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Pot Kills.

Pot kills slowly over time and it kills via overdose in one-sitting.

Here are the facts.

Here is a link to a review board of competent medical professionals presenting with accuracy and veracity the deadly reality about pot in the links that follow: Medical Review Board
a team of board certified physicians and certified health professionals from leading institutions


From The Health Effects of Marijuana:
Although legalization activists and many marijuana users believe smoking pot has no negative effects, scientific research indicates that marijuana use can cause many different health problems.
Pot kills in many ways that legalization activists deny to make it easier to get stoned if pot's legal.


When smoked, it begins to effect users almost immediately
The moment it's inhaled, pot immediately begins damaging one's health.


When it is eaten in food, such as baked in brownies and cookies, the effects take longer to begin, but usually last longer.
Whether smoked or injested, pot is damaging.


Short-Term Effects
The short-term effects of marijuana include:
•Distorted perception (sights, sounds, time, touch)

•Problems with memory and learning

•Loss of coordination

•Trouble with thinking and problem-solving

•Increased heart rate, reduced blood pressure

Sometimes marijuana use can also produce anxiety, fear, distrust, or panic.
Just the damage to perception pot causes is really bad. "Trouble thinking and problem solving", "distorted perception", "anxiety, fear, distrust, panic" .. that's paranoia. Indeed pot users exhibit paranoid behavior.


When high doses of marijuana are used, usually when eaten in food rather than smoked, users can experience the following symptoms:


•Hallucinations

•Delusions

•Impaired memory

•Disorientation
Pot damages brain functions. Short or long -term, pot kills brain cells, creating dysfunctional behavior, immediately, and over time.


Effects on the Heart
Within a few minutes after smoking marijuana, the heart begins beating more rapidly and the blood pressure drops. Marijuana can cause the heart beat to increase by 20 to 50 beats per minute, and can increase even more if other drugs are used at the same time.
Because of the lower blood pressure and higher heart rate, researchers found that users' risk for a heart attack is four times higher within the first hour after smoking marijuana, compared to their general risk of heart attack when not smoking.
Pot can cause heart attacks; it's a deadly health risk.


Scientists have found that regular marijuana smokers can experience the same respiratory problems as tobacco smokers do, including:

•Daily cough and phlegm production
•More frequent acute chest illnesses
•Increased risk of lung infections
•Obstructed airways
Pot creates overall deadly bad health in its abuser.


Marijuana contains more carcinogenic hydrocarbons than tobacco smoke and because marijuana smokers typically inhale deeper and hold the smoke in their lungs longer than tobacco smokers, their lungs are exposed to those carcinogenic properties longer, when smoking.

marijuana smoke contains three times the amount of tar found in tobacco smoke and 50 percent more carcinogens, it would seem logical to deduce that there is an increased risk of lung cancer for marijuana smokers
Yes, pot's way worse than tobacco per toke, another deadly aspect of pot.


Research indicates that THC impairs the body's immune system from fighting disease, which can cause a wide variety of health problems. One study found that marijuana actually inhibited the disease-preventing actions of key immune cells. Another study found that THC increased the risk of developing bacterial infections and tumors.
Pot hampers the immune system, increasing risk of infections and tumors. Deadly!


Several studies have found that children born to mothers who used marijuana during pregnancy exhibit some problems with neurological development. According to those studies, prenatal marijuana exposure can cause:

•Altered responses to visual stimuli
•Increased tremulousness
•Problems with sustained attention and memory
•Poor problem-solving skills
Our kids infamously suffer from pot damage. No wonder responsible parents and grandparents want to keep pot illegal, as legalization is sanctioning and condoning pot use, and no responsible parent or grandparent would ever do that to their kids!


The valid authorities speak out on another deadly aspect of pot: How Does Marijuana Affect Driving?
Marijuana has serious harmful effects on the skills required to drive safely

In one study conducted in Memphis, TN, researchers found that, of 150 reckless drivers who were tested for drugs at the arrest scene, 33 percent tested positive for marijuana, and 12 percent tested positive for both marijuana and cocaine.

