Post Conception Opt-Out FOR MEN

[AGENT J]

Some years back, I presented this same argument in regard to the inequality of the current "pro-choice" situation. Almost verbatim.

What I learned from that thread, from that time, is that people are all for equal rights, until they aren't.

hmm that sounds interesting and has me curious
how would one make the same argument in regard to the inequality of the current "pro-choice" situation?

What's the inequality of the pro-choice situation?

 

[vegas giants]

Dont falsely accuse people of being liars if you dont like the light being shone back on you lying.


Seems fine so far.

You havent posted any lies I've written yet. You have lied tho and I highlighted it in red in post 221. Tsk tsk tsk.



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That's nice



A male opt out is good for children and families and promotes civil rights

 

[Lursa]

A male opt out is good for children and families and promotes civil rights

I see you keep imagining kids that wouldnt be born, families that wouldnt exist, and a 'civil right' that you fantasized.

 

[vegas giants]

I see you keep imagining kids that wouldnt be born, families that wouldnt exist, and a 'civil right' that you fantasized.





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They laughed at women who wanted to vote



All civil rights are a fantasy before they are a reality

 

[Lursa]

They laughed at women who wanted to vote

They threw rotted fruit at them and sprayed them with hoses....I think your next step should be taking to the streets!

All civil rights are a fantasy before they are a reality

It's already equal...the law is that if there is a kid, the non-custodial parent pays child support (basically), at minimum and applies to both men and women.

If there's no kid, there's no issue.

As for opting out before a kid...again...the man has total control over his own destiny...his own right to not become a parent. If he chooses to risk that status by having sex, then he should be held accountable for the consequences. As already noted, if a pregnancy occurs, the woman CANNOT escape consequences....men can in many cases...so it's not equal right there...do you see women whining about making that 'equal?' No because it ridiculous.

The consequences are determined by biology, not evil women that men resent.

So now it's equal...if they want to avoid risking consequences, both men and women need to decide BEFORE having sex. If they take the risk, then they are accountable for the consequences. Women are, women have never been able to have sex without consequences. Now men cant either...it's EQUAL.

If the man chooses to risk his imaginary civil right...it's his choice and he is accountable for its violation.

 

[vegas giants]

They threw rotted fruit at them and sprayed them with hoses....I think your next step should be taking to the streets!

It's already equal...the law is that if there is a kid, the non-custodial parent pays child support (basically), at minimum and applies to both men and women.

If there's no kid, there's no issue.

As for opting out before a kid...again...the man has total control over his own destiny...his own right to not become a parent. If he chooses to risk that status by having sex, then he should be held accountable for the consequences. As already noted, if a pregnancy occurs, the woman CANNOT escape consequences....men can in many cases...so it's not equal right there...do you see women whining about making that 'equal?' No because it ridiculous.

The consequences are determined by biology, not evil women that men resent.

So now it's equal...if they want to avoid risking consequences, both men and women need to decide BEFORE having sex. If they take the risk, then they are accountable for the consequences. Women are, women have never been able to have sex without consequences. Now men cant either...it's EQUAL.

If the man chooses to risk his imaginary civil right...it's his choice and he is accountable for its violation.



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I think you are arguing to outlaw abortion



To use your own words


.the woman has total control over her own destiny...her own right to not become a parent. If she chooses to risk that status by having sex, then she should be held accountable for the consequences.



You want to outlaw abortion




YOU ARE NOW A PRO LIFER

 

[Lursa]

I think you are arguing to outlaw abortion

To use your own words
.the woman has total control over her own destiny...her own right to not become a parent. If she chooses to risk that status by having sex, then she should be held accountable for the consequences.

She does have to accept the consequences...abortion is one of the consequences. As is motherhood. As is dying. And I told you this already...is your need to gain some traction here so desperate? You failed on this the first time...why look silly twice?

You want to outlaw abortion

See...another lie from you. Why? Why do you want to reflect such a pathetic and dishonest image?

YOU ARE NOW A PRO LIFER

See...another lie from you. Why? Why do you want to reflect such a pathetic and dishonest image?

 

[vegas giants]

She does have to accept the consequences...abortion is one of the consequences. As is motherhood. As is dying. And I told you this already...is your need to gain some traction here so desperate? You failed on this the first time...why look silly twice?




See...another lie from you. Why? Why do you want to reflect such a pathetic and dishonest image?


See...another lie from you. Why? Why do you want to reflect such a pathetic and dishonest image?



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You pro lifers make no sense



the woman has total control over her own destiny...her own right to not become a parent. If she chooses to risk that status by having sex, then she should be held accountable for the consequences.

 

[Lursa]

You pro lifers make no sense

Look how desperate you've become. It's sad that you dont have an argument that will work and need to lie instead.

the woman has total control over her own destiny...her own right to not become a parent. If she chooses to risk that status by having sex, then she should be held accountable for the consequences.

