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Pew: Tea Party support at record low

TheDemSocialist said:
Cutting social services, view gov as a negative, corporate influence, citizens united, against uhc, rhetoric is ridiculous, not grassroots at all, use veterans as political pawns, gov shutdown. Do i need to go on?
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1. Social Services are not the role of the government and need to be cut or at the very least reformed.
2. That is not an accurate representation of the Tea Party to say they view government as a negative.
3. What do you mean by corporate influence?
4. What do you mean by Citizens United?
5. Universal Healthcare is NOT a good thing, just ask people from countries who have it.
6. What rhetoric? That's pretty broad, what specifically?
7. The Tea Party is extremely grass roots, so I'm not sure what you base that off of....
8. How did they use vets as political pawns? Last I checked, the Dems did that during the shutdown. How did the Tea Party do it??
9. The Government shutdown was due to the Democrats unwillingness to negotiate and compromise. Can't pin that on the Tea Party solely.
 

Mitch gave into the President's agenda, he didn't stop it at all or even try to.
 
Yeah, we can stick a fork in the Tea Party.

Don't get me wrong, there are still enough dumb asses to support them and make a stink, just not enough of them to get a president elected. If they were a party of their own, instead of hijacking the GOP like they did, they would already be history.

Only the GOP can put the Tea party where they belong by kicking them to the curb. And, as a matter of self-preservation, I suspect the GOP will do exactly that, sooner than later.

The Dem's want the TP'er's to stay right where they are at. A tainted GOP practically guarantees the dems that they will win future elections.
 
davidtaylorjr said:
Ok, once again, SPECIFICALLY why do you not like the Tea Party. No liberal rhetoric generalizations please. Be specific.
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Arizona SB 1070; state abortions bills that do not reflect the position of the constituents; medical marijuana law passed by Arizona general state vote that tea baggers in office refused to enact until ordered by state court; tea baggers in Tennessee House went ape **** crazy when they discovered a floor level sink in a House bathroom because the dumbasses thought it was a Muslim foot bath; revisionist history school curriculum in states such as Tennessee and Texas; almost every tea bagger on DP is Christian religionist; Ted Cruz, Sarah Palin and other tea baggers attempting to jump in front of the WWII Memorial protest as it was their pet cause; Arizona Vets in fact have schedule a meeting to organize a formal request to Az Tea Party to f*ck off and leave veterans and their issues alone - all of the top of my head.


In short, much of what the Tea Party stands for is really just lipstick on the old Religious Right pig. Same old, same old. To be frank, I have never cared for the Christian Right and I sincerely wish they would stay out of my government and leave the rest of American the hell alone.
 
bubbabgone said:
I'm curious ... are you ideological?
Do you think Obama is ideological?
Or do you think Obama is driven by an overwhelming urge to find common ground with political opposition?
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Of course everybody adheres to some ideology. Strict adherence to ideology is a completely different ball game. Everybody's goal is to get as much as they can that represents their views. At the same time...there's a pragmatic recognition that...you don't always get what you want. When those instances happen you to threaten to blow up the government you horse trade. Do you disagree that ANY compromise by a politician is used by the Tea Party on the right? Even effective politicians on the right are accused of "compromising" with the other side. Compromise is a reality in a democratic government. Not everybody gets what they want and punishing politicians that do their job which includes compromising creates massive amounts of dysfunction/.
 
davidtaylorjr said:
Mitch gave into the President's agenda, he didn't stop it at all or even try to.
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Mitch McConnell and John Boehner saved your party. Moderate conservative voters had already abandoned the tactic of the shutdown and threatening the debt ceiling. The donor class of the Republican party was already threatening to jump ship. Both realized you play the long game and ruining the Republican Party doesn't accomplish anything. Part of being a politician is realizing when the jig is up. There was no surge in approval for Republicans fighting against Obamacare. It was the opposite.

You fight the fights you can win...this whole thing was a losing strategy from the get go which Boehner pointed out. What exactly did Republicans get outside of a drop in approval ratings? Do you think actually passing the debt ceiling would of led to some massive appreciation of the Republican party? McConnell is an astute politician. Someone like Cruz is just plain and simple a demagogue.
 

They gave up so they didn't get anything. That's my entire point. They should have kept fighting, they should have let the shutdown go on until Obama came to the table.
 
davidtaylorjr said:
They gave up so they didn't get anything. That's my entire point. They should have kept fighting, they should have let the shutdown go on until Obama came to the table.
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Why would Obama come to the table? How far should report for the party deteriorate? Why exactly do you think everyone would start blaming Obama when it became apparent that people were blaming the Republican party? What exactly do you think would happen once the debt ceiling was passed and we were paying our debt but SS checks stopped going out?

