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Pope Benedict Implicated in German Sex Abuse Scandal

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German Priest in Church Abuse Case Is Suspended - NYTimes.com

The priest at the center of a German sexual-abuse scandal that has embroiled Pope Benedict XVI continued working with children for more than 30 years, even though a German court convicted him of molesting boys.

The priest, Peter Hullermann, who had previously been identified only by the first letter of his last name, was suspended from his duties only on Monday. That was three days after the church acknowledged that the pope, then Archbishop Joseph Ratzinger, had responded to early accusations of molestation by allowing the priest to move to Munich for therapy in 1980.

Hundreds of victims have come forward in recent months in Germany with accounts of sexual abuse from decades past. But no case has captured the attention of the nation like that of Father Hullermann, not only because of the involvement of the future pope, but also because of the impunity that allowed a child molester to continue to work with altar boys and girls for decades after his conviction.

How hard is it to figure out raping (orally) an 11-year-old boy is against the teachings of Jesus Christ? For Pope Benedict, apparently, there was some question.

How does Pope Benedict maintain moral certainty after DIRECTLY covering up sex abuse by a priest under his authority?
 
It is because the image of the church is more important to them than the people that they are supposed to serve. To such people whether it be religion politics or business the of covering up wrong doing that may be harmful to the entity as whole is an acceptable practice.

Moe
 
I am so happy I left the Catholic church because the people who represent it completely suck. Ef you, Pope Benedict and all the effing priests who have abused children. I wish there was hell so you could suffer eternally for your disgusting behavior.

Oh, and yet another scandal involving a Catholic priest. An 82-year-old priest having sex with a 19-year-old? Jesus Christ.

Brazilian priest allegedly taped having sex with teen - CNN.com

Oh and this too: http://www.cnn.com/2010/CRIME/03/17/ireland.abuse.abroad/index.html?hpt=T2
 
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It's very discouraging. I love the Church, but there are so many problems within it that I stopped attending Mass. Yes, there is a lot of hypocrisy, too many rules, and too many dead parishes.
 
German Priest in Church Abuse Case Is Suspended - NYTimes.com



How hard is it to figure out raping (orally) an 11-year-old boy is against the teachings of Jesus Christ? For Pope Benedict, apparently, there was some question.

How does Pope Benedict maintain moral certainty after DIRECTLY covering up sex abuse by a priest under his authority?

Are you sure there was any wrongdoing on Benedict's part?

As far as I can tell from the news stories, it sounds more like he was accused, and then removed from his diocese and public ministry in Essen, to the Archiocese of Munich were under a different Bishop, that being the Archbishop Ratzinger, he was ordered to undergo therapy and not allowed to practice any public ministry. It was then the mistake of the Secretary General (Note: in Diocese, especially large "Archdiocese" this position is usually the one to handle personnel decisions.) who returned him to a ministry role. The Pope, then Archbishop, was not aware of the change and he was called to Rome not too long after.

Do you have more specifics?

If true, it is a sad story, I hope there is forgiveness for the Pope and healing for the victims.
 
They really need to rethink this whole celibacy thing, I am a Catholic and I hate seeing the cover ups for priests who do this kinda thing.
The church needs to be more open to homosexuals and allow priests and clergymen to have wives. There's even a loophole to having a wife as a priest, simply be ordained in another church which allows clergymen to marry, get a wife, switch sides.
 
What I do not understand is why is it always the Catholic church??? The Protestant pastors and leaders seem to go for mainly prostitutes and adultery, Not that is something wonderful either but the Catholic priest seem to be the ones always caught with the pedophile stuff. It is not like these are isolated incidents. This is a real problem in their church. Maybe something happens mentally to some priests because of the enforced celibacy? The sex drive is a powerful natural force in anyone's life. I would think that having to try and suppress it for years and years on end simply can not be healthy.

Moe
 
They really need to rethink this whole celibacy thing, I am a Catholic and I hate seeing the cover ups for priests who do this kinda thing.
The church needs to be more open to homosexuals and allow priests and clergymen to have wives. There's even a loophole to having a wife as a priest, simply be ordained in another church which allows clergymen to marry, get a wife, switch sides.

They also ought to ordain women as priests.
 
How does Pope Benedict maintain moral certainty after DIRECTLY covering up sex abuse by a priest under his authority?
Well that's an easy question. The Pope and Christianity in general, simply ignore morality when it's convenient to do so.
 
I am so happy I left the Catholic church because the people who represent it completely suck. Ef you, Pope Benedict and all the effing priests who have abused children. I wish there was hell so you could suffer eternally for your disgusting behavior.

Oh, and yet another scandal involving a Catholic priest. An 82-year-old priest having sex with a 19-year-old? Jesus Christ.

