Pre-civilizations spawned by time travelers?

[Exquisitor]

Pre-civilizations spawned by time travelers?

I've been trying to find a common scale between evolution and Earth's pre-history civilizations; where did they come from?

If we just evolved from apes in the last sixty thousand years, where did pre-man come from?

Are Scientology, "I AM", Hare Krishna all wrong?

Did pre-man come from 1) Jumped here and took bodies that would come along 2) Time traveled 3) Dimensional 4) Never existed?

 

[soylentgreen]

Pre-civilizations spawned by time travelers?

I've been trying to find a common scale between evolution and Earth's pre-history civilizations; where did they come from?

If we just evolved from apes in the last sixty thousand years, where did pre-man come from?

Are Scientology, "I AM", Hare Krishna all wrong?

Did pre-man come from 1) Jumped here and took bodies that would come along 2) Time traveled 3) Dimensional 4) Never existed?

Where did you get sixty thousand years from?
BBC - Science & Nature - The evolution of man

By two million years ago, a new species of Homo appeared - the first species we would truly recognise as human.

 

[Checkerboard Strangler]

Pre-civilizations spawned by time travelers?

I've been trying to find a common scale between evolution and Earth's pre-history civilizations; where did they come from?

If we just evolved from apes in the last sixty thousand years, where did pre-man come from?

Are Scientology, "I AM", Hare Krishna all wrong?

Did pre-man come from 1) Jumped here and took bodies that would come along 2) Time traveled 3) Dimensional 4) Never existed?

Oh come on, nobody ever said that apes magically turned into humanoids.
And it didn't happen "all of a sudden sixty thousand years ago" either.
What evolutionary biologists are saying is that somewhere along the way, one group of primates enjoyed the luxury of superior food, better conditions and the necessary external stimuli to branch off into higher development.
Natural selection gave rise to increased tool use, increased problem solving and eventually a higher level species emerged.

Want to know what happened about sixty or seventy thousand years ago? A population bottleneck that reduced breeding pairs of humans to about ten thousand survivors of what might be the largest known volcanic eruption in history.

 

[zyzygy]

Pre-civilizations spawned by time travelers?

I've been trying to find a common scale between evolution and Earth's pre-history civilizations; where did they come from?

If we just evolved from apes in the last sixty thousand years, where did pre-man come from?

Are Scientology, "I AM", Hare Krishna all wrong?

Did pre-man come from 1) Jumped here and took bodies that would come along 2) Time traveled 3) Dimensional 4) Never existed?

Your premise is wrong.

 

[Exquisitor]

Where did you get sixty thousand years from?
BBC - Science & Nature - The evolution of man

60,000 years is a common male ancestor.

Thanks for the link.

I find the data puzzling.

 

[Thoreau72]

60,000 years is a common male ancestor.

Thanks for the link.

I find the data puzzling.

Like trying to fit the square peg into the round hole, the data IS puzzling if one accepts traditional history accounts at face value.

 

[soylentgreen]

60,000 years is a common male ancestor.

Thanks for the link.

I find the data puzzling.

That 60,000 is old news.
https://www.livescience.com/38613-genetic-adam-and-eve-uncovered.html

The findings, detailed today (Aug. 1) in the journal Science, come from the most complete analysis of the male sex chromosome, or the Y chromosome, to date. The results overturn earlier research, which suggested that men's most recent common ancestor lived just 50,000 to 60,000 years ago.

Despite their overlap in time, ancient "Adam" and ancient "Eve" probably didn't even live near each other, let alone mate.
"Those two people didn't know each other," said Melissa Wilson Sayres, a geneticist at the University of California, Berkeley, who was not involved in the study.