Data have also shown that while smoking marijuana, people show the same lack of coordination on standard "drunk driver" tests as do people who have had too much to drink.

These effects can last up to 24 hours after smoking marijuana. Marijuana use can make it difficult to judge distances and react to signals and sounds on the road.
Thus driving while stoned -- meaning for up to 24 hours from initial use, or the long-term-use damage of "perpetually stoned" -- most certainly kills people in traffic accidents, as millions who've lost loved-ones in this way sadly know.


Regarding memory damage, the valid authorities say: Long-Term Marijuana Use Affects Memory
Long-term marijuana use causes memory, speed of thinking and other cognitive abilities get worse over time, but cognitive abilities are also affected in short-term pot smokers who use marijuana frequently.
Pot-abusers can't think straight!


And the risk to teens from pot: Teen Brains Damaged by Heavy Marijuana Smoking
In spite of continued claims by marijuana proponents that the drug is harmless, researchers keep finding ways that it harms the body. A new study from the Children's Hospital of Philadelphia using imagining technology has found visible damage in the developing brains of teenagers who are heavy marijuana smokers.
Brain damage in teens. Pot advocates don't care about our teens, they just care about getting stoned.


The valid authorities present the social ineptness caused by pot abuse: Heavy Marijuana Use Affects Learning, Social Skills
A vast amount of scientific research has shown that heavy marijuana use negatively affects smokers' learning abilities and social skills, causing problems in their daily lives and compounding their existing problems.
Yes, a vast amount of scientific research backs the authorized presentations, that the social skill of telling the truth is compromised by smoking pot.


As to the delusions suffered by pot smokers accurately presented above, that means, according to the valid authorities: Delusions -- Definition of Delusions
A delusion is a false belief that is firmly held even when direct evidence that the belief is false is presented to a person.
Thus regardless of the valid scientific evidence is presented to pot-heads, they will simply deny it due to their pot-induced delusions.


Persecutory – delusions in which the central theme is that the person is being watched, attacked, or harassed (e.g., someone believing that he is being followed by government agents)
"The big bad government is out to get me" persecution complex of pot-heads is also quite famous, a brain-damaging effect of pot.


And more damaging pot effects, including pot's addictive property: Marijuana use and its effects
Contrary to what many pot smokers may tell you, marijuana is addictive, at least psychologically. Even among occasional users, one in 12 can feel withdrawal symptoms if they can't get high when they want to. Among heavy pot smokers, the rates of dependence are higher.

Many experts also believe that marijuana is physically addictive. Symptoms of withdrawal from pot might include:

aggression
anxiety
depressed mood
decreased appetite
Pot addicts deny pot is psychologically addictive and that more recent research implicates some physically addictive properties of THC. But, they're addicts! One would expect them to be in denial. Pot addicts either delusionally or manipulatiely don't tell the truth about the damage pot causes.


Most of the damage done to the user from pot is degenerative in disease-nature. When degenerative disease commences, in this case with the first toke ever taken by the pot abuser, unless treated to reversal, degenerative disease is ultimately always fatal. Pot is most certainly deadly, and most brain-cell damage is irreversible.

But some of the damage caused by pot is death by over-dose, despite the myth spread by pot abusers that such "never" happens. Here's one of the long-known myth-busters: local law enforcement reports from coroners. Marijuana-Only Drug Abuse Deaths 2002 -- this proves that it's a myth that pot "never" causes immediate one-sitting death to the pot abuser, a myth spread by, who else: pot abusers. Just look at the "Single Drug Marijuana Deaths" column at the 2002 chart at the bottom: 157 deaths from pot over-dose alone!. And that's just in the small subset of selected cities in 2002 alone. Add the whole world up over time and clearly millions of over-dose pot-only drug-abuse deaths have occurred, all attempted to be covered up by NORML and other pot-legalization groups!

And if over-dose-death from pot-abuse doesn't directly kill the abuser, suffocation from passing out and basic chemical poisoning can, sadly too often, occur, and then it will show up in local reports like this one: Unintentional Injuries In Allegheny County 2000-2005. This report shows that there are a number of ways pot-abuse can kill you in one sitting!