Brazilian priest allegedly taped having sex with teen - CNN.com

Oh and this too: Survivor: Irish priest committed abuse, destroyed family - CNN.com
Christianity has done a lot worse than it's surreptitious pedophilia.
 
Is it not time for Pope Benedict XVI himself to acknowledge his share of responsibility, instead of whining about a campaign against his person? No other person in the Church has had to deal with so many cases of abuse crossing his desk. Here are some reminders:

In his eight years as a professor of theology in Regensburg, in close contact with his brother Georg, the capellmeister of the Regensburger Domspatzen, Ratzinger can hardly have been ignorant about what went on in the choir and its boarding--school. This was much more than an occasional slap in the face, there are charges of serious physical violence and even sexual abuse.

In his five years as Archbishop of Munich, repeated cases of sexual abuse at least by one priest transferred to his Archdiocese have come to light. His loyal Vicar General, my classmate Gerhard Gruber, has taken full responsibility for the handling of this case, but that is hardly an excuse for the Archbishop, who is ultimately responsible for the administration of his diocese.

In his 24 years as Prefect of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, from around the world, all cases of grave sexual offences by clerics had to be reported, under strictest secrecy ("secretum pontificum"), to his curial office, which was exclusively responsible for dealing with them. Ratzinger himself, in a letter on "grave sexual crimes" addressed to all the bishops under the date of 18 May, 2001, warned the bishops, under threat of ecclesiastical punishment, to observe "papal secrecy" in such cases.

In his five years as Pope, BenedictXVI has done nothing to change this practice with all its fateful consequences.

Honesty demands that Joseph Ratzinger himself, the man who for decades has been principally responsible for the worldwide cover-up, at last pronounce his own "mea culpa".

As Bishop Tebartz van Elst of Limburg, in a radio address on March 14, put it: "Scandalous wrongs cannot be glossed over or tolerated, we need a change of attitude that makes room for the truth. Conversion and repentance begin when guilt is openly admitted, when contrition1 is expressed in deeds and manifested as such, when responsibility is taken, and the chance for a new beginning is seized upon."

Hans Kung, National Catholic Reporter

Ratzinger's Responsibility | National Catholic Reporter
 
From the Psychiatrist who was involved:

The psychiatrist who warned Ratzinger's archdiocese about pedophlle priest Peter Hullerman goes public:

I said, ‘For God’s sake, he desperately has to be kept away from working with children,’” the psychiatrist Werner Huth said in an interview Thursday. “I was very unhappy about the entire story.” Dr. Huth said he was concerned enough that he set three conditions for treating the priest, Peter Hullermann: that he stay away from young people and alcohol and be supervised by another priest at all times. Dr. Huth said he issued the warnings — explicit, both written and oral — before the future pope, then Archbishop Joseph Ratzinger, left Germany for the Vatican in 1982. In 1980, following abuse complaints from parents in Essen that the priest did not deny, Archbishop Ratzinger approved a decision to move the priest to Munich for therapy.

The psychiatrist said in an interview he did not have any direct communications with Archbishop Ratzinger and did not know if the archbishop knew about his warnings. Though he said he spoke with several senior church officials, Dr. Huth’s main contact at the time was a bishop, Heinrich Graf von Soden-Fraunhofen, who died in 2000...

In the minutes taken by the priest in charge of the parish at the meeting with the parents, he noted that they “would not file charges under the current circumstances” in order to protect their children.... Spared prosecution after his transgressions in Essen, which according to the statement released by the diocese he “did not dispute,” Father Hullermann instead was ordered to undergo therapy with Dr. Huth. The archdiocese said that order was approved personally by Archbishop Ratzinger.

So we are asked to believe that, as archbishop, Ratzinger personally approved an order for a priest to be transferred to Munich for therapy, after his archdiocese had been repeatedly and explicitly warned that this priest was a danger to children - but that Ratinger had no idea what that therapy was about, and bears no responsibility at all for the acts of abuse committed then and thereafter by this protected child-rapist.

From Andrew Sullivan...?I said, ?For God?s sake, he desperately has to be kept away from working with children?? - The Daily Dish | By Andrew Sullivan

HORRIFYING story, for me as a parent.
 
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They really need to rethink this whole celibacy thing, I am a Catholic and I hate seeing the cover ups for priests who do this kinda thing.
The church needs to be more open to homosexuals and allow priests and clergymen to have wives. There's even a loophole to having a wife as a priest, simply be ordained in another church which allows clergymen to marry, get a wife, switch sides.

I think you will find this is not about any issue of Clergy celibacy, it is rather an issue of non-celibacy, that is, not following through with the promises a Priest takes before ordination. In about every case, the priest was never practicing chaste celibacy, or sought help for sexual addictions. He therefore never was practicing the celibacy he promised.

