuchs are past.
 
Last edited:
Back
Top Bottom