And Wiki corroborates the valid authorities that pot kills so many human abiliities, not just one's very life: Effects of Cannabis. The delusions, lying and other forms of not telling the truth, driving impairment, neurological damage, etc. are all caused by pot!

And, considering that the common form of pot today is "skunk", and that skunk is 30 times stronger than the kind of pot from the '60s, smoking one joint today, which is the "normal" daily fix of the drug, is like smoking a full 30 joints back then! Obviously that's gonna cause great damage .. or death!

Yes, clearly, pot kills, both the abusers and those around them:

Pilot In Crash Had Marijuana In His System

Autopsy report: Man died of fall from Oread roof, had alcohol and marijuana in system

Coroner's report: Lewis had marijuana in system – remember, as presented above, pot causes the heart to accelerate "20 to 50 bpm" faster .. "risk for a heart attack is four times higher" when doing pot, as we now know.

Marijuana in skydiver's system Report says he smoked 2 hours before fatal fall.

Slaying suspect used cocaine, pot.

Marijuana found in 3 Coral Springs teens killed in crash, reports say.

Pot smoking linked to [car] crash.

.. And millions more.

(Continued in post 2 of this thread.)
 
(Continued from post 1 of this thread.)

So, yes, pot kills, undeniably.

One cannot rationally, soberly question the competency, currency, accuracy and veracity of the valid authorities presenting how pot kills.

Those who deny the truth these valid authorities tell are simply not believable because of their association with a drug and its culture that prevents its users from telling the truth.

Those who deny the obviously deadly damage pot does could likely be suffering symptomatically from pot damage, unable to discern reality from drug-damaged fantasy.

Considering the effects, both long and short -term of pot, brain damage, distortion, paranoia, et al, we can't trust as truthful anything a pot advocate just says in defense of pot, can we? We really can't, not rationally!

The veracity of legalization advocates is similarly questionable, as though they may present a litany of why the drug war "can't succeed", such is likely just double-talk by drug abusers who don't care about issues of fighting the necessary battle to keep deadly drugs from our kids and grandkids, as what they really want is just an easier less legal-hassled path to get stoned.

So legalization advocates may not be playing with a full deck of mental faculties, presenting distortions, false accusations against the authorities and other paranoid manifestations that pot clearly causes.

They'll link to sites that have purposely controverted reality (NORML, and other pro-pot apologetics), links to way outdated stuff that has been since scientifically refuted, divert and digress about absolute nothings regarding the truthful presentation of the valid authorities on the matter, present minimizing distortions about the drug's effect, compare pot to anything from alcohol to walking down the street irrationally concluding that "everything is dangerous", etc. Of course, all of those are meaningless, lacking in relevance and validity, and thus fail to refute the obvious reality that pot kills.

So, because it's crystal clear that pot kills, I can't help but wonder how any discussion in the matter could ever, ever give credence to the pro-pot-abusers' presentations?

It makes sense, doesn't it, considering the rational applicable questions as to the state of mind of pot-abusing proponents, that their opinion can't be trusted, and also, how can we tell the difference between someone brain-damged by pot and someone just concerned about the socioeconomics-geopolitics of making pot legal? Both their arguments sound the same!

"I'm telling the truth" spoken by a pot addict could likely be either an unintentional delusion or an intentional distortion, obviously.

Yes, if the brain itself, the very instrument by which truthful rational argumentation is made, is damaged (by pot!) to the likely degree it can't present the truth of the matter, how can those who are naturally suspect -- pot advocates -- of having suffered the brain-damaging effects of pot, be trusted not to be suffering from such brain damage and be presenting a rational argument? They simply can't -- they can't be trusted in that manner.

I really don't see, given the huge list of brain-damage pot causes, how we an logically rationally give any pot-advocate who is arguing against the irrefutable deadliness of pot any credence at all.