And it is not uncommon. A more recent event.
1 in 200 men direct descendants of Genghis Khan - Gene Expression

In 2003 a groundbreaking historical genetics paper reported results which indicated that a substantial proportion of men in the world are direct line descendants of Genghis Khan. By direct line, I mean that they carry Y chromosomes which seem to have come down from an individual who lived approximately 1,000 years ago. As Y chromosomes are only passed from father to son, that would mean that the Y is a record of one’s patrilineage. Genghis Khan died ~750 years ago, so assuming 25 years per generation, you get about 30 men between the present and that period. In more quantitative terms, ~10% of the men who reside within the borders of the Mongol Empire as it was at the death of Genghis Khan may carry his Y chromosome, and so ~0.5% of men in the world, about 16 million individuals alive today, do so. Since 2003 there have been other cases of “super-Y” lineages. For example the Manchu lineage and the Uí Néill lineage.

 

[Davey]

Pre-civilizations spawned by time travelers?

I've been trying to find a common scale between evolution and Earth's pre-history civilizations; where did they come from?

If we just evolved from apes in the last sixty thousand years, where did pre-man come from?

Are Scientology, "I AM", Hare Krishna all wrong?

Did pre-man come from 1) Jumped here and took bodies that would come along 2) Time traveled 3) Dimensional 4) Never existed?

The text books regarding Evolution will tell you that life began from the torrential rains hitting hard against the Mountainside for millions of years, and as mineral deposit started slowly draining into the ocean depths, a chemical primordial complex soup started to percolate, and from a state of nothingness, life began.

In other words they teach that before the Apes, that we came from a bucket of slime from nonliving matter.

It violates the law of conservation of energy and the second law of thermodynamics, meaning it is scientifically impossible what they say predates the Apes. But your question is 'what do they say.'

And what I just told you is what they say verbatim.

 

[Helix]

Pre-civilizations spawned by time travelers?

nope. if a time traveller successfully jumped even one hour in either direction, he (meant in a gender neutral sense, as multidirectional time travel seems almost impossibly unlikely for either sex) would find himself floating in space with the earth 1.3 million miles away, assuming that the stats that i found online are correct.

time travel is possible, however. it is unidirectional, and we're all doing it constantly. also, check this out :

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Time_dilation

i find that fascinating. basically, (as i understand the concept) you can time travel forward at an infinitesimally slightly faster rate just by increasing your velocity relative to objects which are not in motion. i might not be explaining that perfectly, as i am a biochemist / microbiologist rather than a physicist.

 

[Threegoofs]

60,000 years is a common male ancestor.

Thanks for the link.

I find the data puzzling.

The common male ancestor has nothing to do with how long Homo Sapiens has been a species on this planet.

Data is puzzling, because science is hard.

The answer to learning hard things with puzzling data is to work hard at learning it, not make up some BS story about time travel spawning civilizations.

The real story is much more interesting.

 

[Mr Person]

nope. if a time traveller successfully jumped even one hour in either direction, he (meant in a gender neutral sense, as multidirectional time travel seems almost impossibly unlikely for either sex) would find himself floating in space with the earth 1.3 million miles away, assuming that the stats that i found online are correct.

time travel is possible, however. it is unidirectional, and we're all doing it constantly. also, check this out :

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Time_dilation

i find that fascinating. basically, (as i understand the concept) you can time travel forward at an infinitesimally slightly faster rate just by increasing your velocity relative to objects which are not in motion. i might not be explaining that perfectly, as i am a biochemist / microbiologist rather than a physicist.

That's why some fictional characters find it so hard to land in the intended spot...





(But more seriously, I doubt any civilization would discover a greater physics that demonstrates time travel is actually possible, build a time machine, but forget that planets, solar systems, galaxies, the expansion of empty space at all points, etc)

 

[Helix]

That's why some fictional characters find it so hard to land in the intended spot...





(But more seriously, I doubt any civilization would discover a greater physics that demonstrates time travel is actually possible, build a time machine, but forget that planets, solar systems, galaxies, the expansion of empty space at all points, etc)

the only way that i see it being possible is a simulated universe with cheat codes.

 

[beerftw]

Pre-civilizations spawned by time travelers?

I've been trying to find a common scale between evolution and Earth's pre-history civilizations; where did they come from?

If we just evolved from apes in the last sixty thousand years, where did pre-man come from?

Are Scientology, "I AM", Hare Krishna all wrong?

