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Plan B Vote Tonight

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The House on Thursday afternoon approved a rule allowing consideration later Thursday evening of Speaker John Boehner's "Plan B" legislation on the fiscal cliff.

Members approved the rule in a mostly party line 219-197 vote, although 13 Republicans voted against it along with every voting Democrat. Republicans voting against the rule were Reps. Justin Amash (Mich.), Paul Broun (Ga.), Trent Franks (Ariz.), Louie Gohmert (Texas), Andy Harris (Md.), Tim Huelskamp (Kan.), Walter Jones (N.C.), Jim Jordan (Ohio), Jeff Landry (La.), Thomas Massie (Ky.), Ron Paul (Texas), Jean Schmidt (Ohio) and Joe Walsh (Ill.).


One bill covered under the rule would extend current tax rates on annual family income under $1 million, while a second bill would replace the sequester with a GOP plan that mostly spares defense cuts in January
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House advances Boehner's 'Plan B', sets up Thursday night vote - The Hill's Floor Action

Not really a fan of this plan, but at least the Republicans are doing something other than talk. Unfortunately the Senate leadership has already said they wont even allow a vote on it.
 
This whole thing was a farce from the beginning. Both sides agreed agreed a long time ago to set it up this way to avoid having to vote on anything meaningful before the election. I said at the time that no solution to our problem would ever be presented and instead they would pass some BS "bi-partisan" legislation that undoes the "fiscal cliff" and does absolutely nothing to solve our economic problems. It's all another grand episode of "kick the can down the road".

It's all a show and it was set up that way from the beginning.
 
most likely scenario : punt into next year; "grand bargain" that doesn't solve the problem, but does just enough to be called a grand bargain.
 
Republic Now! said:
If I'm not mistaken, don't committees usually decide that stuff?
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Reading the OP link, a separate bill will follow with that part of "the deal". This is simply avoid the "cliff" and kick the can down the road BS. Its only purpose seems to be to attempt to limit federal revenue increases - with no mention of spending cuts at all.
 
This is one of the bills, which deals with sequestration

Bill Text - 112th Congress (2011-2012) - THOMAS (Library of Congress)


H.R.6684

Spending Reduction Act of 2012 (Introduced in House - IH)

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TITLE VII--SEQUESTER REPLACEMENT


SEC. 701. SHORT TITLE.

This title may be cited as the `Sequester Replacement Act of 2012'.

SEC. 702. PROTECTING VETERANS PROGRAMS FROM SEQUESTER.

Section 256(e)(2)(E) of the Balanced Budget and Emergency Deficit Control Act of 1985 is repealed.

SEC. 703. ACHIEVING $19 BILLION IN DISCRETIONARY SAVINGS.

(a) Revised 2013 Discretionary Spending Limit- Paragraph (2) of section 251(c) of the Balanced Budget and Emergency Deficit Control Act of 1985 is amended to read as follows:
`(2) with respect to fiscal year 2013, for the discretionary category, $1,047,000,000,000 in new budget authority;'.
(b) Discretionary Savings- Section 251A(7)(A) of the Balanced Budget and Emergency Deficit Control Act of 1985 is amended to read as follows:
`(A) FISCAL YEAR 2013-
`(i) FISCAL YEAR 2013 ADJUSTMENT- On January 2, 2013, the discretionary category set forth in section 251(c)(2) shall be decreased by $19,104,000,000 in budget authority.
`(ii) SUPPLEMENTAL SEQUESTRATION ORDER- On January 15, 2013, OMB shall issue a supplemental sequestration report for fiscal year 2013 and take the form of a final sequestration report as set forth in section 254(f)(2) and using the procedures set forth in section 253(f), to eliminate any discretionary spending breach of the spending limit set forth in section 251(c)(2) as adjusted by clause (i), and the President shall order a sequestration, if any, as required by such report.'.

SEC. 704. CONFORMING AMENDMENTS TO SECTION 314 OF THE CONGRESSIONAL BUDGET AND IMPOUNDMENT CONTROL ACT OF 1974.

Section 314(a) of the Congressional Budget Act of 1974 is amended to read as follows:
`(a) Adjustments-
`(1) IN GENERAL- The chair of the Committee on the Budget of the House of Representatives or the Senate may make adjustments as set forth in paragraph (2) for a bill or joint resolution, amendment thereto or conference report thereon, by the amount of new budget authority and outlays flowing therefrom in the same amount as required by section 251(b) of the Balanced Budget and Emergency Deficit Control Act of 1985.
`(2) MATTERS TO BE ADJUSTED- The chair of the Committee on the Budget of the House of Representatives or the Senate may make the adjustments referred to in paragraph (1) to--
`(A) the allocations made pursuant to the appropriate concurrent resolution on the budget pursuant to section 302(a);
`(B) the budgetary aggregates as set forth in the appropriate concurrent resolution on the budget; and
`(C) the discretionary spending limits, if any, set forth in the appropriate concurrent resolution on the budget.'.