For if any two given people are arguing in favor of pot use and legalization, how do you tell the difference between the conflict of interest brain-damaged drug addict who just wants it to be easier to get his fix and the pure socioeconomic-geopolitical presenter who isn't suffering from drug-induced brain damage? Both their arguments sound identical!

Clearly this matter is now settled.

The valid authorities in health, medicine and psychology have presented the irrefutable deadliness of pot, and their accuracy, qualification and veracity is simply not rationally questioned.

The qualification veracity and presentation accuracy of pot advocates and those so-called authorities that NORML buys off? Obviously, always, suspect. :lol:

The issue is settled.

Pot kills! :cool:
 
I love it when people claim that pot causes hallucinations.
 
Jesus God...

Ontologuy, I challenge you to produce a 10-word post, only 10 words, not a single extra. Call it a brevity challenge. And I will give you the exact 10 words you can use. Rank the following substances in order of their potential to harm the user, starting with #1 as the most harmful. Here are your 10 words (listed in alphabetical order, so as not to influence your ranking):

Alcohol, Barbiturates, Benzodiazepines, Cannabis, Cocaine, Hallucinogens, Inhalants, Methamphetamines, Opioids, Tobacco.

Go.
 
Jesus God...

Ontologuy, I challenge you to produce a 10-word post, only 10 words, not a single extra. Call it a brevity challenge. And I will give you the exact 10 words you can use. Rank the following substances in order of their potential to harm the user, starting with #1 as the most harmful. Here are your 10 words (listed in alphabetical order, so as not to influence your ranking):

Alcohol, Barbiturates, Benzodiazepines, Cannabis, Cocaine, Hallucinogens, Inhalants, Methamphetamines, Opioids, Tobacco.

Go.
Your irrelevant appeal to form fails, as it ignores substance. ;)
 
For the sake of the argument lets say that nothing you mentioned is being disputed and are all factually correct. I am unsure how this should change anything or be used as an argument to keep it illegal. I do not think recreational drug use and the potential side affects are going to be the demise of american health or the downfall of our society. I believe our food supply which is largely ignored and completely legal will eventually be the true culprit in american citizens health. So while people will scream and yell about pot they often remain completely ignorant to the things they themselves are ingesting.
 
Ontology, you'll never make any headway using overblown claims like the one in your Op. Fine by me if you don't want to use any mood-altering substances, don't want your kids to use them, etc.

But making these ridiculous and patently false claims -- like that marijuana use can cause death -- just marks you out as a silly person.

What is your real objection to this fairly benign plant?
 
Pot Kills.

Pot kills slowly over time and it kills via overdose in one-sitting.

Here are the facts.

Here is a link to a review board of competent medical professionals presenting with accuracy and veracity the deadly reality about pot in the links that follow: Medical Review Board


From The Health Effects of Marijuana: Pot kills in many ways that legalization activists deny to make it easier to get stoned if pot's legal.


The moment it's inhaled, pot immediately begins damaging one's health.


Whether smoked or injested, pot is damaging.


Just the damage to perception pot causes is really bad. "Trouble thinking and problem solving", "distorted perception", "anxiety, fear, distrust, panic" .. that's paranoia. Indeed pot users exhibit paranoid behavior.


Pot damages brain functions. Short or long -term, pot kills brain cells, creating dysfunctional behavior, immediately, and over time.


Pot can cause heart attacks; it's a deadly health risk.


Pot creates overall deadly bad health in its abuser.


Yes, pot's way worse than tobacco per toke, another deadly aspect of pot.


Pot hampers the immune system, increasing risk of infections and tumors. Deadly!


Our kids infamously suffer from pot damage. No wonder responsible parents and grandparents want to keep pot illegal, as legalization is sanctioning and condoning pot use, and no responsible parent or grandparent would ever do that to their kids!


The valid authorities speak out on another deadly aspect of pot: How Does Marijuana Affect Driving?Thus driving while stoned -- meaning for up to 24 hours from initial use, or the long-term-use damage of "perpetually stoned" -- most certainly kills people in traffic accidents, as millions who've lost loved-ones in this way sadly know.


