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Poveglia is one of the most haunted places in the world

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Poveglia is one of the most haunted places in the world. And for good reason. This small island in the lagoons of Venice once had its own government until it was destroyed by war. It's now part of the sight-seeing tour, but you won't be setting foot on it. Visitors are not permitted. When the bubonic plague swept across Europe, the number of dead and dying in the streets became unbearable. In Venice, the solution came in the form of Poveglia. Bodies were hauled to the island and dumped into large body pits, some were burned. But it became worse. The living victims were taken to the island and disposed into pits of rotting corpses, left to die (or burned) as they painfully died of the black plague. It is said that part of the islands core consists of a layer of human remains and that often fishermen avoid the area because they may pull up body parts...

The war and the plague would seem sufficient cause for ghosts to inhabit this horrible island, and they reportedly did, but a new population was soon to be added. A hospital was built on the island and still stands today, although it is no longer in use. The patients often reported seeing people in their rooms and hearing whispers. One particularly cruel doctor watched his patients succumb to the madness and took an interest in their delusions. He began to experiment with the human mind, physically with his studies of the brain itself, and mentally as he sent the patients to an observation building, where they would be subjected to further torture. The complex also contains a haunted oven room and a morgue. Eventually the doctor began to see the spirits himself and jumped (or was thrown?) from the bell tower to his death. Rumor has it he is now bricked up in that same tower. Some say you can still hear the bell ringing late at night........

You would think skeptics and believers alike would learn their lesson about Poveglia. Whether or not it is a place of evil is unknown, but it certainly does have a history of tragedy. And yet, it is to be used again. If you search hard enough, you will find plans for an educational center to be constructed on the island for tourists. They want to bring families to the island built on restless corpses. It's a horror movie waiting to happen...The island was very black. The only light source was the full moon above us, and the occasional flash of one of us snapping pictures. Three of us had cameras and we were snapping away. The island was eerily silent...no birds, no crickets, no animals, nothing. It was almost surreal.

The boat driver had a floodlight on the front of his boat that he was frantically shining over all of the buildings. You could tell he was extremely scared........

Part 1:

The Story of Poveglia..... - Poveglia's MySpace Blog |

Part 2:

The Story of Poveglia Part II - Poveglia's MySpace Blog |

Dear Atheists! Who from you can sleep here only one night? Maybe you explain what is happend on this island?

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Poveglia: The Island of the Dead

Welcome to the island of no return. The place is known as Poveglia, and to local Venetians, many believe that the island is almost a living, breathing, evil entity. While the island is beautiful by day, many are fearful to enter at night.
About five miles of the coast of Italy is an island that sits much like Alcatraz. More than 100,000 people have perished here. With that many deaths, the souls have nowhere to be free but here.

As you walk through much of the trails, it seems as if the trees are consuming your world. For whatever reason, it’s as if the earth wants to consume you and take you with it. Many Venetians are fearful of speaking about such a place. The atmosphere is very much suffocating, and at times you feel as if you’re unwanted.

The Peste Nera, or “Black Death consumed much of Europe during the 13th century. More than one third of Venice’s population was decimated by it. Within five days, many victims were dead. The bodies began to pile up in the streets. The swollen decay of the dying would be bricked up within their own homes. Anyone who tried to escape would be murdered on the spot.

Victims would be buried in graves called Plague Pits. So many victims began to pile up, that many were hauled into pits, some while still alive. They would then be burned. Since there were so many victims, the solution was to bring the victims to the island of Poveglia.

People were taking against their will. Some alive, some dead. The living were amongst the dead, and even if they were healthy, one would soon die. Because of the piles of dead, many Venetians believed that the dead reached all the way to hell.

Without proper burials, the spirits of these lost souls still linger. Many Venetians are respectful of the dead, and will usually not step foot on this island. In fact, many refuse to go here. Even to ask a Venetian to take you to the island, they not only look at you as if you’re mad, but almost with curiosity. The waters surrounding the island still dredges up the bones of the dead by fishermen.

To make matters worse, a hospital was built on the island for the ill in 1922. The doctor of the hospital performed cruel experiments on the patients because they began to see the dead. The doctor was then pushed from the top of the bell tower by unseen hands. Going by at night, you can actually hear that bell tower toll, though not a single soul is on the creepy land of death.

To step foot on the island is to bring fear to your senses. You walk amongst ash, or what many believe to be human ash. You feel breaths upon your neck; feel your hair stand on end. And at times you often wonder if that’s really screaming that you hear. You also feel an impending danger, and a need to get off the island. At one point you see moving shadows that make you wonder, ”Did I just see that? I sure enough did, and now I need to change my soiled pants.” Needless to say, to go to that place takes immense cojones, and a reserve. You may not believe in ghosts, but there is something about the island that is unnerving and will make you believe in something.

Poveglia: The Island of the Dead | Socyberty
 
I am not an atheist but I would be glad to take an expense paid trip to say the night there.
I ain't afraid of no hokum.
 
I am not an atheist but I would be glad to take an expense paid trip to say the night there.
I ain't afraid of no hokum.

