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I mean the cost of the car -- what someone pays to purchase one.
As usual your wingnut source is full of **** on the $250k per car claim. :roll:
$250k Chevy Volt subsidy claim bogus says TheStreet.com
Even better yet, your lefty car source says the actual math shows $500K per car, not the $250K cited....Yeah, that's better.
j-mac
Sure, if you don't understand what the author was saying you could come to that conclusion. Otherwise ... not so much.
What makes the car site "lefty", btw?
yeah, we should all wait for our resident lefty to explain it to us.
The fact that you posted it...You don't post anything that doesn't agree with your own ideology.
One would hope for a base level of reading comprehension, but one appears to be overly optimisitic....
$20K is not a lot of moneyQUOTE]
To whom? Its a lot of money to me. If its not to you, then why dont you do the liberal thing and give it to me, since i clearly have more need of it than you. Lets do some redistributing of wealth!
And thus, propaganda is born :shock:
What I quoted in my post. Sorry, since there is no audio function at this forum, I can't read it to you. However, I'll give you a tip: Canada didn't sell China any oil, per se... China exercised an option to buy -- from a private Canadian company -- 60% of a particular oil field project that they already owned 40% of, which in total consists of about 4.5% (6,400 km[sup]2[/sup]) of the total Athabasca Oil Sands field (141,0000 km[sup]2[/sup]). Note that this information has already been posted in this thread (by me), and by the OP (in lesser detail).What propaganda?
What I quoted in my post. Sorry, since there is no audio function at this forum, I can't read it to you. However, I'll give you a tip: Canada didn't sell China any oil, per se... China exercised an option to buy -- from a private Canadian company -- 60% of a particular oil field project that they already owned 40% of, which in total consists of about 4.5% (6,400 km[sup]2[/sup]) of the total Athabasca Oil Sands field (141,0000 km[sup]2[/sup]). Note that this information has already been posted in this thread (by me), and by the OP (in lesser detail).
Furthermore there is no indication from anyone involved in the transaction that it in any way, shape, form, or fashion involved any progress or lack thereof of the Keystone XL pipeline. So, propaganda: a bit of truth -- sale of an oil field project -- is combined with a lie -- that it was sold because of Obama -- to make propaganda. Happy now?
You see, to try and keep track of all the right wing propaganda would really require a dedicated staff and a separate forum -- so, best just to call it out when seen. Rational folk who are interested in, or familiar with, the facts will get it. The Kool Aid drinkers will not, since they are interested in an agenda, not facts. C'est la vie.
If I ever need expert instruction in the construction of troll posts, I'll look you up.If ever you find yourself in need of employment, the circus could sure use a contortionist.
If I ever need expert instruction in the construction of troll posts, I'll look you up.
If I ever need expert instruction in the construction of troll posts, I'll look you up.
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Actually the capitalists ('banksters') are in charge; the idiots are merely the front men used to present a false facade of democracy.[...] So my American friends, it seems we are at a crossroads. We both to seem to have an idiot in charge of our countries working against what should be done to make our countries more prosperous.
The naivete of this thinking is astounding. The federal government is spending $billions on alternative energy, and you have to gall to sit there and say hopefully we'll get serious. You get serious yourself, send in your retirement, sell your home and send that in, empty your pockets and send that. I'm sick of people telling us to get serious. Open your eyes and look out of your windows for a change.Maybe now the US will get serious about getting off oil and moving toward a renewable energy source we can make in-house.
The handwriting has been on the wall for decades - Jimmy Carter saw it back in the 1970s and tried to implement a plan to avert the US being hostage to countries that control oil. The oil industry was not having it and started contributing heavily to political campaigns creating a second mess we are still dealing with today.
The view outside that window is one of a country that is a petroleum junkie, as much a failure as a heroin addict or an alcoholic... a country populated by some that don't even see the need to 'kick the habit'. What we need is a Petroleum Anonymous:The naivete of this thinking is astounding. The federal government is spending $billions on alternative energy, and you have to gall to sit there and say hopefully we'll get serious. You get serious yourself, send in your retirement, sell your home and send that in, empty your pockets and send that. I'm sick of people telling us to get serious. Open your eyes and look out of your windows for a change.Maybe now the US will get serious about getting off oil and moving toward a renewable energy source we can make in-house.