Regarding memory damage, the valid authorities say: Long-Term Marijuana Use Affects MemoryPot-abusers can't think straight!


And the risk to teens from pot: Teen Brains Damaged by Heavy Marijuana SmokingBrain damage in teens. Pot advocates don't care about our teens, they just care about getting stoned.


The valid authorities present the social ineptness caused by pot abuse: Heavy Marijuana Use Affects Learning, Social SkillsYes, a vast amount of scientific research backs the authorized presentations, that the social skill of telling the truth is compromised by smoking pot.


As to the delusions suffered by pot smokers accurately presented above, that means, according to the valid authorities: Delusions -- Definition of DelusionsThus regardless of the valid scientific evidence is presented to pot-heads, they will simply deny it due to their pot-induced delusions.


"The big bad government is out to get me" persecution complex of pot-heads is also quite famous, a brain-damaging effect of pot.


And more damaging pot effects, including pot's addictive property: Marijuana use and its effectsPot addicts deny pot is psychologically addictive and that more recent research implicates some physically addictive properties of THC. But, they're addicts! One would expect them to be in denial. Pot addicts either delusionally or manipulatiely don't tell the truth about the damage pot causes.


Most of the damage done to the user from pot is degenerative in disease-nature. When degenerative disease commences, in this case with the first toke ever taken by the pot abuser, unless treated to reversal, degenerative disease is ultimately always fatal. Pot is most certainly deadly, and most brain-cell damage is irreversible.

But some of the damage caused by pot is death by over-dose, despite the myth spread by pot abusers that such "never" happens. Here's one of the long-known myth-busters: local law enforcement reports from coroners. Marijuana-Only Drug Abuse Deaths 2002 -- this proves that it's a myth that pot "never" causes immediate one-sitting death to the pot abuser, a myth spread by, who else: pot abusers. Just look at the "Single Drug Marijuana Deaths" column at the 2002 chart at the bottom: 157 deaths from pot over-dose alone!. And that's just in the small subset of selected cities in 2002 alone. Add the whole world up over time and clearly millions of over-dose pot-only drug-abuse deaths have occurred, all attempted to be covered up by NORML and other pot-legalization groups!

And if over-dose-death from pot-abuse doesn't directly kill the abuser, suffocation from passing out and basic chemical poisoning can, sadly too often, occur, and then it will show up in local reports like this one: Unintentional Injuries In Allegheny County 2000-2005. This report shows that there are a number of ways pot-abuse can kill you in one sitting!

And Wiki corroborates the valid authorities that pot kills so many human abiliities, not just one's very life: Effects of Cannabis. The delusions, lying and other forms of not telling the truth, driving impairment, neurological damage, etc. are all caused by pot!

And, considering that the common form of pot today is "skunk", and that skunk is 30 times stronger than the kind of pot from the '60s, smoking one joint today, which is the "normal" daily fix of the drug, is like smoking a full 30 joints back then! Obviously that's gonna cause great damage .. or death!

Yes, clearly, pot kills, both the abusers and those around them:

Pilot In Crash Had Marijuana In His System

Autopsy report: Man died of fall from Oread roof, had alcohol and marijuana in system

Coroner's report: Lewis had marijuana in system – remember, as presented above, pot causes the heart to accelerate "20 to 50 bpm" faster .. "risk for a heart attack is four times higher" when doing pot, as we now know.

Marijuana in skydiver's system Report says he smoked 2 hours before fatal fall.

Slaying suspect used cocaine, pot.

Marijuana found in 3 Coral Springs teens killed in crash, reports say.

Pot smoking linked to [car] crash.

.. And millions more.

(Continued in post 2 of this thread.)

First of all, this study is full of **** right from the start.

It says that legalization advocates say that there's no negative effects from smoking marijuana.

Which is bull****. Marijuana advocates are fully aware of the negative effects of marijuana.

Rather, what legalization advocates say is that there are plenty of other legal substances that have negative effects - such as alcohol and cigarettes - and they are legal too.

