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Pot deaths rise 100% in Colorado

ocean515 said:
Actually, if no deaths were attributed to pot before, one death would be like a gazillion percent rise.

I understand any perceived hint of pot restriction causes some peoples head to explode, but I haven't been suggesting that at all. All I have been commenting on is that if a trend is identified, it's going to become a big issue. Of course that depends on people being willing to actually respond to it if it is shown to be true. They may be too loaded in Colorado to notice. :cool:
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That's true, one death does not make a trend.


Legal or not, all the states around Colorado are loaded, too. :cool:

So what are the marijuana death rate stats in any of those states? Zero to none? But apparently, there is a trend of marijuana saving the lives of brain trauma victims.
 
MrVicchio said:
The stretch is ignoring that fact pot DOES impair judgment and morons drive while high.

That's the stretch here.
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like they didn't drive high before hand. Do the test test acute blood levels or if you have used the drug in the last 30 days,
 
Moot said:
That's true, one death does not make a trend.


Legal or not, all the states around Colorado are loaded, too. :cool:

So what are the marijuana death rate stats in any of those states? Zero. But apparently, there is a trend of marijuana saving the lives of brain trauma victims.
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Zero? Wow. That's remarkable. Please post your evidence of that. Not that I care, but it would be interesting to see the statistics. Thanks in advance.
 
It says that in 2012 there were 78 fatalities where someone involved in the accident (a driver, bike rider, pedestrian) tested positive for marijuana, compared to 39 in 2007.
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This an old irrelevant study.
Retail pot sale did not become legal in Colorado until January 1st 2014.
Since then overall highway deaths in Colorado are down by 40%.
The tests sited in the op were for metabolites that can be detected months after use, not inebriation at the time of the accidents
.Since marijuana legalization, highway fatalities in Colorado are at near-historic lows
 
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Moot said:
That's true, one death does not make a trend.


Legal or not, all the states around Colorado are loaded, too. :cool:

So what are the marijuana death rate stats in any of those states? Zero. But apparently, there is a trend of marijuana saving the lives of brain trauma victims.
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SEATTLE (CBS Seattle) – According to a recent study, fatal car crashes involving pot use have tripled in the U.S.
“Currently, one of nine drivers involved in fatal crashes would test positive for marijuana,” Dr. Guohua Li, director of the Center for Injury Epidemiology and Prevention at Columbia, and co-author of the study told HealthDay News.
Researchers from Columbia University’s Mailman School of Public Health gathered data from six states – California, Hawaii, Illinois, New Hampshire, Rhode Island, and West Virginia – that perform toxicology tests on drivers involved in fatal car accidents. This data included over 23,500 drivers that died within one hour of a crash between 1999 and 2010.
Li reported in the study that alcohol contributed to about 40 percent of traffic fatalities throughout the decade.
The researchers found that drugs played an increasing role in fatal traffic accidents. Drugged driving accounted for more than 28 percent of traffic deaths in 2010, which is 16 percent more than it was in 1999.
The researchers also found that marijuana was the main drug involved in the increase. It contributed to 12 percent of fatal crashes, compared to only 4 percent in 1999.
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Study: Fatal Car Crashes Involving Marijuana Have Tripled « CBS Seattle

For the record, I really personally don't care if you get high. Whatever, that's your problem. It's the number of idiots driving high, I object too and the nonchalant dismissal of this reality that irks. We have enough issues with drunks, teens, texting, reading, make up, kids, teens driving and old people too stubborn to stop.

Legalized MJ just increases the number of stupid ways people die.
 
ReverendHellh0und said:
like they didn't drive high before hand. Do the test test acute blood levels or if you have used the drug in the last 30 days,
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Likely?, because we can't be honest about ****ing drugs? Gotta throw disclaimers in there? Huh? Cause the DRUG war is a ****ing EVIL CORPORATE GOVERNMENT SCANDAL DRUGS ARE ****ING GOOD RIGHT HUH? How many people die? It wasn't really DRUGS MAN, you're ****ING STUPID if you THINK ITS ****ING DRUGS MAN. DRUGS ARE GOOD MAN, **** YOUR STATISTICS AND COMMON SENSE MAN, DRUGS MAN DRRRRUUUUGGGGSSS!

That's all I see, on this thread.

The reality is, MJ impairs, people drive while high, people die because of that.

Are those increased number of stupid people on the road worth it so you can escape life for a bit in a drug induced state of bliss? Hey, if you can aces, that's all I need to know about what kind of person you are. People die, who cares, I just wanna get high. Right?
 
MrVicchio said:
The stretch is ignoring that fact pot DOES impair judgment and morons drive while high.

That's the stretch here.
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It does, and they do. Though the sheer numbers that you try to claim seem not to be backed up, and also do not pertain post-legalization.
 
MrVicchio said:
Study: Fatal Car Crashes Involving Marijuana Have Tripled « CBS Seattle

For the record, I really personally don't care if you get high. Whatever, that's your problem. It's the number of idiots driving high, I object too and the nonchalant dismissal of this reality that irks. We have enough issues with drunks, teens, texting, reading, make up, kids, teens driving and old people too stubborn to stop.

Legalized MJ just increases the number of stupid ways people die.
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I totally agree. Just because something is legal doesn't mean it doesn't need rules and boundaries.


edit: an analogy might be that even though we all love free speech I think people are drawn to DP because of the rules and boundaries on free speech.
 
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MrVicchio said:
The reality is, MJ impairs, people drive while high, people die because of that.
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It does. As does alcohol, as does texting, as does a plethora of other distracted driving.

