People need to differentiate between Normal MAGA and extremist MAGA

[Ikari]

He didn't run away. I didn't run away. He wrote a post, and all you did was offer nonsense. Dispute what he wrote instead of using MAGA this, MAGA said that, you "never have anything" mantras. You haven't refuted what he wrote. You used ad hominem fallacy and that's weak soup. For instance, Jeanne Carroll was supported by a mega Democrat donor. If it were not for him, she couldn't have sued Trump for defamation. It is also true that two NY prosecutors campaigned on going after DJT. Both are examples of lawfare, to which Captain Adverse spoke about in his post.

All he did was offer bullshit. Trump caught 34 felony convictions, and all he had to say was "it was politically motivated". There's nothing to refute there, he's just making a MAGA claim to paint Trump as a victim, we've heard the same BS from y'all for a long, long time now. A DA or prosecutor saying they're going after a criminal doesn't mean that it's politically motivated. It just means that they're interested in holding everyone accountable to the same laws.

 

[Ikari]

Tried to impeach him, jail him, bankrupt him, remove him from the ballot. When that failed the Biden administration created conditions for Trump to die. When that failed Biden had to be removed as unfit to defeat Trump.

Well he did try to quid pro quo Ukraine for the first one, he did inspire a sedition and work to overturn an election for the second. He did commit crimes and caught charges for it.

Seems like Trump is a victim of himself more than anyone else.

 

[Captain Adverse]

Too bad that you didn't respect @Captain Adverse's opinion as I did.
How about you actually try to dispute what he wrote now.

(Sigh) Ikari acts as if there is no publicly available evidence for my statements:

Here is NY AG Leticia James on "getting Trump."

Letitia James' Words Come Back to Haunt Her | Law & Crime

New York’s Attorney General Letitia James made waves before she was officially sworn in, but those waves (as predicted) appear to be crashing down on her. Recall that James was not in the least bit indirect about her intentions regarding the Trump family one she became AG.

lawandcrime.com

Here is Alvin Bragg on "getting Trump:"

Darden: "One of the things leading into this vote for the Manhattan district attorney’s office, I know a lot of people are wondering, whoever has this job, are they going to convict Donald Trump?"

Bragg: "That is the number one issue we know he’s investigating. And what I’ll say is I’m the only, I was the first to announce against Cy Vance. I, too, have a lot of issues, which is why I decided to run.

"I’m the candidate in the race who has the experience with Donald Trump. I was the chief deputy in the attorney general’s office. We sued the Trump administration over 100 times, for the Muslim travel ban, for family separation at the border, for shenanigans with the census. So, I know how to litigate with him. I also led the team that did the Trump Foundation case. So, I’m ready to go wherever the facts take me, and to inherit that case. And I think it’d be hard to argue with the fact that that’d be the most important, most high-profile case, and I’ve seen him up front and seen the lawlessness that he could do."

Rosenberg: "And you believe it should happen?"

Bragg: "I believe we have to hold him accountable."

Did Alvin Bragg campaign on taking down Donald Trump?

Former President Donald Trump has framed a New York criminal investigation into his business activities as a politicized

www.politifact.com

Fani Willis:

A prosecutor in Georgia has filed charges against Donald Trump over his efforts to steal the 2020 election in that state. On Monday, Fani Willis, the district attorney of Fulton County, charged Trump with 13 counts, including racketeering and conspiracy. And the former president had company. Several of his attorneys, campaign aides, and administration officials were charged as well, including Rudy Giuliani and former White House chief of staff Mark Meadows. You can read the full indictment at this link.

How Atlanta prosecutor Fani Willis took on Donald Trump

The former president was charged with 13 counts in Georgia.

www.vox.com

Cases all coming one after the other targeting Trump both criminally and civilly depending on the case and locale.

I haven't even touched on the Biden "Secret Documents case" which was also "lawfare" as proven by the DOJ treating Biden differently for retaining "secret documents" without his ever having the authority to declassify them at the time. Done and shared with a person in order to work with a writer for his biography.

But Trump? Public raid on "Mar-a-Lago" and then the attempt to charge him over possession of classified documents. This by the same "Special Counsel" who was seeking to charge him over the 1/6 situation in D.C.

 

[brianpatrick]

Trump Derangement Syndrome, a hatred of President Trump so intense that it impairs people’s judgment.


Case in point.

TDS: a blind cult like love for Trump such that you are willing to overlook all of his criminal and vile behavior, as well as his lack of intelligence and qualifications to be POTUS, and vote for him anyway.

 

[trixare4kids]

(Sigh) Ikari acts as if there is no publicly available evidence for my statements:

Here is NY AG Leticia James on "getting Trump."

Letitia James' Words Come Back to Haunt Her | Law & Crime

New York’s Attorney General Letitia James made waves before she was officially sworn in, but those waves (as predicted) appear to be crashing down on her. Recall that James was not in the least bit indirect about her intentions regarding the Trump family one she became AG.

lawandcrime.com

Here is Alvin Bragg on "getting Trump:"

Darden: "One of the things leading into this vote for the Manhattan district attorney’s office, I know a lot of people are wondering, whoever has this job, are they going to convict Donald Trump?"