Did pre-man come from 1) Jumped here and took bodies that would come along 2) Time traveled 3) Dimensional 4) Never existed?

You can go through numerous theories, some believe man evolved from monkey, some believe man and ape both took different paths and share a common ancestor but one did not evolve from the other but rather evolved at the same time, or my theory apes are just humans who went stupid, ever go to a walmart or watch idiocracy, yeah it makes my point(joking of course)


In my view man has been around a very long time, too many put a certain chromasone as proof of modern human, yet up to the middle ages many did not possess it, my theory is most of what they call pre man is simply just man, seriously I busted up laughing when I read an article about homo erectus in china, talking about how different he is from modern man, he was too short squinty eyed and had bucked teeth, and wow I thought of every chinese stereotype there was. I seems scientists base what modern man should be on what modern europeans and africans look like now, and seem to ignore all genetic diversity beyond that.


In terms of civilization, my belief is that man kind has not always progressed, but rather progressed and fell, and continued the cycle. A good example is rome, they had running water and toiles, an ancient version of napalm, and many other advancements, yet when rome collapsed europe went into a dark age while the middle east and the surviving east roman empire remained. Point is the simple fall of the western roman empire set mankind back centuries, now imagine this played over and over through history, it becomes a mystery of what pre civilization is when you can not actually show when civilization began, but rather just the oldest remains you can unearth of it.

 

[Exquisitor]

That 60,000 is old news.
https://www.livescience.com/38613-genetic-adam-and-eve-uncovered.html

And it is not uncommon. A more recent event.
1 in 200 men direct descendants of Genghis Khan - Gene Expression

They say it only takes five thousand years for your genes to be distributed through the entire race.

 

[Exquisitor]

You can go through numerous theories, some believe man evolved from monkey, some believe man and ape both took different paths and share a common ancestor but one did not evolve from the other but rather evolved at the same time, or my theory apes are just humans who went stupid, ever go to a walmart or watch idiocracy, yeah it makes my point(joking of course)


In my view man has been around a very long time, too many put a certain chromasone as proof of modern human, yet up to the middle ages many did not possess it, my theory is most of what they call pre man is simply just man, seriously I busted up laughing when I read an article about homo erectus in china, talking about how different he is from modern man, he was too short squinty eyed and had bucked teeth, and wow I thought of every chinese stereotype there was. I seems scientists base what modern man should be on what modern europeans and africans look like now, and seem to ignore all genetic diversity beyond that.


In terms of civilization, my belief is that man kind has not always progressed, but rather progressed and fell, and continued the cycle. A good example is rome, they had running water and toiles, an ancient version of napalm, and many other advancements, yet when rome collapsed europe went into a dark age while the middle east and the surviving east roman empire remained. Point is the simple fall of the western roman empire set mankind back centuries, now imagine this played over and over through history, it becomes a mystery of what pre civilization is when you can not actually show when civilization began, but rather just the oldest remains you can unearth of it.

If man has been around for millions of years; where did he come from?

I'm fine with the idea of him being run into the bush and having apes evolve to mate with him, but where did he then come from?

The Bible refers to the watchers who fell and mated with humans, but what is the mechanism for their appearance and how many civilizations were formed this way?

Seems to me if society advances and finds time travel expensive, maybe a few pioneers time travel with supplies and begin colonies that grow into pre-civilization.

I want to know if geneticists are ignoring or looking for data that would support a merger story.

 

[Exquisitor]

That's why some fictional characters find it so hard to land in the intended spot...

(But more seriously, I doubt any civilization would discover a greater physics that demonstrates time travel is actually possible, build a time machine, but forget that planets, solar systems, galaxies, the expansion of empty space at all points, etc)

When you time travel, you travel through ether which surrounds the planet and calculations may have to be made for universal drift.

 

[Threegoofs]

When you time travel, you travel through ether which surrounds the planet and calculations may have to be made for universal drift.

Ugh!

We always forget to take phlogiston into account!

 

[Mr Person]

Ugh!

We always forget to take phlogiston into account!

