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Kushinator said:

They will likely just hide it from you.

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Oh, but then we won't achieve the dream of them being ho hum, since they are hiding them. But, don't worry, most likely they won't ever use them, like I never did.

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jmotivator said:

So you are trying to correlate increased marijuana use in teens with lower crime rate now? I'd bet the lower crime rate has something to do with the increased suspensions and expulsions. Send the douchebags home and they aren't robbing kids in school anymore.

In case you missed it, there is more then a casual correlation between substance abuse and criminal behavior...




More people are being expelled for drug reasons. What does it matter is all other reasons are on the decline? If anything I find that fact accentuates the problem of increased drug use in school.



Straw man argument. I never said kids won't do drugs in they are illegal. In fact I said the exact opposite on this very thread. What I DID say was that marijuana use among children has and will increase as a result of marijuana legalization. If you really agree that kids shouldn't do drugs then you shouldn't be supporting a law that clearly increases drug use among children... but you are anyway... so I have to doubt your actual commitment to that stance in principle because in practice you support policy that directly contributes to higher drug use among children.



I have quite a keen grasp of reality. I credit most of it to all those years I spent in school not doing drugs.

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All I did was show that your hysteria is bull****. Things as a whole aren't getting worse, they're getting better, and drug use is increasing everywhere.

Anthony60 said:

You seem to be saying that the bad things that went down were due to the other bad things that went up. Is that about right? And the proof of that is where? Or you forgot that part? So we should be trying to increase drug use now? Sorry, I am just missing the brilliance here.

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I have no idea where you got any of that. What I was showing was that the OP hysteria that all of our kids are now ****ed and more are getting expelled is ridiculous. Despite an increase in drug usage we see almost every other category going down.

Drug usage is going up EVERYWHERE. The drug war is not working, time to try something else.

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jmotivator said:

Pot problems in Colorado schools increase with legalization - The Denver Post

"GRAND JUNCTION — In two years of work as an undercover officer with a drug task force, Mike Dillon encountered plenty of drugs. But nothing has surprised him as much as what he has seen in schools lately.

Dillon, who is now a school resource officer with the Mesa County Sheriff's Department, said he is seeing more and younger kids bringing marijuana to schools, in sometimes-surprising quantities.

"When we have middle school kids show up with a half an ounce, that is shocking to me," Dillon said."


Who could have foreseen this? It's a mystery... :roll:

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Wait until they start raiding the local taco bell

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jmotivator said:

Like I said, the director of the Colorado department that tracks that data had no trouble reporting that 32% of expulsions were for marijuana (out of 41% that were drug related), so obviously they do track this. It also makes perfect sense that they track that data since they need to know what kinds of drugs kids are doing to appropriately counter that trend.

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Well, no it's not obvious. All it shows is that the director was willing to say that. Whether or not it is true is another matter.

No, it shows that pot is by far the most abused drug among young people. So what drug do you think is on the rise among teens in a state that just legalized marijuana?

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Unlike you, I am unwilling to base policy on the basis of speculation.

That is a nationwide trend, so don't expect to see Colorado's problems front and center. There is a noticeable decline in children's perception of the harmfulness of marijuana which, as the chart shows, leads to higher marijuana use.

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And again, since it's nationwide, it says nothing about how the CO laws have affected those #'s.

Let me know when you have some hard evidence that pot use among school kids has increased due to the legalization of pot in CO. Until you have something, you've got nothing

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RabidAlpaca said:

All I did was show that your hysteria is bull****. Things as a whole aren't getting worse, they're getting better, and drug use is increasing everywhere.

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You are arguing that the tip of the iceberg is the whole iceberg. Drug related disciplinary actions are up in Colorado because drug use is up in Colorado schools. Drug use in school spiked coinciding with the proliferation of pot dispensaries in the state. Pot use during brain development is a known contributor to a wide range of psychological and learning impairments. And you argue it is "only 5%". You are the one arguing bull**** here, RA.

