Frozengale
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I've stated numerous times that I condemn the building of the Mosque but support their right to build it the two things are not mutually exclusive.
Not all members of the Orthodox Christian Church support killing Albanian Muslims but does that mean we should support building an Orthodox Cathedral in the town of Srebrenica? Not all Germans are Nazi's but does that mean we should support building a German Cultural center at Aushwitz?
I don't see why we can't build those things in those particular place. It's all a matter of perspective. You can see the Mosque being built there as a reminder that Muslims destroyed two of our building and killed many of our people or you can see it as a reminder that not all Muslims are our enemies and that there are some that would not condone such actions. It all comes down to perspective and how you are willing to interpret the action of building a Mosque in that location.
I don't see why we can't build those things in those particular place.
It's all a matter of perspective. You can see the Mosque being built there as a reminder that Muslims destroyed two of our building and killed many of our people or you can see it as a reminder that not all Muslims are our enemies and that there are some that would not condone such actions. It all comes down to perspective and how you are willing to interpret the action of building a Mosque in that location.
It's not at ground zero... and last time I checked, 9-11 didn't change property rights in your country.
Stop crying about it already.
All of these claims about the mosque being built at ground zero are just a bunch of racist, hyperbolic non-sense.
The mosque also received a 9-0 vote from the Landmark commission in NYC to go ahead with building it.
The ignorance, is that donut shops, stippers and sidewalk t-shirt venders didn't murder 3,000 American civilians, just to promote their religion. Where are all the enlightened folks, supporting the Westboro Church in their right to protest soldiers's funerals? That thread is amazingly quiet. Are you going to post your support of their constitutional rights on that thread? Since, you're not as ignorant as the rest of us and all.
A Canadian lecturing about property rights. lol
Sorry this isn't Canada you can't haul me infront of the human rights commission for anti-Islamic speech.
What race would that be? It's two blocks away from the former WTC, ground zero includes the surrounding area as well, this building was actually hit by debris from the attacks.
Nobody here is disagreeing with their right to build it we are asserting that they shouldn't build it.
The ignorance, is that donut shops, stippers and sidewalk t-shirt venders didn't murder 3,000 American civilians, just to promote their religion. Where are all the enlightened folks, supporting the Westboro Church in their right to protest soldiers's funerals? That thread is amazingly quiet. Are you going to post your support of their constitutional rights on that thread? Since, you're not as ignorant as the rest of us and all.
You seriously wouldn't find anything offensive about building a German Cultural Center at Aushwitz or a Orthodox Cathedral at Srebrenica?
You seriously wouldn't find anything offensive about building a German Cultural Center at Aushwitz or a Orthodox Cathedral at Srebrenica?
If this was an attempt at reconciliation rather than provocation then why not build a multicultural community center instead of an islamic community center? Why not build a memorial to the victims of 9-11 instead?
Yes, and? Are we supposed to start banning certain types of buildings and continue to have an unhealthy attachment to the site of the attack? The best we can do is build over it, put a memorial there, and move on with our lives. The fact that people are kicking up a stink about this just goes to show that people can't separate religion from their politics.
I support their right to build it as a place of peaceful worship. This whole guilt by association thing is getting really old.
Why would those things be offensive? Auschwitz practically is a German cultural center right now.
And why would an Orthodox Cathedral at Srebrenica be offensive? The Serbs aren't synonymous with any religion, I don't get it.
lol, it was an ethnic massacre perpetrated by Orthodox Christians against Muslims, and you honestly wouldn't see anything wrong with building a Orthodox Cathedral at the site of that massacre?
Wow.
I'll say it once again for those slow on the uptake, it's not whether or not they should be allowed to build the mosque it's about whether they should build the mosque.
Then would you support building a German Cultural Center at Aushwitz or a Orthodox Cathedral at Srebrenica, perhaps a Shinto Shrine at Pearl Harbor, an Army Memorial at Wounded Knee?
A Canadian lecturing about property rights. lol
The people building the mosque haven't condemned the terroists who did fly those aircraft into the WTC and The Pentagon. Have they?
In fact, imam whateverthehellhisnameis said that it was our fault. Do you support that claim?
And you conveniently ignore that the guy who started the whole Cordoba Initiative was killed in the attacks.
You'd do us all a great favor if you stopped pretending you didn't think that you believe Muslim = Terrorist.
I don't think he ever pretended that was the case...
There is one thing the opponents of the Cordoba Initiative (that plans to build an Islamic cultural center near Ground Zero) have in common with the Cordoba Initiative's leadership: their clear condemnation and denunciation of terrorism. They are united in this belief because every time a terrorist tries to claim the mantle of Islam and commits an act of violence, everyone loses.
(For Imam Feisal Abdul Rauf's statement about the mission of the Cordoba Initiative and condemnation of terrorism, you can go to the front page of their website.)
Faisal: It's painful. When this thing first happened, everybody in the community said, "Oh, God, let this not be a person from our faith, tradition, from our background."
Faisal: Fanaticism and terrorism have no place in Islam. That's just as absurd as associating Hitler with Christianity, or David Koresh with Christianity. There are always people who will do peculiar things, and think that they are doing things in the name of their religion. But the Koran is... God says in the Koran that they think that they are doing right, but they are doing wrong.
I think they SHOULD build it. See how that works?
You act like there is some kind of moral supremacy in this argument. There isn't. They have the right to build it, they have permission to build it, and they aren't associated with the terrorists who did it. Time to move on.
What would be the point of a German cultural centre at Aushwitz? The whole site is a museum.
I don't know enough about Srebrenica to comment.
Shintoists didn't bomb Pearl Harbour, the Japanese did.
Wounded Knee... I think the government has already done a lot to apologize for what happened back then. It was basically a cultural genocide.
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