Reverse the polarity of the neutron flow!

 

[Mr Person]

the only way that i see it being possible is a simulated universe with cheat codes.

Who knows, who knows...

The main thing we know about physics is that we cannot possibly have the full picture. But, quantum mechanics demands the existence of wormholes (smaller than atoms and, I think, subatomic particles, but it's been a while; they also exist for the tiniest fraction of a fraction of a fraction of a fraction of a fraction of a second) that really do connect different points of space-time.

There's no attempt at a theory that I'm aware of that tries to describe how one might go about capturing, stabalizing, and expand. But, if those are at least possible, well, who knows as long as we don't have the complete picture (and I suspect it is fundamentally impossible to know one has the complete picture, for that would require knowledge greater than the great picture. If that doesn't make sense, consider: the basic idiocy of "intelligent design" re: evolution is that in order to know what must and must not be created by a deity, one must have the deity's level of knowledge. Same for knowing one has the complete picture of physics in this universe).

 

[zyzygy]

If man has been around for millions of years; where did he come from?

I'm fine with the idea of him being run into the bush and having apes evolve to mate with him, but where did he then come from?

The Bible refers to the watchers who fell and mated with humans, but what is the mechanism for their appearance and how many civilizations were formed this way?

Seems to me if society advances and finds time travel expensive, maybe a few pioneers time travel with supplies and begin colonies that grow into pre-civilization.

I want to know if geneticists are ignoring or looking for data that would support a merger story.

None has been found as of even date.

 

[zyzygy]

Reverse the polarity of the neutron flow!

Don't cross the beams!!!!!!

 

[noonereal]

Pre-civilizations spawned by time travelers?

I've been trying to find a common scale between evolution and Earth's pre-history civilizations; where did they come from?

If we just evolved from apes in the last sixty thousand years, where did pre-man come from?

Are Scientology, "I AM", Hare Krishna all wrong?

Did pre-man come from 1) Jumped here and took bodies that would come along 2) Time traveled 3) Dimensional 4) Never existed?

funny that the spacemen did not get here till after the dinosaur were eliminated... what are the odds?

see how ridiculous you spaceman father theory is?

 

[noonereal]

Don't cross the beams!!!!!!

some posters here certainly have crossed beams

 

[Helix]

Who knows, who knows...

The main thing we know about physics is that we cannot possibly have the full picture. But, quantum mechanics demands the existence of wormholes (smaller than atoms and, I think, subatomic particles, but it's been a while; they also exist for the tiniest fraction of a fraction of a fraction of a fraction of a fraction of a second) that really do connect different points of space-time.

There's no attempt at a theory that I'm aware of that tries to describe how one might go about capturing, stabalizing, and expand. But, if those are at least possible, well, who knows as long as we don't have the complete picture (and I suspect it is fundamentally impossible to know one has the complete picture, for that would require knowledge greater than the great picture. If that doesn't make sense, consider: the basic idiocy of "intelligent design" re: evolution is that in order to know what must and must not be created by a deity, one must have the deity's level of knowledge. Same for knowing one has the complete picture of physics in this universe).

the "who knows" part is right. i definitely don't. however, i find it incredibly unlikely that time travelers helped ancient civilizations.

 

[Deuce]

The text books regarding Evolution will tell you that life began from the torrential rains hitting hard against the Mountainside for millions of years, and as mineral deposit started slowly draining into the ocean depths, a chemical primordial complex soup started to percolate, and from a state of nothingness, life began.

In other words they teach that before the Apes, that we came from a bucket of slime from nonliving matter.

It violates the law of conservation of energy and the second law of thermodynamics, meaning it is scientifically impossible what they say predates the Apes. But your question is 'what do they say.'

And what I just told you is what they say verbatim.

Thermodynamics! Why didn't I think of that? You're absolutely right! Life evolving into more complex life and expanding over the entire earth to the green planet we have today would require a tremendous input of energy. Why, you'd need some kind of massive fusion reactor to approach that sort of energy input. Where would that much energy possibly come from? I'm going to go work on my tan while I ponder this conundrum.