By your argument we shouldn't really worry about colon cancer because it only affects 1% of the population.

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jmotivator said:

Do you have statistics on this? Has drinking become boring to high schoolers?

And Netherlands is currently rethinking its marijuana laws because of the detrimental effect it is having on there country. Turns out potheads aren't such a great element even when smoking legally. Again, who knew?!

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Authoritarian conservatives are having a detrimental effect on our country... But I don't advocate making your existence illegal.

Why am I having to tell a conservative about personal responsibility?

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sangha said:

Well, no it's not obvious. All it shows is that the director was willing to say that. Whether or not it is true is another matter.

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Sure, keep arguing that.

Drug use up in Colorado schools coinciding with legalization of Marijuana [cited]... marijuana is the most abused drug among school children [cited]... studies show an increase in medical marijuana addiction among children in Denver drug treatment facilities ... police officials report an increase in marijuana use among Colorado school children [cited]... school officials report and increase in marijuana use among school children [cited] ... the director of the Colorado School Safety Resource Center say the increase in school expulsion is from marijuana use [cited]...

But yeah, probably Vicodin abuse... :roll:

Unlike you, I am unwilling to base policy on the basis of speculation.

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Oh man, spit my coffee out! You are the person who supports any number of speculative policy endeavors from Obamacare to Drug legalization. The entirety of Liberal Progressive policy is based on speculation.

And again, since it's nationwide, it says nothing about how the CO laws have affected those #'s.

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*sigh* This is how statistics work. General trends can be used to infer smaller group trends, but smaller groups can't be used to infer more general trends.

Let me know when you have some hard evidence that pot use among school kids has increased due to the legalization of pot in CO. Until you have something, you've got nothing

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I have let you know. You are just unwilling to accept it.

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poweRob said:

Authoritarian conservatives are having a detrimental effect on our country... But I don't advocate making your existence illegal.

Why am I having to tell a conservative about personal responsibility?

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Says the supporter of federally mandated health insurance.

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annata said:

we don't talk honestly about drugs in this country. Too many special interests, from Big Pharma to Law Enforcement.

Some things you just have to understand by experience, and digging out the thruth, or the different sides to a debate.
for Kids, we just tell them, they don't have enough real world experience to know the spin on things.

I agree some honesty would go a long way, I remember thinking "well they lied to me about grass, they're lying to me about ALL drugs"
Later on as my friends died from overdoses, i found out all drugs aren't the same.

Would help to just educate, and not lie to kids. "this is your brain on drugs" kinna ridiculous ads.

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I used to do mandatory volunteer work for a substance abuse clinic that took in young teens as part of the town's "scared straight" program after I had a run in with the law. I said all the stuff in the packet like I was supposed to, and when the councilor left, I put the packet down and told them what they really needed to hear. I'd like to think I helped at least one of them.

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jmotivator said:

Sure, keep arguing that.

Drug use up in Colorado schools coinciding with legalization of Marijuana [cited]... marijuana is the most abused drug among school children [cited]... studies show an increase in medical marijuana addiction among children in Denver drug treatment facilities ... police officials report an increase in marijuana use among Colorado school children [cited]... school officials report and increase in marijuana use among school children [cited] ... the director of the Colorado School Safety Resource Center say the increase in school expulsion is from marijuana use [cited]...

But yeah, probably Vicodin abuse... :roll:






Oh man, spit my coffee out! You are the person who supports any number of speculative policy endeavors from Obamacare to Drug legalization. The entirety of Liberal Progressive policy is based on speculation.





*sigh* This is how statistics work. General trends can be used to infer smaller group trends, but smaller groups can't be used to infer more general trends.



I have let you know. You are just unwilling to accept it.

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IOW, you still don't have any credible data that pot use is up amongst school kids since pot was legalized in CO

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jmotivator said:

It's more than just the one story.

Your statistics aren't significant that show a decrease in teen useage. Moreover, the teen usage statistics are collected on teens in school, so the statistics you cite that show a decline are actually catching the signal of the higher expulsion rate.