SEC. 705. TREATMENT FOR PAYGO PURPOSES.

The budgetary effects of this Act and any amendment made by it shall not be entered on either PAYGO scorecard maintained pursuant to section 4(d) of the Statutory Pay-As-You-Go Act of 2010.

SEC. 706. ELIMINATION OF THE FISCAL YEAR 2013 SEQUESTRATION FOR DEFENSE DIRECT SPENDING.

Any sequestration order issued by the President under the Balanced Budget and Emergency Deficit Control Act of 1985 to carry out reductions to direct spending for the defense function (050) for fiscal year 2013 pursuant to section 251A of such Act shall have no force or effect.
 
ttwtt78640 said:
What spending cuts does plan B have? Oh, that little "detail" will come later... :lol:
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Leftwing media is alleging that unemployment insurance and food stamps gotta go and only people who make over a million dollars a year will get a tax hike.

Just sayin'. Take it with a grain of salt because I don't know WHAT plan B is suppose to cut. But you can bet it will be middle class working man that takes it up the ass.

Here's the rub. They are going to threaten that it's plan B or the highway. If Obama don't take it, all the peasantry will get a tax hike and they will just "have to eat cake." All to protect that top 2%. Then they are going to try to spin the blame on Obama for not accepting Plan B.

And the Obama supporter's are putting all their pissiness behind the idea that sticking it to the trust fund babies is the way to go, (even though that revenue would be just a drop in the ocean.)

They need to do it ALL. Tax the **** out of those decadent greedy bastards. Make that welfare engineer get off his ass and go to work or he don't freakin' eat. Cut off oil industry and farm subsidies. Stop sending money out in semi trucks to Iraq, Africa and God knows where else.

Establish education and skill prerequisites for prospective elected leaders. Then give them a G1 to G10 pay scale based on time served and the same benefits we would give any other civil service worker. Run the government like a freakin' business for Crissakes.

Burn all lawyers and lobbyists at the stake. <blush... just kidding. But you get the idea.>

Cut the umbilicord to Afghanastan and Pakistan and Iraq and Israel and all those other sand dune countries.

Take all that medicare/medicaid money away from the greedy ass medical industry and build regional learning hospital/colleges where the poor can be treated much like a military hospital, where a regular Joe can work, earning his/her nursing or doctor's degree and eat at the same time.

They need to cut, cut cut!! Taxing only helps a little. Why the big focus on the taxing part? I think a 400k yearly cut-off is fair enough even if it is about 150k higher than I would like to see it. But that's compromise I suppose. A million dollar cut-off. LO freakin' L. Give me a break Boehner. Are you freakin' kiddin'? Little ol' Richie Rich has you bought and paid for. Get the hell out of Washinton you freak.


Ahhhhhhhhhhhh.....

That felt good.

Coffee anyone?
 
I see two most likely scenarios...either they rush through and extend status quo at the last minute and point the finger of blame at each other, or they let all tax cuts expire and the auto government spending cuts kick in, and then point the finger of blame at each other.

The house should simply stop negotiating with Obama and start passing legislation that is then passed on to the senate. Why no one is pointing out the obvious facts...its just mind numbing. The President is the executive branch. The house should be working together and then putting pressure on the senate. And on a side note...

Harry Reid is the absolute most worthless piece of **** I have ever seen in politics. I cannot fathom how even DEMOCRATS can support that pathetic ****.
 
jonny5 said:
House advances Boehner's 'Plan B', sets up Thursday night vote - The Hill's Floor Action

Not really a fan of this plan, but at least the Republicans are doing something other than talk. Unfortunately the Senate leadership has already said they wont even allow a vote on it.
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Not much of a surprise here. Corporations want your taxes directly into their pockets . By creating a false idea that taxing the rich is bad, coupling it with the republcian religious right wing who worship the rich, Boehner wants to bankrupt the US by giving our social programs to the rich corporations and raise taxes on us to give them more money.

Sick and twisted...and only a fool would have voted for these guys.

SSDD
 
Muddy Creek said:
Not much of a surprise here. Corporations want your taxes directly into their pockets . By creating a false idea that taxing the rich is bad, coupling it with the republcian religious right wing who worship the rich, Boehner wants to bankrupt the US by giving our social programs to the rich corporations and raise taxes on us to give them more money.

Sick and twisted...and only a fool would have voted for these guys.

SSDD
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Who worships money more. If Obama got the tax hikes he wants that would being in around 800 billion over ten yrs. He borrows 1.2 trillion a yr thus after he gets his tax hikes he will still borrow 1.1 trillion every yr. Now who is bankrupting our country with excessive spending. You guessed it, Obama.
 