Yup. And she is...there's no escape from consequences...have a kid, miscarry, have an abortion, die during pregnancy/childbirth. I support her having the right to choose and hope that no serious harm comes to her...as you can see, not all women's consequences are choices....you know...like death?

And yet there are men that whine about it not being fair? Not equal? Awwww, it's amazing such losers can even get it up to get a woman pregnant!

And there are men that wont admit that, just like women, equal to women, the men should be held accountable for THEIR consequences if there's a pregnancy too...but no...there are men who believe they should just be able to run away and drop the check on the tax payers. Well they exist but thankfully, the laws they want dont.

 

[vegas giants]

Look how desperate you've become. It's sad that you dont have an argument that will work and need to lie instead.


Yup. And she is...there's no escape from consequences...have a kid, miscarry, have an abortion, die during pregnancy/childbirth. I support her having the right to choose and hope that no serious harm comes to her...as you can see, not all women's consequences are choices....you know...like death?

And yet there are men that whine about it not being fair? Not equal? Awwww, it's amazing such losers can even get it up to get a woman pregnant!

And there are men that wont admit that, just like women, equal to women, the men should be held accountable for THEIR consequences if there's a pregnancy too...but no...there are men who believe they should just be able to run away and drop the check on the tax payers. Well they exist but thankfully, the laws they want dont.


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Women get to avoid all the consequences with a simple pill



Men are stuck for 18 years



Man you hate men

 

[Lursa]

Women get to avoid all the consequences with a simple pill

Yup and if it fails, they face the consequences, cant escape them. Might die.

Men are stuck for 18 years

Men dont have to risk that...do they? Yes or no? Are thy capable of making decisions in their own best interests? Yes or no? Shouldnt they accept their consequences if they take the risk? Yes or no? Please answer my questions before more of your own...or...if not, that's just as telling.

Man you hate men

Ha, you've tried that before. My zeal for the argument has nothing to do with individual men...I have friends that have had some seriously restrictive support and horrible ex's. So...again...dont lie just to advance your agenda....your opinion means so little to me that your personal insults are meaningless.

 

[vegas giants]

Yup and if it fails, they face the consequences, cant escape them. Might die.


Men dont have to risk that...do they? Yes or no? Are thy capable of making decisions in their own best interests? Yes or no? Shouldnt they accept their consequences if they take the risk? Yes or no? Please answer my questions before more of your own...or...if not, that's just as telling.


Ha, you've tried that before. My zeal for the argument has nothing to do with individual men...I have friends that have had some seriously restrictive support and horrible ex's. So...again...dont lie just to advance your agenda....your opinion means so little to me that your personal insults are meaningless.



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[vegas giants]

Men or women dont have to risk that...do they? Yes Are thy capable of making decisions in their own best interests? Yes. Shouldnt they accept their consequences if they take the risk? Yes.


Should they have the same financial consequences as women? YES!!!!!!!!!



Its called a male opt out!!!!!!


Finally I knew you could get there

 

[Lursa]

Men dont have to risk that...do they? Yes or no? Are thy capable of making decisions in their own best interests? Yes. Shouldnt they accept their consequences if they take the risk? Yes.


Should they have the same financial consequences as women? YES!!!!!!!!!

That's hypocritical, as it's the only consequence that they're bound to. So....then if they should be held accountable and accept their consequences...you really just said they SHOULD pay up.

Awww....dont feel so bad...enlightenment lifts the soul!

Its called a male opt out!!!!!!

And it doesnt exist. They had to create child support laws for a reason...and those reasons havent changed.

Finally I knew you could get there

Nope, but it seems you are on your way if you can see past the hypocrisy!

 

[vegas giants]

That's hypocritical, as it's the only consequence that they're bound to. So....then if they should be held accountable and accept their consequences...you really just said they SHOULD pay up.

Awww....dont feel so bad...enlightenment lifts the soul!



And it doesnt exist. They had to create child support laws for a reason...and those reasons havent changed.


Nope, but it seems you are on your way if you can see past the hypocrisy!



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Yay!!!!!!!



You finally agree with a male opt out!!!!!!!!




Yay!!!!!!!!!

 

[Lursa]

Yay!!!!!!!

You finally agree with a male opt out!!!!!!!!

Yay!!!!!!!!!

Nope, I didnt write that and obviously you are lying since you couldnt even quote where I did so.

You on the other hand, have written clearly that men should be held accountable for their decision to risk having sex...just like women are. Well done! Shall I quote it for you? I wouldnt want you to falsely accuse me of lying...again.

 

[vegas giants]

Nope, I didnt write that and obviously you are lying since you couldnt even quote where I did so.

You on the other hand, have written clearly that men should be held accountable for their decision to risk having sex...just like women are. Well done! Shall I quote it for you? I wouldnt want you to falsely accuse me of lying...again.