No problem!
You will buy a ticket to Venecia, some money to gondolers!
And....enjoy your holiday. If you suerly can.:mrgreen:
 
No problem!
You will buy a ticket to Venecia, some money to gondolers!
And....enjoy your holiday. If you suerly can.

Not wasting my own money, but if some superstitious dude wanted to prove to me it was haunted by paying my airfare and accommodations, I would be happy to stay there a while.
 
Ok, so Poveglia gets no stars in the Michelin guide.

This matters because....?????
 
I would think fundamentalist Christians would not buy into this stuff considering that if the dead were not saved they would not be interned to Poveglia but would be in hell or if saved they would be heaven.
Seems to me that such phenomena negate the fundamentalist interpretation of the Bible

Moe
 
I would think fundamentalist Christians would not buy into this stuff considering that if the dead were not saved they would not be interned to Poveglia but would be in hell or if saved they would be heaven.
Seems to me that such phenomena negate the fundamentalist interpretation of the Bible

Moe


Right. One fundamentalist Christian perspective coming up. :mrgreen:


I've never been able to quite make up my mind about the whole haunting and ghost thing. On the one hand, I believe the dead go to either Heaven or Hell immediately and don't hang about. This inclines me to call BS on hauntings.

On the other hand, I do believe in the supernatural. There is the story of the Witch of Endor and King Saul, for one of many. It is a Biblical belief that demons and evil spirits do roam the world causing what trouble they may.

I have speculated that ghosts are actually "psychic echoes" of those who once lived, rather than their actual spirits.... or in some cases perhaps evil spirits seeking to cause mischief and mislead people.

I have no firm opinion really... other than to regard 95% of alleged hauntings as examples of (or combinations of) superstition, fraud and gullibility of the human creature.

The other 5% I'm not sure about... but I'd prefer not to get mixed up in any of that sort of thing, I'm fairly sure no good would come of it. :mrgreen:

Even so, Alfons, I don't think this is really a good example to use in attempting to promote Christian beliefs, unless you can prove to me otherwise.
 
Just reading what you posted (will read the blogs later), there's probably little doubt that the place is haunted. I'm not sure what is has to do with atheism. An improper burial is no guarantee of a paranormal activity nor is the opposite a guarantee of no such activity.

Thousands of people suffered there and met their demise. Are the recent issues actual spirits or residual emotions? It would be interesting if a respectable group did research there rather than a stupid team like TAPS or Yvette and her merry band from Most Haunted. Either way, sounds like a fun place.
 
Right. One fundamentalist Christian perspective coming up. :mrgreen:


I've never been able to quite make up my mind about the whole haunting and ghost thing. On the one hand, I believe the dead go to either Heaven or Hell immediately and don't hang about. This inclines me to call BS on hauntings.

On the other hand, I do believe in the supernatural. There is the story of the Witch of Endor and King Saul, for one of many. It is a Biblical belief that demons and evil spirits do roam the world causing what trouble they may.

I have speculated that ghosts are actually "psychic echoes" of those who once lived, rather than their actual spirits.... or in some cases perhaps evil spirits seeking to cause mischief and mislead people.

I have no firm opinion really... other than to regard 95% of alleged hauntings as examples of (or combinations of) superstition, fraud and gullibility of the human creature.

The other 5% I'm not sure about... but I'd prefer not to get mixed up in any of that sort of thing, I'm fairly sure no good would come of it. :mrgreen:

Even so, Alfons, I don't think this is really a good example to use in attempting to promote Christian beliefs, unless you can prove to me otherwise.


I do not believe that passed away believers go to heaven. I believe that paradise still exists and that is where the departed people of God go to await the resurrection. I do not believe in a burning flaming hell but I do believe in a hell of suffering . The bible teaches that Satan is the prince of this world and the spirits of the air. This is his realm at the current time. As far as I can see there no reason for me to not believe that some of these so called hauntings are not actually real and that these people are actually in hell.

Moe
 
I do not believe that passed away believers go to heaven. I believe that paradise still exists and that is where the departed people of God go to await the resurrection. I do not believe in a burning flaming hell but I do believe in a hell of suffering . The bible teaches that Satan is the prince of this world and the spirits of the air. This is his realm at the current time. As far as I can see there no reason for me to not believe that some of these so called hauntings are not actually real and that these people are actually in hell.

Moe

Then how do you explain friendly hauntings?
 
Then how do you explain friendly hauntings?


By friendly haunting do you mean spirits of innocent victims etc? I believe there is much more to death than the narrow Christian organized religion perspective of us only and no others. There is the possibility that the presence of a powerful evil spirit may actually hold a good spirit here.

A reverse example of this is found in Daniel. Daniel was in prayer for three weeks seeking an answer.

Da 10:12 Then said he unto me, Fear not, Daniel: for from the first day that thou didst set thine heart to understand, and to chasten thyself before thy God, thy words were heard, and I am come for thy words.
Da 10:13 But the prince of the kingdom of Persia withstood me one and twenty days: but, lo, Michael, one of the chief princes, came to help me; and I remained there with the kings of Persia.

