Pre-term delivery

[stealthycat]

Your suppressing man thing is a Straw Man. This debate is about how you and others want to suppress women's right.

its exactly the same

pro-abortion people demand men be responsible, they control men in every way financially possible for their part in creating human life .... control, demand, suppress, take away autonomy ... its NOT their time/money and choice at all is it ?

its very much the same thing - and most pro-abortion people who don't want women to be responsible absolutely demand the man be ... ironic huh ?

pro-life people demand BOTH be responsible ... the woman for 10 months the man for at least 18 years

 

[Lursa]

not at all

you're wanting to suppress men's rights to their autonomy

they don't want that stinking kid - why should they suffer ? their families? their other kids? they want to party and buy things and go to college and the financial burden of a kid they never wanted (but helped create by choice) will get in their way

their money, their choice


right ?

This continues to be hilariously ironic.

 

[Lursa]

women aren't the ones doing the impregnating and forced to financially provide against their will - men's autonomy is being controlled by the Govt and by everyone who believes men should pay for a kid they never wanted

I am one of those people - men SHOULD be responsible ... and women should be too

I guess men should be voting to support more access to abortion in their states then, right? They should be voting in their best interests, rather than just putting getting laid first and worrying about consequences later? (Sound familiar? )

 

[Lursa]

legalize killing any human life that isn't wanted - yes yes, I know your point of view and I suppose it could be argued that killing anyone can be justified if you twist things just right

I mean that 1 minute old baby? what value is it really? right ?

Too bad you never have any answers for him, just more questions to avoid doing so.

 

[stealthycat]

This continues to be hilariously ironic.

its funny to you that men are held accountable for their actions by legally forcing them and their time/money for a baby they didn't want ?

I agree with you - they SHOULD be held responsible for their actions.

the women should be too

 

[Bodi]

its exactly the same

pro-abortion people demand men be responsible, they control men in every way financially possible for their part in creating human life .... control, demand, suppress, take away autonomy ... its NOT their time/money and choice at all is it ?

its very much the same thing - and most pro-abortion people who don't want women to be responsible absolutely demand the man be ... ironic huh ?

pro-life people demand BOTH be responsible ... the woman for 10 months the man for at least 18 years

You are engaging in a Red Herring... a tactic of distraction. The debate is about women's rights, and you are trying to distract it to men's rights.

We might be done here if you persist. *shrug*

 

[Luce]

That's around the point of viability, the same limit that was under Roe/Casey.

That's not a coincidence.

 

[Luce]

its funny to you that men are held accountable for their actions by legally forcing them and their time/money for a baby they didn't want ?

I agree with you - they SHOULD be held responsible for their actions.

the women should be too

Why? If the woman has an abortion, they're both off the hook.

 

[stealthycat]

I guess men should be voting to support more access to abortion in their states then, right? They should be voting in their best interests, rather than just putting getting laid first and worrying about consequences later? (Sound familiar? )

so in your opinion two people have sex irresponsibly and they find themselves with a baby on the way

the man should be forced to financially provide for 18 years ... he has no say in it, his autonomy is impacted, his way of life, maybe a family he has with someone else etc .... for a child he never wanted

that's fair isn't it ?

 

[stealthycat]

Why? If the woman has an abortion, they're both off the hook.

if a man and woman get a puppy and they both don't want it later, they can kill it .... that's being responsible isn't it ?

 

[Lursa]

its funny to you that men are held accountable for their actions by legally forcing them and their time/money for a baby they didn't want ?

I agree with you - they SHOULD be held responsible for their actions.

the women should be too

The exchange between you and @Bodi is hilariously ironic. You're forcing him to make some great posts exposing the realities of his pet wailing wall.

 

[Lursa]

its funny to you that men are held accountable for their actions by legally forcing them and their time/money for a baby they didn't want ?

I agree with you - they SHOULD be held responsible for their actions.

the women should be too

Btw, great! You finally agree that abortion is a responsible option! And men and women can support it. Right? You'll agree to the list finally?

Your arguments about responsibility all fail because you refuse to recognize that it is a responsible option...just one you dont like. You want to control everything about a woman's choices apparently...but too bad, it doesnt change the definitions of words.

--There's nothing responsible about having a kid you cant afford and expecting tax payers to take up that burden with public assistance/welfare.​

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--There's nothing responsible about having a kid you arent emotionally prepared to have and believe you may abuse or neglect.​

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--There's nothing responsible about having a kid if you know you wont stop drinking, smoking, doing drugs, etc that will damage the unborn.​

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--There's nothing responsible about remaining pregnant and dropping out of high school or college or missing work and not fulfilling your potential in society.​

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--There's nothing responsible about remaining pregnant/having a child and not being able to fulfill your other commitments and obligations to family, dependents, employer, church, community, society.​

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--There's nothing responsible about having a kid and giving it up for adoption when there are already over 100,000 kids in America waiting to be adopted. It means one less waiting will find a home.​

 

[Lursa]

if a man and woman get a puppy and they both don't want it later, they can kill it .... that's being responsible isn't it ?

Why are you answering another question with a question? You are the finest forum example of signaling a weak argument by hiding behind more questions. Well, top 5 anyway.

 

[stealthycat]

Btw, great! You finally agree that abortion is a responsible option! And men and women can support it. Right? You'll agree to the list finally?

Your arguments about responsibility all fail because you refuse to recognize that it is a responsible option...just one you dont like. You want to control everything about a woman's choices apparently...but too bad, it doesnt change the definitions of words.