But you're claiming numbers that don't say what you claim they say.
 
MrVicchio said:
The stretch is ignoring that fact pot DOES impair judgment and morons drive while high.

That's the stretch here.
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There's laws against impaired driving. Prosecuting possession of pot to fight DWI is redundant at best, futile in any case.
 
Grand Mal said:
I agree with you but my point was that you could have toked up at a party two weeks ago and still test positive. I'm all for prosecuting impaired driving and after almost 30 years on structural steel I'm ashamed of how many times we turned a blind eye to drunk and stoned people on the job but random drug testing is a gross infringement on my right to privacy and dignity. I was only tested once and it was humiliating- it was a coin-toss whether I'd piss in the bottle or quit the job and I hadn't smoked pot for 20 years.
Testing for pot in a venue where it's use is legal proves nothing unless you can show that the person being tested is still under the influence.
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I agree - current testing will not show someone who is currently under the influence only someone who may have smoked it at home, endangering no one, for their own use. I understand that testing can be humiliating and would be offensive to some people - but as long as the testing is explained as to why it's necessary (if it is necessary is another whole discussion), and if those who were drunk or stoned were sent home and/or gotten counseling against going to work under the influence. A hangover is never pretty but a hangover working with heavy machinery that could kill someone or multiple someone's no matter the laws or legality or illegality should be avoided at all costs.
 
Are they counting terminally ill people who use medical marijuana? Because that would increase the death count substantially.
 
Moot said:
Are they counting terminally ill people who use medical marijuana? Because that would increase the death count substantially.
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This is from motor accidents, not from use. You can't die from using marijuana.
 
MrVicchio said:
Likely?, because we can't be honest about ****ing drugs? Gotta throw disclaimers in there? Huh? Cause the DRUG war is a ****ing EVIL CORPORATE GOVERNMENT SCANDAL DRUGS ARE ****ING GOOD RIGHT HUH? How many people die? It wasn't really DRUGS MAN, you're ****ING STUPID if you THINK ITS ****ING DRUGS MAN. DRUGS ARE GOOD MAN, **** YOUR STATISTICS AND COMMON SENSE MAN, DRUGS MAN DRRRRUUUUGGGGSSS!

That's all I see, on this thread.

The reality is, MJ impairs, people drive while high, people die because of that.

Are those increased number of stupid people on the road worth it so you can escape life for a bit in a drug induced state of bliss? Hey, if you can aces, that's all I need to know about what kind of person you are. People die, who cares, I just wanna get high. Right?
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Drugs, what a vague term. What do you mean by drugs? Do you mean marijuana? Do you mean heroin, meth, crack, cocaine, ibuprofen, anti-depressants, blood pressure drugs, etc. . . You could mean so many things by using the term drugs you aren't saying anything.

Say what you mean here.
 
MrVicchio said:
Yeah, sure, legalized, deaths go up.. no link. NOT at all.

Good god you people make me ill.
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Not ill enough! You are so dishonest in your outrage. Thirty-nine more fatalities and you go all ape ****.
 
Jetboogieman said:
And so are alot of people.
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Actually ours is the first generation in human history for which the number of those living in larger than the number of the dead. I am sorrily not knowledgable of how long we can keep that up. ;)
 
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It is of interest to note that the supposed study the group called the Rocky Mountain High Intensity Drug Trafficking Area Program, is in fact run by a government group called Office of National Drug Control Policy which is part of and reports to the Executive Office of the President of the United States or Barack Obama.

This comes as no surprise as the Obama has long capitulated to the lobbyists and their flow of money to the Democrats, who are against marijuana legalization.

Once again, more proof that Obama is a neocon and that the political right should be loving him by now....except for one small thing.....
 
MrVicchio said:
Likely?, because we can't be honest about ****ing drugs? Gotta throw disclaimers in there? Huh? Cause the DRUG war is a ****ing EVIL CORPORATE GOVERNMENT SCANDAL DRUGS ARE ****ING GOOD RIGHT HUH? How many people die? It wasn't really DRUGS MAN, you're ****ING STUPID if you THINK ITS ****ING DRUGS MAN. DRUGS ARE GOOD MAN, **** YOUR STATISTICS AND COMMON SENSE MAN, DRUGS MAN DRRRRUUUUGGGGSSS!

That's all I see, on this thread.

The reality is, MJ impairs, people drive while high, people die because of that.

Are those increased number of stupid people on the road worth it so you can escape life for a bit in a drug induced state of bliss? Hey, if you can aces, that's all I need to know about what kind of person you are. People die, who cares, I just wanna get high. Right?
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Based on the way you're talking I can only assume you support a 100% prohibition of all alcohol, tobacco, fast food, and prescription medication, correct? Why should anyone be able to enjoy any of that when it KILLS PEOPLE, even dramatically more than drugs?
 
Ockham said:
I agree - current testing will not show someone who is currently under the influence only someone who may have smoked it at home, endangering no one, for their own use. I understand that testing can be humiliating and would be offensive to some people - but as long as the testing is explained as to why it's necessary (if it is necessary is another whole discussion), and if those who were drunk or stoned were sent home and/or gotten counseling against going to work under the influence. A hangover is never pretty but a hangover working with heavy machinery that could kill someone or multiple someone's no matter the laws or legality or illegality should be avoided at all costs.
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Actually, I understand they now have a test for current marijuana intoxication. But the stats cited in the OP were gathered years before this test was even developed.
 
What the OP doesn't mention, from the article:" data does not indicate whether pot was a cause for the accidents."
 
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