Also, the negative effects of marijuana smokers willingly consuming a drug is better than the negative effects of locking marijuana smokers away where they are forced to get involved in gangs and are put in an environment of violence and rape and if they get out of jail they can't find a decent job because corporations will automatically choose not to hire ex-convicts with felony convictions.

So those who are going to advocate the continuing gang violence that comes with supporting the criminalization of recreational drugs need to be accurate in regards to their information concerning it.
 
Apart from breaking the law, what are these negative effects of marijuana use?
 
I love it when people claim that pot causes hallucinations.

It can depending on the strength of the substance and the mental state or genetics of the individual. I've seen it on at least two occasions.
 
For the sake of the argument lets say that nothing you mentioned is being disputed and are all factually correct. I am unsure how this should change anything or be used as an argument to keep it illegal. I do not think recreational drug use and the potential side affects are going to be the demise of american health or the downfall of our society. I believe our food supply which is largely ignored and completely legal will eventually be the true culprit in american citizens health. So while people will scream and yell about pot they often remain completely ignorant to the things they themselves are ingesting.

This post is completely accurate and on target.
 
It can depending on the strength of the substance and the mental state or genetics of the individual. I've seen it on at least two occasions.

Wait. Just a minute, here.

If you give me opium, I know I'll hallucinate (or so the 19th century mysteries I read suggests). LSD, I'll probably hallucinate.

But marijuana? Isn't referring to the effects of this plant as "hallucinations" a little over the top?
 
Sorry, I thought about this.

 
Wait. Just a minute, here.

If you give me opium, I know I'll hallucinate (or so the 19th century mysteries I read suggests). LSD, I'll probably hallucinate.

But marijuana? Isn't referring to the effects of this plant as "hallucinations" a little over the top?

Not really... only if one says that marijuana will ALWAYS make one hallucinate. Like I said, it does happen in relation to strength of the drug and especially in relation to the mental state of the individual. I've seen it two times, recently, and a few colleagues have seen it a couple of times, too. Some studies suggest that in people who are genetically predisposed to become schizophrenic, marijuana use may increase this risk. And, though to a lesser effect than opioid, the mechanisms that are affected by marijuana use (cannibinoids) have a similar affect to what opioid receptors do.

So yes, it is possible and there are links between marijuana use and hallucinations. Now, don't get me wrong. The link is NOT massive, generally happens in specific instances, and in no way should invalidate the argument that marijuana should be illegal. However, the statement "marijuana isn't harmful" is completely false and making false statement like this hurts the pro-legalization side.
 
I'm just surprised, is all. I used it, everyone I knew used (although this was the 1970's, and I imagine marijuana is a far more potent plant now than it was then). Nobody I ever heard of ever had an experience even remotely like a hallucination.

We used to ridicule the claims of adults who said we might, like Art Linkletter.
 
I'm just surprised, is all. I used it, everyone I knew used (although this was the 1970's, and I imagine marijuana is a far more potent plant now than it was then). Nobody I ever heard of ever had an experience even remotely like a hallucination.

We used to ridicule the claims of adults who said we might, like Art Linkletter.

It's not all that commonplace and unless you have a family history of mental illness, especially schizophrenia, it's very rare and not something I would especially worry about.
 
It can depending on the strength of the substance and the mental state or genetics of the individual. I've seen it on at least two occasions.

I've met thousands of people who smoke pot, and no one has ever claimed it. They would ALL laugh at anyone who made such a claim. If a person is crazy, then anything could "cause" hallucinations.
 
Some show on TV was claiming that alcohol causes 2.4 million deaths per year.
 
Automobiles kill around 30,000 per year in the USofA alone.

Ban them. Ban them all.

Sugar? Salt? High fructose corn syrup? Peanuts? Champagne corks? Swimming pools?
 
Subtext, subtext, people -- don't miss the subtext!
 
If they're hallucinating while on pot, they're been hallucinating without the pot as well. Absolute rubbish study. As for pot killing, everything kills in that sense - life kills, because living always results in death (see how absurd that is).
 
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