The handwriting has been on the wall for decades - Jimmy Carter saw it back in the 1970s and tried to implement a plan to avert the US being hostage to countries that control oil. The oil industry was not having it and started contributing heavily to political campaigns creating a second mess we are still dealing with today.
The naivete of this thinking is astounding. The federal government is spending $billions on alternative energy, and you have to gall to sit there and say hopefully we'll get serious. You get serious yourself, send in your retirement, sell your home and send that in, empty your pockets and send that. I'm sick of people telling us to get serious. Open your eyes and look out of your windows for a change.
I'm not wrong in the least. The federal government has a huge program aimed at alternative energy every since Bush was president. End of story.You are extremely wrong.
I love to drive, aways have. Just an hour ago I returned from 11 hour round trip, much of it through the desert. Few things are more enjoyable and on days like today when I can get out of the office and drive through the desert alone I love my job. I love to drive fast. My wife and I have cars and a truck, motorcycles and scooters. If it burns oil we love it.
The world is likely beyond peak oil. Oil sand development is an excellent indication that the world now consumes more oil than the earth can produce. Consumption is going to increase as China and India replace the US in demanding oil. There are a number of other indicators, but I assume you know all this and there's no sense in posting it.
As much as I hate it, we no longer joyride on motorcycles. In fact, they are all for sale with the exception of one scooter. We have been trying to cut down on gasoline consumption in general. Not because our lower consumption is going to make a difference in the world but because we know that sooner rather than later we are all going to have to make major oil consumption sacrifices. Petroleum may sputter and fart a bit, but the price of oil is going to go up and up and up and so is damn near everything we use or consume from food to medicine to garbage bags to fertilizer to damn near anything you can name. At the present alternative fuel is not going to provide an option for any number of things petroleum related. You also seem to think that viable alternatives will be available before petroleum scarcity forces petroleum sky high. I'd be happy if you'd share a few timelines with us because I don't know about any favorable ones.
You claim the FD is astoundingly naive but you fail to mention exactly how and, as important, why.
Washington has no balls. That includes your beloved and worshipped conservatives in Congress. If Obama had balls, if Congress had balls, they would tell the nation the good times are gone. As much as I feckin hate to say it, they should drop the speed limit nationally. I hate that. Washington needs to have a frank discussion with the nation and explain that we can party on until until the lights go out or that we can conserve, seriously conserve, while we seriously work on alternative fuels. That's a plural, as in fuels. There is no one solution. "The clock is ticking and as there are variables beyond our control we don't really know how much time is left so it is better to sacrifice on the front end" - that kind of discussion. They need to have the kind of discussion that suggests people like commercial freight (shipping, rail, trucking and air) gets a price and/or tax break while the rest of us curtail our petroleum usage or pay much higher transportation taxes.
Alternative energy is much more viable when we aren't talking about transportation. When you talk about "billions" the government is spending you haven't been specific as to which type of energy you are referring, for what purpose, and you neglected to give us any real comparisons. How do you know that FD is naive?
I'm not wrong in the least. The federal government has a huge program aimed at alternative energy every since Bush was president. End of story.
I wonder what would have happened if JFK would have said in his moon speech that we had to suspend all airline use in order to achieve that....
j-mac
Approximately 615, @ $65.
j-mac
You are, sorry.Compared to what?
So, you just say so and it is therefore truth? No, no, no. If FD is naive then so am I. If you want to change people's opinions the provide people with justification for what you know to be true and back it up with resources.
I have always been in support or the HoC nationalising the oil sands in Alberta. We need to put a Crown Corp. in charge of them to benefit Canada the most. Harper, the amazing idiot he is, let this happen. I'm surprised he didn't step in like he did with Saskatchewan's Potash. He is letting billions that should be helping make Canada a more prosperous country slip away to a foreign power, again.
So my American friends, it seems we are at a crossroads. We both to seem to have an idiot in charge of our countries working against what should be done to make our countries more prosperous.
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