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Welcome aboard to the make opt out club

 

[Lursa]

Welcome aboard to the make opt out club

Nope, I didnt write that and obviously you are lying since you couldnt even quote where I did so.

You on the other hand, have written clearly that men should be held accountable for their decision to risk having sex...just like women are. Well done! Shall I quote it for you? I wouldnt want you to falsely accuse me of lying...again.

 

[vegas giants]

Nope, I didnt write that and obviously you are lying since you couldnt even quote where I did so.

You on the other hand, have written clearly that men should be held accountable for their decision to risk having sex...just like women are. Well done! Shall I quote it for you? I wouldnt want you to falsely accuse me of lying...again.



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Yes I agree a Male opt out is a great idea



Thanks

 

[Lursa]

Yes I agree a Male opt out is a great idea

Nope, I didnt write that and obviously you are lying since you couldnt even quote where I agreed so.

You on the other hand, have written clearly that men should be held accountable for their decision to risk having sex...just like women are. Well done! Shall I quote it for you? I wouldnt want you to falsely accuse me of lying...again. ​

Your posting in bad faith is obvious to all...it's your M.O. whenever you're failing...which is much of the time...why do you drag it out so?

 

[Captain America]

hmm that sounds interesting and has me curious
how would one make the same argument in regard to the inequality of the current "pro-choice" situation?

What's the inequality of the pro-choice situation?

Simply put, women have the choice to opt out of parenthood. Men do not. Therefore, not equal.

Can't put it any clearer than that.

Thank you for playing.

 

[vegas giants]

Nope, I didnt write that and obviously you are lying since you couldnt even quote where I agreed so.

You on the other hand, have written clearly that men should be held accountable for their decision to risk having sex...just like women are. Well done! Shall I quote it for you? I wouldnt want you to falsely accuse me of lying...again. ​

Your posting in bad faith is obvious to all...it's your M.O. whenever you're failing...which is much of the time...why do you drag it out so?


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Welcome aboard
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[nucky9]

She does have to accept the consequences...abortion is one of the consequences.

This doesn't seem to be gaining traction, but it should. While I'm sure there are women that view having an abortion as no big deal, I am equally sure that others are greatly affected by the consequences of the decision.

Men or women dont have to risk that...do they? Yes Are thy capable of making decisions in their own best interests? Yes. Shouldnt they accept their consequences if they take the risk? Yes.


Should they have the same financial consequences as women? YES!!!!!!!!!

Ok, so you believe that a woman should have the right to stop caring for their baby at any time? The right to walk away from the hospital and leave it there? The right to drop it off in a back alley somewhere? The right to stop feeding it?

Currently, the financial obligations to a baby are entirely the same for both men and women, and your argument about financial obligation is nonsense. The ability to decide whether or not to *have* the baby isn't equitable, that's true. It would be nice if it could be, but since only one sex bears the burden of carrying and delivering a baby, it is impossible to have complete equity. Either both have equal rights, but one has greater responsibility and bears more of the consequences, or one has greater responsibility, consequences and rights, and the other has fewer rights. Society has ruled that the latter is preferable.

If you don't like abortions, there are all kinds of things that can be done to reduce them - show how much you care, and advocate for them.

 

[Lursa]

Simply put, women have the choice to opt out of parenthood. Men do not. Therefore, not equal.

Not everything can be equal...nor is it expected to be. Why do you think that they instituted child support laws in the first place?

Biology isnt 'equal.'

And if men dont want to be fathers, they have complete control over that...if that imaginary right is violated, it's by them risking the choice.

Can't put it any clearer than that.

Thank you for playing.

I'd love to discuss further. Can you respond to my post #8? Or 1?

Cheers!

 

[vegas giants]

This doesn't seem to be gaining traction, but it should. While I'm sure there are women that view having an abortion as no big deal, I am equally sure that others are greatly affected by the consequences of the decision.

Ok, so you believe that a woman should have the right to stop caring for their baby at any time? The right to walk away from the hospital and leave it there? The right to drop it off in a back alley somewhere? The right to stop feeding it?

Currently, the financial obligations to a baby are entirely the same for both men and women, and your argument about financial obligation is nonsense. The ability to decide whether or not to *have* the baby isn't equitable, that's true. It would be nice if it could be, but since only one sex bears the burden of carrying and delivering a baby, it is impossible to have complete equity. Either both have equal rights, but one has greater responsibility and bears more of the consequences, or one has greater responsibility, consequences and rights, and the other has fewer rights. Society has ruled that the later is preferable.

If you don't like abortions, there are all kinds of things that can be done to reduce them - show how much you care, and advocate for them.

I do advocate for abortion rights


And the right for a man to opt out post conception


It can never be perfectly equal but we can make it more equitable