Do you think there would be more or less pressure for a bill that just straight up raise the debt ceiling? What do you think individuals who give millions to the Republican party because it serves their interest would do after we hit a recession as 100's of billions in spending just evaporated over night? What do you think would be the long term effects of the party?

There's already a (albeit small) chance this could result in the loss of the House for Republicans. If this would of dragged out further not only would those chances increase over time but there's a very strong possibility that you create whole generations of future Democratic Party voters. Basically what happened post New Deal.
 
davidtaylorjr said:
They gave up so they didn't get anything. That's my entire point. They should have kept fighting, they should have let the shutdown go on until Obama came to the table.
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keep fighting? do you realize that the democrats were not going to cave on the issue of obamacare.
 

You see, I am a man of principle. I think politicians should be too. I wouldn't cave because someone isn't willing to even talk. I applaud the Tea Party Conservatives who stood up for what is right.
 
Unitedwestand13 said:
keep fighting? do you realize that the democrats were not going to cave on the issue of obamacare.
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Which is why they should have kept the Gov shutdown. At some point something was going to give, they gave in way too soon. Spineless.
 
Carleen said:
Obviously they had no power in trying to destroy the ACA did they?
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Actually since the majority of Americans don't like Obamacare, it seems the majority of Americans have no power to destroy Obamacare.

Just another example of the liberal minority telling the majority "Do as I say not as I do."

BTW: What's with this ACA ?

Are you referring to the "Air Combat Command"; "Airspace Control Authority"; "American Canine Association"; "American Chiropractic Association"; or the "American Canoe Association" ?
 
davidtaylorjr said:
You see, I am a man of principle. I think politicians should be too. I wouldn't cave because someone isn't willing to even talk. I applaud the Tea Party Conservatives who stood up for what is right.
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So even if it damages the party in the long run you think they should of stuck it out? Obamacare will never be repealed under threat of shutdown or not raising the debt ceiling. For one......the principle...we live in a democracy...no one wants a norm where important/large pieces of legislation are overturned due to threats of shutdown or not raising the debt ceiling. Would you want a government where say...the Bush Tax cuts were repealed because a Democratic controlled house threatened to raise the debt ceiling?
 
davidtaylorjr said:
No, they DID commit political suicide.
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what exactly were the republicans hoping to gain from this? The state exchanges opened on October 1st, regardless of the government shutdown. Obamacare's funding is mandatory, a "entitlement, so no way it could make it to the chopping block.

What did the republicans get for shutting down the government? absolutely nothing.
 

Considering a majority of Americans want ObamaCare gone, I think there would be some standing on this issue. Obama and the Dems refuse to listen to the people and instead say "oh they re-elected us because they want ObamaCare" which is quite frankly, retarded.
 

Because they quit.
 

Ha Ha, very funny!
 

even if the people support the delay or repeal obamacare, i don't believe anyone would support shutting down the government as a way of forcing the issue.

want to change Obamacare, win elections and do it via the legislative process, not resort to shock doctrine.
 

Ok...let's go ahead and say the majority of Americans want Obamacare gone. From the polls I've seen the answer is actually more nuanced. Liberals hate Obamacare because they want Single Payer...Conservative hate it because they it's government overreach. Everyone else doesn't know what the hell is in it. They made it evident they don't hate Obamacare enough to shutdown the government or not raise the debt ceiling. In fact post shutdown the approvals for Obamacare have increased. Not only did the shutdown and threat of a debt ceiling not accomplish the goals it's actually been counter productive to achieving Republican goals.
 
davidtaylorjr said:
Considering a majority of Americans want ObamaCare gone, .
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Really?

Polls consistently show that Americans aren’t happy with Obamacare. They think the law will make health care more expensive, and decrease its quality. But a new survey of 1,976 registered voters finds that only 33 percent believe that the health law should be repealed, delayed, or defunded. 29 percent believe that “Congress should make changes to improve the law,” 26 percent believe that “Congress should let the law take effect” and see what happens, and 12 percent believe that the law should be expanded. The bottom line? Voters are skeptical that Obamacare will live up to Democrats’ hype. But they also believe that it should be given a chance to succeed.

New Poll: Only One-Third Of Americans Support Repealing, Defunding Or Delaying Obamacare - Forbes
 

Is there even a post shutdown approval poll? That just happened last night.....
 

One poll versus how many others? Liberals......
 

You're lying, and you know it. There hasn't been single good things said about the Tea Party around here by a lefty. You'd be praising them if you thought they were good for you, and encouraging their policies. You're scared to death of anyone that wants to change Washington.
 
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