Pick one: Trump indicted and President in 2024, or un-indicted and never President again.

[JerryW]

And how would you prove that?
Brandon is right: "The Russian goal was simply to sow discord in American elections and politics."
There is no evidence that Russian interference in 2016 helped Trump and maybe hurt Hillary.
I understand that for eight years it's been a big part of the political narrative on the Left. But it does not hold water.
There was no cause and effect.

Not gonna bother beyond this. Cuz you will likely deny the legitimacy of the generally available sources. Heck even the GOP Senate Intelligence Committee (2019) says it happened.

 

[The AntiDonald]

You wrote: "He's surely not smart enough to lead the most powerful country in the world."

Many voters considered the country to be in better shape inflation-wise, immigration wise, and military-wise than it is today.

If Trump is defeated and too old to run again, why would anyone want to listen to him if Biden is re-elected. Your comment makes no sense. If he loses, what power would he have?

Of course he's a pain in the ass. When has he never been such?

His followers will want to listen to him whine and complain, I'm the victim. Do you actually believe if Trump loses this election, it will be the end of MAGA?

Why would anyone want a 'pain in the ass' elected to the WH again?

 

[jaypatriot]

His followers will want to listen to him whine and complain, I'm the victim. Do you actually believe if Trump loses this election, it will be the end of MAGA?

Why would anyone want a 'pain in the ass' elected to the WH again?

Having been called "a pain in the ass" over the decades, it's amazing what people will tolerate if the results are satisfactory.
If Trump loses, then what value would he be to the country?
He'll be too old to run again.
Sure his followers will believe his stupid lies if he loses. To what end?

 

[jaypatriot]

Not gonna bother beyond this. Cuz you will likely deny the legitimacy of the generally available sources. Heck even the GOP Senate Intelligence Committee (2019) says it happened.

You and Rachel Maddow and Shifty Schiff probably exchange fake notes between the three of you in order to keep the lie of Russian support of Trump in 2016 alive. It's a lie that will never die.

 

[Nickyjo]

And how would you prove that?
Brandon is right: "The Russian goal was simply to sow discord in American elections and politics."
There is no evidence that Russian interference in 2016 helped Trump and maybe hurt Hillary.
I understand that for eight years it's been a big part of the political narrative on the Left. But it does not hold water.
There was no cause and effect.

I think that US intelligence agencies concluded that Russia did get involved on behalf of Trump, but that their actions weren’t dispositive. To be fair, Trump asked Putin and Putin denied it.

 

[JerryW]

Russia did get involved on behalf of Trump, but that their actions weren’t dispositive

Maybe "dispositive" is throwing me - findings indicates there was no coordination between the Trump efforts and Russian efforts. (Nor did the Trump efforts work to ensure Russia had no role in influence.)

 

[Nickyjo]

Maybe "dispositive" is throwing me - findings indicates there was no coordination between the Trump efforts and Russian efforts. (Nor did the Trump efforts work to ensure Russia had no role in influence.)

I assume there was no coordination as the Mueller investigation found, tho it also listed several instances where Trump tried to obstruct the investigation. But normal politicians would express something between concern and outrage over reports of Russian involvement. Trump did little, ignoring what US intelligence said and saying he asked Putin who denied it.

 

[jaypatriot]

I think that US intelligence agencies concluded that Russia did get involved on behalf of Trump, but that their actions weren’t dispositive. To be fair, Trump asked Putin and Putin denied it.

In conclusion, no one really knows how Russian operatives affected the outcome of the 2016 election.

 

[Captain America]

Hmmmmm...

That is a damn good question.

Would I like to see Trump thrown in prison? Damn skippy! But, doing the math and going off statistics, I doubt you could amass 12 people in a jury box without one of them being a closet Trump cultist who believes Trump is immune and above the law, infoulable, the evil democrats are just out to get him, and facts are lies and lies are facts, and Trump has a huge and bigly orange **** kissed by Jesus. All it takes is one of those Trumptards so the chances of a conviction are minimal, in the first place, in my opinion. And, even if he was convicted, there would be an immediate appeal that would drag out indefinitely. So, again, Trump behind bars? Minimal at best. And if he was behind bars, and won the election, he would just get himself pardoned anyways so what's the purpose from a disciplinary standpoint?

Would I forgive and forget if he would just go away, never having to hear his voice again, no more 24/7/365 Trump TV? Very tempting, I must confess.

Yeah. I'm gonna roll with option B. Bye-bye Trump. That would be good enough for me all things considered.

 

[MAGAnificent]

The Russian intelligence was that further disruption worked in Trump's favor.

All in your head. Nothing the Russians did assisted either candidate. Hillary lost the 2016 election on her own.

 

[MAGAnificent]

Ok, and who would organize and staff this. The only reason we have this conversation is that spoiled baby Trump can’t stand being perceived as a loser, so has hit upon claiming fraud (without offering evidence) over and over. That got fools like Kari Lake to imitate him, got lots of people to send in money enabling Trump to grow richer or pay his legal bills. Also at work are republicans who see large turnout as harmful to their prospects, hence restrictive voting laws.

I don't know how many times I have to repeat it, however my belief that the election was rigged was not based on anything Trump said or any precinct count he challenged. I have given my reasons over and over again, yet you keep going back to "but Trump".

 

[MAGAnificent]

Basically your whole theory of rigged election.

But then, you are pretty much spinning as you go along.

 

[mike2810]

But then, you are pretty much spinning as you go along.

Provide a link to the evidence that you believe proves the 2020 election was stolen/rigged.

I have asked may times for you and others. You have yet to provide any.

 

[MAGAnificent]

Provide a link to the evidence that you believe proves the 2020 election was stolen/rigged.

I have asked may times for you and others. You have yet to provide any.

Your request is evidence that you simply do not comprehend what you read. The evidence is the mass rush by several states to unsecure mass mailout balloting without even taking the time to clean up their voter rolls. That should have been contested in the courts even before the November election.

 

[hecatmoggie]

clearly liberal will choose "never be POTUS again"

you could add "drop every charge if Trump would drop out of race" and it would bee 85% yes they'd do it

all of this is about election interference, plain and simple

 

[mike2810]

Your request is evidence that you simply do not comprehend what you read. The evidence is the mass rush by several states to unsecure mass mailout balloting without even taking the time to clean up their voter rolls. That should have been contested in the courts even before the November election.

Oh I understand. You continue the rant the same thing and provide no links.

Sorry, your concerns have been proven false in most cases. Where problems were found they were not enough to change the election outcome.

Here is my take. The audits, recounts, signature verifications, etc. prove you have a baseless concern. Guess all the Conservatives who won in 2020 should resign. How can we be sure they actually won.

 

[Nickyjo]

In conclusion, no one really knows how Russian operatives affected the outcome of the 2016 election.

True, but it would have been nice if Trump had complained or at least not backed Putin.

 

[Grogu]

All I ever wanted out of a President, Republican or Democrat, that was elected to two consecutive terms, or a President who was a defeated incumbent, was for them to ride off into the sunset never to be heard from again. Carter was visible as a human rights advocate and Nobel Peace Prize recipient.

Which is what they have all done, except for the aforementioned Carter and Trump. And it’s not like Trump didn’t have enough to keep himself busy after leaving office. His massive ego wouldn’t let him just walk away after the 2020 election loss like he should have. Look at all the legal trouble he’s gotten himself into since he was bound and determined not to concede the election. Arrogant ass. That’s part of the reason I want him to get turned inside out in his various trials.

Needless to say, I voted (B). He could have walked away, but he didn’t.