--There's nothing responsible about having a kid you cant afford and expecting tax payers to take up that burden with public assistance/welfare.​

​

--There's nothing responsible about having a kid you arent emotionally prepared to have and believe you may abuse or neglect.​

​

--There's nothing responsible about having a kid if you know you wont stop drinking, smoking, doing drugs, etc that will damage the unborn.​

​

--There's nothing responsible about remaining pregnant and dropping out of high school or college or missing work and not fulfilling your potential in society.​

​

--There's nothing responsible about remaining pregnant/having a child and not being able to fulfill your other commitments and obligations to family, dependents, employer, church, community, society.​

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--There's nothing responsible about having a kid and giving it up for adoption when there are already over 100,000 kids in America waiting to be adopted. It means one less waiting will find a home.​

killing is responsible

gotta love the views of liberals

 

[stealthycat]

Why are you answering another question with a question? You are the finest forum example of signaling a weak argument by hiding behind more questions. Well, top 5 anyway.

if you don't understand I guess you just don't


Krisit Noem killing that dog horrified you didn't it ?

yet ... wasn't she just being responsible and killing something she didn't want ?

 

[Lursa]

killing is responsible

gotta love the views of liberals

Some is...gotta love a con finally getting it. Self defense, pulling the plug, abortion, etc.

 

[Lursa]

if you don't understand I guess you just don't


Krisit Noem killing that dog horrified you didn't it ?

yet ... wasn't she just being responsible and killing something she didn't want ?

Why are you answering another question with a question? You are the finest forum example of signaling a weak argument by hiding behind more questions. Well, top 5 anyway.

 

[Gordy327]

its funny to you that men are held accountable for their actions by legally forcing them and their time/money for a baby they didn't want ?

Perhaps men should stop trying to restrict abortion then. They seem to be shooting themselves in the proverbial foot.

I agree with you - they SHOULD be held responsible for their actions.

the women should be too

Women are. What makes you think thery're not responsible? But if you think they are not being responsible, what makes you think forcing them to gestate and raise a child is a good idea or thhat they will be a responsible parent?

if a man and woman get a puppy and they both don't want it later, they can kill it .... that's being responsible isn't it ?

That's what animal shelters are for.

so in your opinion two people have sex irresponsibly and they find themselves with a baby on the way

the man should be forced to financially provide for 18 years ... he has no say in it, his autonomy is impacted, his way of life, maybe a family he has with someone else etc .... for a child he never wanted

that's fair isn't it ?

You confuse gestation with child rearing. What if the man wants the woman to not have an abortion but she does want one? What then? Should the man still have any say? Is his autonomy being threatened?

pro-life people demand BOTH be responsible ... the woman for 10 months the man for at least 18 years

Do you seriously think a woman is off the hook after giving birth? WOw, your views of women are quite abysmal.

call them puppies, kittens, babies, fetuses .... I don't care what word you use

It's an embryo/fetus. It's not a baby/child. You know, because science, which you like to invoke when it suits your purposes. It's also not a person with rights, because you know, the law!

they're living human unborn's and deserve a chance to live

Says who? By what authority? That seems entirely up to the woman gestating to decide. Certainly not you or anyone else!

duh

but their money and time is and why should their autonomy be impacted by a kid they don't want? their money/time, their choice. ..... right ?

The woman is just as impacted, if not more so. It's hilarious how you complain about men losing their autonomy when they have to support a child, but then go on about "responsibility." Double standard much?

killing something that's an inconvenience is responsible ?

For abortion, Yes.

when Kristi Noem killed that dog did you defend her doing that as being responsible ?

We're talking abortion rights, not animal rights. Try to stay on topic.

because I gave up with you - you have no respect or value for human life

You still haven't explained the "value" of human life. I'm still waiting for this "compelling argument" you supposedly have. Well?

which of course isn't what we're talking about

Funny how you say that after bringing up Kristi Noem or comparing me to serial killers and such things.

why not kill it at one minute old if the woman decided she doesn't want it ? you cannot make a logical argument to kill it one minute before birth but not after

After birth, it's a legal person with rights and no longer parasitically feeding and occupying a gestational hosts body. It can also be given to another for care. There, logical argument made.

but you and I know you don't care if its killed 1 minute after .... don't we ?

Your hysterics is becoming increasingly irrational and comical.

killing is responsible

gotta love the views of liberals

What @Lursa said in post #166. As well as every other post she made too.

 

[Luce]

if a man and woman get a puppy and they both don't want it later, they can kill it .... that's being responsible isn't it ?

How did this become about puppies?

 

[Gordy327]

You are engaging in a Red Herring... a tactic of distraction. The debate is about women's rights, and you are trying to distract it to men's rights.

Distract, deflect, emote. Rinse and repeat. Notice how he argues about the "value" of human life or unborn, but cannot seem to explain that point. That just goes to show he's talking BS and has no real rational argument.

 

[Luce]

killing is responsible

gotta love the views of liberals

Murder is irresponsible.

Guess what isn't murder?

 

[Gordy327]

This continues to be hilariously ironic.

Not to mention becoming increasingly hysterical.

 

[Gordy327]

Murder is irresponsible.

Guess what isn't murder?

[Raises hand] ooh, ooh, I know, ABORTION!

 

[stealthycat]

Some is...gotta love a con finally getting it. Self defense, pulling the plug, abortion, etc.

you're moving goal posts

unborn babies aren't convicted con's, its not self defense or someone living because of a machine

you cannot compare an innocent unborn child to those ..... its apples and oranges

if you are doing that, might as well allow killing of newborns if/when they get in the way - the argument is identical

 

[Gordy327]

you're moving goal posts

unborn babies aren't convicted con's, its not self defense or someone living because of a machine

you cannot compare an innocent unborn child to those ..... its apples and oranges

if you are doing that, might as well allow killing of newborns if/when they get in the way - the argument is identical

"Unborn babies" are not actually babies and they are not legal persons with rights. Newborns are actual babies (neonate). Your argument is absurd.