Born Free said:
Who worships money more. If Obama got the tax hikes he wants that would being in around 800 billion over ten yrs. He borrows 1.2 trillion a yr thus after he gets his tax hikes he will still borrow 1.1 trillion every yr. Now who is bankrupting our country with excessive spending. You guessed it, Obama.
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Well, let's be fair. He was GIVEN a $13 trillion debt, unfunded Medicare Part B with the pharmacies getting HUGE welfare checks, two wars with predetermined dates to withdraw and a bunch of pork barrelling republicans. Raising taxes on the rich to the 2000 level will at least put money BACK into the budget the Bush withdrew.
 
Muddy Creek said:
Well, let's be fair. He was GIVEN a $13 trillion debt, unfunded Medicare Part B with the pharmacies getting HUGE welfare checks, two wars with predetermined dates to withdraw and a bunch of pork barrelling republicans. Raising taxes on the rich to the 2000 level will at least put money BACK into the budget the Bush withdrew.
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Like I said Obama is borrowing this yr 1.2 trillion and what he wants in tax hikes is 800 billion over 10 yrs, so now he only has to borrow 1.1 trillion each yr. Wars, Afghanistan Obama said was a "just war" and he added 30,000 more troops and we're still there, and the worst part we're losing the war. Unlike Bush who won the Iraq war. Obama also invaded Libya, the unfunded Medicare Part B had a hole in it which Obama closed. All of this was unfunded by Obama. Pork that is a laugh, McCain has been trying to stop "Pork" for decades. Predetermined dates your talking about Obama, he's the only one that put in place a predetermined date and that was Afghanistan and of course that was a lie.

Then you want to talk about welfare, Obamacare is yet another entitlement that is costing billions of tax payer dollars. Liberal = tax, borrow, spend and freebees.
 
Born Free said:
Like I said Obama is borrowing this yr 1.2 trillion and what he wants in tax hikes is 800 billion over 10 yrs, so now he only has to borrow 1.1 trillion each yr. Wars, Afghanistan Obama said was a "just war" and he added 30,000 more troops and we're still there, and the worst part we're losing the war. Unlike Bush who won the Iraq war. Obama also invaded Libya, the unfunded Medicare Part B had a hole in it which Obama closed. All of this was unfunded by Obama. Pork that is a laugh, McCain has been trying to stop "Pork" for decades. Predetermined dates your talking about Obama, he's the only one that put in place a predetermined date and that was Afghanistan and of course that was a lie.

Then you want to talk about welfare, Obamacare is yet another entitlement that is costing billions of tax payer dollars. Liberal = tax, borrow, spend and freebees.
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He's also needing the permission of your republican congress to ALLOW the money. CONGRESS, not the president, approves the budget money. AND he's asking for stopping corporate tax loopholes which pushed up Bush's $13 trillion debt, and he's asking for cuts in other programs. He's making a better budget deal with more funds to support HIS programs, than the republicans EVER did to support their wars, the Homeland Security and the Medicare Part B.
 
And they pull the vote and the GOP goes home for Christmas. Boehner is in trouble now.
 
<end thread>

Pack up. Go home.

Merry Christmas to all and to all a good night.
 
Muddy Creek said:
Not much of a surprise here. Corporations want your taxes directly into their pockets . By creating a false idea that taxing the rich is bad, coupling it with the republcian religious right wing who worship the rich, Boehner wants to bankrupt the US by giving our social programs to the rich corporations and raise taxes on us to give them more money.

Sick and twisted...and only a fool would have voted for these guys.

SSDD
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yawn. say something new
 
So, they passed the bill adjusting the sequester, but the tax plan was pulled due to Republican objections, I assume. Taxes will be going up on everyone unless the Senate passed the bill that the House already passed which extends the tax cuts for everyone. Im perfectly fine with that. Raise taxes on everyone. Accross the board spending cuts.
 
azgreg said:
And they pull the vote and the GOP goes home for Christmas. Boehner is in trouble now.
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Good for the country if Bohner goes. That will mean a real solution. Time to get someone in who will hold the line against the liberals.
 
jonny5 said:
Good for the country if Bohner goes. That will mean a real solution. Time to get someone in who will hold the line against the liberals.
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The party of clowns continues into the wee hours of the morning.... It is time for a 'no confidence' vote for congress, with complete new elections for the House. Sometimes, I think the Brits have it right....
 
The White House is proposing a 'balanced approach' of cuts along with revenue at about 1:1 which is not bad, why do the Republicans have to quit talks and go off on this tangent? The proposal will lower the deficit by almost $1/4 trillion per year.

Obama proposes Social Security Cuts | Global Research
 
Muddy Creek said:
He's also needing the permission of your republican congress to ALLOW the money. CONGRESS, not the president, approves the budget money. AND he's asking for stopping corporate tax loopholes which pushed up Bush's $13 trillion debt, and he's asking for cuts in other programs. He's making a better budget deal with more funds to support HIS programs, than the republicans EVER did to support their wars, the Homeland Security and the Medicare Part B.
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Yeah, it's Bush's 13 trillion debt, and Obama wants cuts. I can't help myself, I'm rolling on the floor and my gut hurts from laughing so hard. Get a clue.
 
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