The Angel informs Daniel that the prayer was heard instantly but a demon hindered the messenger from reaching Daniel. This demon was so powerful that Michael had to come and help him. Michael is believed to be the most powerful of the Angels and it took them both to subdue the demon.

So if these two powerful spirit beings were detained from entering our realm then the possibility exists that a human spirit at death may hindered by an evil spirit that has a close connection to it.

But there is just too much we really do not know. That is why Jesus said,

Joh 3:12 If I have told you earthly things, and ye believe not, how shall ye believe, if I tell you of heavenly things?

Moe
 
Friendly like people's late family members or friends coming back to say good-bye. Friendly like a spirit who intervenes and stops a living person from getting into a fatal accident. Those sort of spirits.
 
Friendly like people's late family members or friends coming back to say good-bye. Friendly like a spirit who intervenes and stops a living person from getting into a fatal accident. Those sort of spirits.

The bible states that we are surrounded by a cloud of witnesses.

Heb 12:1 Wherefore seeing we also are compassed about * with so great a cloud of witnesses, let us lay aside every weight, and the sin which doth so easily beset us, and let us run with patience the race that is set before us,

The witnesses spoken of are all the faith hero’s of the Old Testament listed in Heb 11. They are not in some far off place but rather we are encompassed by them. So according to scripture the departed are very near us. So if a person really needed some kind of closure then it is not unrealistic that as an act of mercy they may be permitted to manifest themselves.

The Bible forbids using a medium to communicate with the dead. Most Christians are taught that this is because you cannot communicate with the dead. It is simply Satan using demons to impersonate the dead. But it would be more accurate to say you may conjure a demon rather than the definite you will. Thus there is great danger in such things and it should be avoided.

The organized church will try to use the witch of En-Dor story of the conjuring of Samuel as proof of conjuring brings forth a demon. But there is no such reference in the verses at all that a demon was conjured. The bible clearly states it was Samuel.

As an aside but somewhat related evidence the church also states that there is no reincarnation. But Jesus plainly states,

Mt 11:13 For all the prophets and the law prophesied until John.
Mt 11:14 And if ye will receive it, this is Elias, which was for to come.

So we have at least one case of reincarnation mentioned in the bible. So again, It appears from scripture that the church “ THIS IS HOW IT IS” teaching really is not exactly how it really is according to scripture

Moe
 
Well, I guess I can agree w/the Bible then because there's no direct line to the spirit of your choice. If you open up to see the departed, you don't really know who will take the opportunity to say hello. I've had to be very careful.

What do you think, Moe?
 
Standing still during extended exposures for the win.
 
Well, I guess I can agree w/the Bible then because there's no direct line to the spirit of your choice. If you open up to see the departed, you don't really know who will take the opportunity to say hello. I've had to be very careful.

What do you think, Moe?

I believe any dealings in the occult are very dangerous if not deadly. Has nothing to do with the bible either. I had a friend back in the 80’s that had been influenced by the Books of Carlos Castanada and Mexican sorcery. He had a demonic encounter that changed him forever and not for the better. It scared the living crap out of him and from that time on he seemed somewhat damaged mentally. Mild paranoia. If you are not familiar with Castanada,

[ame=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carlos_Castaneda]Carlos Castaneda - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/ame]

For me personally I would question any encounter with a deceased person very seriously. And as to reincarnation, I am not supporting the eastern religion concept of reincarnation. What the bible is showing us is that God will use whatever means he deems necessary to get his point/message across.

Moe
 
I believe any dealings in the occult are very dangerous if not deadly. Has nothing to do with the bible either. I had a friend back in the 80’s that had been influenced by the Books of Carlos Castanada and Mexican sorcery. He had a demonic encounter that changed him forever and not for the better. It scared the living crap out of him and from that time on he seemed somewhat damaged mentally. Mild paranoia. If you are not familiar with Castanada,

Carlos Castaneda - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

For me personally I would question any encounter with a deceased person very seriously. And as to reincarnation, I am not supporting the eastern religion concept of reincarnation. What the bible is showing us is that God will use whatever means he deems necessary to get his point/message across.

Moe

Thanks for the link.

You're right about the occult. It's not a game one plays with without precautions. Well, it's not a game.

If you believe that God will use whatever means necessary to get His message across, do you believe those means could come in spirit form?
 
Thanks for the link.

You're right about the occult. It's not a game one plays with without precautions. Well, it's not a game.

If you believe that God will use whatever means necessary to get His message across, do you believe those means could come in spirit form?


According to the bible God uses several different methods and one of those is Angels which are spiritual beings. Of course if this spiritual being is counseling to cause harm to yourself or to another human being or encouraging any kind of violent or destructive behavior or any other behavior contrary to the message of Christ in the Gospels then this is not a messenger from God.

Moe
 
when younger with my two brothers we used to visit the most haunted sights in the UK.

This was the nearest to where we lived at the time, before it was restored we spent a number of nights therePlas Teg, Pontblyddyn, Mold, CH7 4HN

In later life I was part owner of two cotton mills, one about 300yrs old, the other which I still live in is 120yrs old, both reputed to be haunted.

Ghosts like Religion are a load of old bollocks.
 
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