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Police shot at a man 20 times in his own yard, thinking he had a gun. It was an iPhone.

braindrain said:
Going by three demonstrated lack of knowledge on this topic forgive me if I don't put to much weight into what you consider excessive.
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I didn't ask you for your opinion on this. Or anything. I was having an adult conservation with Jack, another adult. If I want an immature child's opinion, then I will include you. Until then go sit in a corner.
 

It was an execution, pure and simple.
The Warriors should have cancelled the game ...
 

It's meant to be fatal.
 
Jack Hays said:
He was followed into the back yard by overhead surveillance.
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I know. At the time I wrote that the police hadn't positively ID'ed him as the same guy. Not sure that they have even now.

Given he had a fairly extensive record it wouldn't be surprising if it was him.

Interestingly I read a blog post this morning by a current criminal defense lawyer who formerly was a police sgt and trainer in Houston (or maybe Austin). He points out a number of ways the police totally screwed this encountered up, two of which I've also pointed out - lack of IDing themselves as cops and the "show me your hands" order.
 
SenorXm/Sirius said:
I didn't ask you for your opinion on this. Or anything. I was having an adult conservation with Jack, another adult. If I want an immature child's opinion, then I will include you. Until then go sit in a corner.
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Says the guy who thinks shooting someone in the leg or arm to disable them is a valid tactic.
 

I'm not surprised if the police performance in this matter wasn't as good as it might have been.
 
holbritter said:
Not if his statement is taken completely out of context, and in no way supports your conclusion. He said absolutely nothing about supporting bad cops.
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OK, here is the screen capture. It appears clear to me that he is in a shooting stance with his hands together and extended. He was also walking forward towards the officers at the time, and they had no way of knowing that that was his house.

 
AGENT J said:
LMAO thanks for that, it tells us all we need to know:lamo
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If someone takes my time and money away from me to have to deal with their bull****, then I have no problem with all their time and money being taken away from them permanently. All you need to know is if you run from the cops at night, you are an idiot.
 

Theres was no need for further explanation, we get it. Your first one was just fine and it let us need all we need to about you. thanks again.
 
AGENT J said:
Theres was no need for further explanation, we get it. Your first one was just fine and it let us need all we need to about you. thanks again.
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You don't know a thing about me.
 
backpacker said:
You don't know a thing about me.
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LMAO for this subject we know all we need to based on your words below:

backpacker said:
If someone was smashing my car windows, I really wouldn't care if the police shot him in my driveway just so they hosed it off once they finished taking their photos.
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Dont care about anything else because thats not the topic here. :shrug: thanks again for identifying yourself!
 
AGENT J said:
LMAO for this subject we know all we need to based on your words below:



Dont care about anything else because thats not the topic here. :shrug: thanks again for identifying yourself!
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Not worrying what happens to criminals means I am not a criminal. That you care so much about them....and spend all day posting on a dozen message boards...leads me to believe that you don't know the value of other people's time or work.
 
backpacker said:
Not worrying what happens to criminals means I am not a criminal.
2.) That you care so much about them....
3.) and spend all day posting on a dozen message boards...leads me to believe that you don't know the value of other people's time or work.
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1.) factually not true and meaningless to anything being discussed here
2.) who said I care so much and about who? seems you are just making stuff up left and right(which further tells us what we need to know)
3.) also factually not true, this is the only message board i "frequent" and also meaningless LMAO
Wow how many lies and strawmen could you put in one post . . . in the future simply refrain from making stuff up and you can avoid your problem. Good luck!
 
Taylor said:
I don't see that at all. Maybe you can you post a screenshot of the frame of the video where he is "clearly" holding his hands together and pointing a cell phone at the police.
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I just realized I responded to the wrong person on my last post with the screen capture.

Below if the screen capture that looks as if he is in a shooting stance, and the live action video shows him walking towards the officers in that stance. He ended up dead at the side of that patio closest to the police.

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I don't know. It looks more to me like his hands are extended out and down by his waist, especially given how his arms move when he falls. Very hard to tell from IR.
 
backpacker said:
Not worrying what happens to criminals means I am not a criminal. That you care so much about them....and spend all day posting on a dozen message boards...leads me to believe that you don't know the value of other people's time or work.
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It sounds like the officers followed a step-by-step process of commands that would indicate they had the necessary training. If a suspect has a gun, officers are supposed to command the suspect to drop the gun. However, if the suspect makes a threatening move, it is up to the officer to decide whether to immediately take action (shoot) or not. Based on this case, it can easily be said that the suspect made a threatening move with what can be argued was a gun and was then shot according to procedure.

There is no way any of these officers will be found guilty of anything, if prosecuted at all. No argument against that in the mind of the officer the suspect was an imminent threat to life or property.
 
I have full confidence these cops will walk.
 

1.) officers here and some public already disagree with you. they didnt identify themselves, they agree the escalation was way to fast and the order of show me your hands vs hands up is conflicting

2.) nobody possible knows that yet. it could be true but theres nothing currently that makes that a guarantee especially when other law officers feel these guys messed up. Its all opinion of course but if cops dont even agree statements like you made in number 1 and 2 hold no water at all.
 
At the court
Judge: why did you shoot a man with no gun
Policeman: it was ''highly likely'' he had a gun
Judge: case closed (selfdefense action)
 
Coin said:
At the court
Judge: why did you shoot a man with no gun
Policeman: it was ''highly likely'' he had a gun
Judge: case closed (selfdefense action)
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Using retarded "logic" like that then every person known to carry or with a conceal weapon permit like myself can be shot in (selfdefense action)
ok we are ready for you to add . . but but but to make it magically different lol
 
backpacker said:
Not worrying what happens to criminals means I am not a criminal. That you care so much about them....and spend all day posting on a dozen message boards...leads me to believe that you don't know the value of other people's time or work.
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Supporting summary execution for the dire crime of breaking your car window does tell us all we need to know about you.
 



The police spokeswoman said she does not believe any such policy exists that require officers to identify themselves when encountering suspects.

Predicting the future as being a 100% assured outcome is impossible. I’m giving my opinion based on past cases where police did not identify themselves and killed someone they were not after who offered no resistance and was unarmed. The key point is that the police thought, in their mind(s), thought that Stephon was armed and thus was an immediate threat to life the well-being of others (and property).
 
I can't stand these dishonest headlines. I watched the video of this. THe guy ran away from cops, hopped a fence and was looking into a window at night, while holding something in his hand. I'm usually sympathetic of these cases, but he put himself at risk. It wasn't just some guy on his property and the cops came to him and he was shot, he ran, hopped a fence, that's highly suspicious, put cops on notice

Cops still need to have more restraint, but its easy for me to say not facing someone who potentially has a gun.
 
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