The sample of priests that abuse from the Article I cited:
"we now know that in the last 50 years somewhere between 1.5 percent and 5 percent of the Catholic clergy has been involved in sexual abuse cases."

Additionally 80-90% of the cases were between Priests and Male Adolescents. That is boys of the ages from 11-17.

I don't see how allowing for non-celibate living would solve the crisis of the abuse. Since clearly, if we look at public schools for example, that doesn't seem to be a factor.
 
It is a disgusting pretense at being a religion.
 
I think you will find this is not about any issue of Clergy celibacy, it is rather an issue of non-celibacy, that is, not following through with the promises a Priest takes before ordination. In about every case, the priest was never practicing chaste celibacy, or sought help for sexual addictions. He therefore never was practicing the celibacy he promised.

The sample of priests that abuse from the Article I cited:


Additionally 80-90% of the cases were between Priests and Male Adolescents. That is boys of the ages from 11-17.

I don't see how allowing for non-celibate living would solve the crisis of the abuse. Since clearly, if we look at public schools for example, that doesn't seem to be a factor.

I don't think that celibacy is the problem either as there are good ways to use your sexual energy in a spiritual way...

I also do not think it has anything to do with anyone leading in anyway a spiritual life. It is simply perverse sick people hurting those they should be protecting.

Most of the children being sexually harmed being boys seems to be to do with them being in the care of men. The nuns seemed to go more in for horrendous beatings - child abuse again.

What it shows to me is that being religious is not the same as being spiritual and I guess the Catholic Church every where has a lot of work to do to get any respect back from outsiders and trust from Catholics themselves.
 
What I do not understand is why is it always the Catholic church??? The Protestant pastors and leaders seem to go for mainly prostitutes and adultery, Not that is something wonderful either but the Catholic priest seem to be the ones always caught with the pedophile stuff. It is not like these are isolated incidents. This is a real problem in their church. Maybe something happens mentally to some priests because of the enforced celibacy? The sex drive is a powerful natural force in anyone's life. I would think that having to try and suppress it for years and years on end simply can not be healthy.

Moe

I think it's partly to do with the enforced celibacy. That's just not normal.

As far as why the Catholic Church seems to try to cover it up or sweep it under the rug so much more than the other religions, I think it's mostly because they're such a monolithic organization. There's a lot of pressure on members to protect the organization itself, and protestant churches don't really have that sort of atmosphere.
 
I think it's partly to do with the enforced celibacy. That's just not normal.

As far as why the Catholic Church seems to try to cover it up or sweep it under the rug so much more than the other religions, I think it's mostly because they're such a monolithic organization. There's a lot of pressure on members to protect the organization itself, and protestant churches don't really have that sort of atmosphere.

I think that's a fairly accurate analysis.
 
I think it's partly to do with the enforced celibacy. That's just not normal.

As far as why the Catholic Church seems to try to cover it up or sweep it under the rug so much more than the other religions, I think it's mostly because they're such a monolithic organization. There's a lot of pressure on members to protect the organization itself, and protestant churches don't really have that sort of atmosphere.

Well said.

The catholic church is huge. Not sure how many priests etc it actually has but as in any church it only takes a few to tar the whole group. I am not a Catholic myself and have many disagreements with their practices and doctrines as an organization but at the local level the church has some fantastic people who really go out their way to be a positive force in their communities. Catholic charities catholic orphanages catholic hospitals etc all manned and operated by simple every day folks.

Very sad when this kind of stuff happens and those people are seen as supporting corruption etc.

It is not much of a consolation or comfort I know but it is not really all that easy to be a proud protestant these days either. We have more than enough of our own dirty laundry thrown in our faces all the time

Moe
 
Well said.

The catholic church is huge. Not sure how many priests etc it actually has but as in any church it only takes a few to tar the whole group. I am not a Catholic myself and have many disagreements with their practices and doctrines as an organization but at the local level the church has some fantastic people who really go out their way to be a positive force in their communities. Catholic charities catholic orphanages catholic hospitals etc all manned and operated by simple every day folks.

Very sad when this kind of stuff happens and those people are seen as supporting corruption etc.

It is not much of a consolation or comfort I know but it is not really all that easy to be a proud protestant these days either. We have more than enough of our own dirty laundry thrown in our faces all the time

Moe

Well our report is calling this 'endemic' in its history in Ireland. I don't mean to be nasty moe but you seem to be excusing this. I don't think it is excusable.

Rape and sexual molestation were "endemic" in Irish Catholic church-run industrial schools and orphanages, a report revealed today.

The nine-year investigation found that Catholic priests and nuns for decades terrorised thousands of boys and girls in the Irish Republic, while government inspectors failed to stop the chronic beatings, rape and humiliation.

'Endemic' rape and abuse of Irish children in Catholic care, inquiry finds | World news | guardian.co.uk
 
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