Expulsion of teens for marijuana is up 25% in Colorado since they began legalizing pot, 29% in total.

But you know, don't listen to the police and the teachers and the doctors... we need to be listening to the studies created and presented by the pot lobby. :roll:

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Actually it shows an utter failure on the part of both police and teachers. Whenever there is a new law where it's anticipated some folks are going to get it wrong, especially the kids, the police need to do a public service campaign and in this case, the teachers need to step up and educate about the law too. Obviously for all their clairvoyance, both groups failed to do squat and left the kids out there to be busted.

That smacks more of "I told you so" policing and education and an utter fail.

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Kal'Stang said:

Only problem with this is that this was a de-regulation. Why would a cop specifically set out to find more when it has become legal?

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Pot being legal and it being decriminalized are two entirely different things. It's not legal to drink alcohol/smoke weed if you're a minor. It's actually a crime. It's not a criminal activity if you're an adult.

So now, instead of the state simply saying "weed is illegal" it has made anybody who breaks any current and future regulation on its consumption, production and sales a criminal. Whereas before, you had no reason to even report your consumption, growth and sales to the state, now you effectively do if you don't want to get busted. Which means any violation will result in either fines or prison time and the creation of new criminals.

As far as the OP goes, cops are probably working overtime now to find more kids using weed. They'll need to make up for the loss of income to local the correctional system.

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Kushinator said:

Cool story bro

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True too.

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Helix said:

some of them. definitely failed pot prohibition, though.

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What happens when everybody thinks like you? That being support the laws they support.

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ItAin'tFree said:

What happens when everybody thinks like you? That being support the laws they support.

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Policies based on racism and lies will be revoked.

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jmotivator said:

There is a noticeable decline in children's perception of the harmfulness of marijuana which, as the chart shows, leads to higher marijuana use.

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I have gone up against both supporters of marijuana decriminalization and supporters of criminalization on this. Can you tell which harmful side effects marijuana has that can't be obtained from either house hold products, alcohol or cigarettes?

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poweRob said:

Authoritarian conservatives are having a detrimental effect on our country... But I don't advocate making your existence illegal.

Why am I having to tell a conservative about personal responsibility?

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Hahahahahaha LOLOLOLOL :lamo

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poweRob said:

Authoritarian conservatives are having a detrimental effect on our country... But I don't advocate making your existence illegal.

Why am I having to tell a conservative about personal responsibility?

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Also I should point out that your drug legalization scheme has absolutely nothing to do with personal responsibility. You would have the state nurse these derelicts through the rest of their lives rather than slap the bong out of their hand.

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Hatuey said:

I have gone up against both supporters of marijuana decriminalization and supporters of criminalization on this. Can you tell which harmful side effects marijuana has that can't be obtained from either house hold products, alcohol or cigarettes?

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While this line of argument is ultimately pointless as we don't legalize anything else of on the grounds that it's negative effects can be encountered elsewhere (ie. "Well, since bleach is poisonous why not sell arsenic?"), marijuana does have serious side effects on brain chemistry in children, especially in kids with certain genetic predispositions to the psychological effects. Alcohol and cigarettes don't lead to schizophrenia, for example, while the evidence shows show that marijuana can.

As I have pointed out here in other discussions on marijuana, I spent a decade as a social worker working with drug addicts of all types, and marijuana addiction is one of the hardest to deal with because of this altered state of awareness that so many abusers show. Even in the moderate users there was a strong trend in pot abusers for hallucination, memory loss, and paranoia that made it especially hard to assist them. It is a mean drug and a deceptive drug. It fools people into thinking it is a harmless, soothing remedy for their stress all while being the leading contributor to their stress when sober.

I dealt with a few alcoholics who abused it bad enough to develop Korsakoff's Syndrome, but it was very rare, and didn't lead to breaks with reality like I saw in schizophrenia patients, and not at the rates of the cannabis abusers.

A recent review of 120 medical studies has confirmed what many of us who worked with addicts already knew: Marijuana does terrible things to the brain of the abusers, especially teenagers.

But, ya know... if it means that a few more people can avoid jail while rotting their brain then it was all worth it.

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clownboy said:

Actually it shows an utter failure on the part of both police and teachers. Whenever there is a new law where it's anticipated some folks are going to get it wrong, especially the kids, the police need to do a public service campaign and in this case, the teachers need to step up and educate about the law too. Obviously for all their clairvoyance, both groups failed to do squat and left the kids out there to be busted.

That smacks more of "I told you so" policing and education and an utter fail.

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But they can't do that because the the idiotic cannabis propaganda machine is pushing legalization on the grounds that it is a harmless miracle plant that mellows you out, cures cancer, replace gasoline and makes a fine pair of pants. If the truth had broken through the pothead bull**** then the stuff wouldn't have been legalized in the first place.

Also, many kids tend to gravitate towards the "get high, be cool" sell of the cannabis lobby than to the "stay in school, don't do drugs" message of the sane people.

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jmotivator said:

But they can't do that because the the idiotic cannabis propaganda machine is pushing legalization on the grounds that it is a harmless miracle plant that mellows you out, cures cancer, replace gasoline and makes a fine pair of pants. If the truth had broken through the pothead bull**** then the stuff wouldn't have been legalized in the first place.

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The prohibition was based on racist lies about Mexicans. I guess people don't like being lied to.

So take heart, because once the horrific secret truth of how terribly harmful marijuana use is, we'll no doubt reject it thoroughly as a culture.

Until then, we can only hope the devil weed won't claim our children.

It might help if they had a single credible study that recommended it be prohibited in the first place.

I like Schaffer's Library of Drug Policy. They have texts of just about every major study of drug abuse ever conducted, going back to 1894.

Not one recommends prohibition.

Maybe you know of some upcoming studies that will blow them all out the water, but your statistical correlation with mental illness ain't it.

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WillyPete said:

The prohibition was based on racist lies about Mexicans. I guess people don't like being lied to.

So take heart, because once the horrific secret truth of how terribly harmful marijuana use is, we'll no doubt reject it thoroughly as a culture.

Until then, we can only hope the devil weed won't claim our children.

It might help if they had a single credible study that recommended it be prohibited in the first place.

I like Schaffer's Library of Drug Policy. They have texts of just about every major study of drug abuse ever conducted, going back to 1894.

Not one recommends prohibition.

Maybe you know of some upcoming studies that will blow them all out the water, but your statistical correlation with mental illness ain't it.

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I'll just post this here again for you.

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jmotivator said:

I'll just post this here again for you.

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Thank you. This article makes my point better than I did:

'The question is not about whether cannabis is good or bad, but who is more likely to suffer from problems.'
—Dr. Didier Jutras-Aswad, Université de Montréal

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Some studies have also found links between early cannabis use and schizophrenia, but Jutras-Aswad says it seems clear there is a wide risk profile that includes genetics and behavioural traits in addition to age.

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A "wide risk profile" means that there are so many factors related to schizophrenia that there is no way to tell whether marijuana use is significant. It's a statistical phantom until your side can prove otherwise.

Over a century of research hasn't managed it, but we're learning new things all the time.

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jmotivator said:

While this line of argument is ultimately pointless as we don't legalize anything else of on the grounds that it's negative effects can be encountered elsewhere (ie. "Well, since bleach is poisonous why not sell arsenic?"), marijuana does have serious side effects on brain chemistry in children, especially in kids with certain genetic predispositions to the psychological effects. Alcohol and cigarettes don't lead to schizophrenia, for example, while the evidence shows show that marijuana can.

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Okay, so we're banning things because in the long run they're harmful? Yes?

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American said:

Hahahahahaha LOLOLOLOL :lamo

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Conservatives... predominantly Republicans, are nothing but authoritarians. They are THE authoritarians. This is why I respect real Libertarians becuase they are actually the conservatives that are not authoritarians.