Bragg: "That is the number one issue we know he’s investigating. And what I’ll say is I’m the only, I was the first to announce against Cy Vance. I, too, have a lot of issues, which is why I decided to run.

"I’m the candidate in the race who has the experience with Donald Trump. I was the chief deputy in the attorney general’s office. We sued the Trump administration over 100 times, for the Muslim travel ban, for family separation at the border, for shenanigans with the census. So, I know how to litigate with him. I also led the team that did the Trump Foundation case. So, I’m ready to go wherever the facts take me, and to inherit that case. And I think it’d be hard to argue with the fact that that’d be the most important, most high-profile case, and I’ve seen him up front and seen the lawlessness that he could do."

Rosenberg: "And you believe it should happen?"

Bragg: "I believe we have to hold him accountable."

Did Alvin Bragg campaign on taking down Donald Trump?

Former President Donald Trump has framed a New York criminal investigation into his business activities as a politicized

www.politifact.com

Fani Willis:

A prosecutor in Georgia has filed charges against Donald Trump over his efforts to steal the 2020 election in that state. On Monday, Fani Willis, the district attorney of Fulton County, charged Trump with 13 counts, including racketeering and conspiracy. And the former president had company. Several of his attorneys, campaign aides, and administration officials were charged as well, including Rudy Giuliani and former White House chief of staff Mark Meadows. You can read the full indictment at this link.

How Atlanta prosecutor Fani Willis took on Donald Trump

The former president was charged with 13 counts in Georgia.

www.vox.com

Cases all coming one after the other targeting Trump both criminally and civilly depending on the case and locale.

I haven't even touched on the Biden "Secret Documents case" which was also "lawfare" as proven by the DOJ treating Biden differently for retaining "secret documents" without his ever having the authority to declassify them at the time. Done and shared with a person in order to work with a writer for his biography.

Lawfare! Using the law to go after one's political adversaries. You proved it.

I can't wait to read Ikari's rebuttal.

Here's another which proves EG Carroll's rape fantasy would have never survived without the lawfaring of big Democrat donor, Reid Hoffman. What's worse is that Trumps attorneys were gagged from mentioning this information to the jury.
More lawfaring from a crooked, biased judge.

Judge says Trump's lawyers can't talk about billionaire funding E. Jean Carroll's rape lawsuit

LinkedIn founder Reid Hoffman contributed money to E. Jean Carroll's rape lawsuit against Trump, but the judge said it has no bearing on her claims.

www.businessinsider.com

 

[uptower]

People need to differentiate between Normal MAGA and extremist MAGA. The average Trumper is not the same as the Proud Boys, Neo-Nazis, Neoconfederates. The Trump campaign is not officially racist or for any form of ideas that would overturn American historical ideas. What Trump is saying is that he uses "trigger words" to kind of stir up the opposition. Its a bully tactic that it. Trump may be a bully but not an extremist.

Oh but he is. He attempted a coup on Jan 6, to overturn an election he knew he’d lost. That’s pretty…extreme.

 

[Simon W. Moon]

(Sigh) ... D.C.

EVERY

TIME

@trixare4kids

every time I see a​

candidate for prosecuting attorney​

campaign on locking up criminals​

I clutch my pearls harder​

WTF is this world coming to when prosecutors promise to lock up crooks?

 

[Ikari]

(Sigh) Ikari acts as if there is no publicly available evidence for my statements:

Here is NY AG Leticia James on "getting Trump."

Letitia James' Words Come Back to Haunt Her | Law & Crime

New York’s Attorney General Letitia James made waves before she was officially sworn in, but those waves (as predicted) appear to be crashing down on her. Recall that James was not in the least bit indirect about her intentions regarding the Trump family one she became AG.

lawandcrime.com

Here is Alvin Bragg on "getting Trump:"

Darden: "One of the things leading into this vote for the Manhattan district attorney’s office, I know a lot of people are wondering, whoever has this job, are they going to convict Donald Trump?"

Bragg: "That is the number one issue we know he’s investigating. And what I’ll say is I’m the only, I was the first to announce against Cy Vance. I, too, have a lot of issues, which is why I decided to run.

"I’m the candidate in the race who has the experience with Donald Trump. I was the chief deputy in the attorney general’s office. We sued the Trump administration over 100 times, for the Muslim travel ban, for family separation at the border, for shenanigans with the census. So, I know how to litigate with him. I also led the team that did the Trump Foundation case. So, I’m ready to go wherever the facts take me, and to inherit that case. And I think it’d be hard to argue with the fact that that’d be the most important, most high-profile case, and I’ve seen him up front and seen the lawlessness that he could do."

Rosenberg: "And you believe it should happen?"

Bragg: "I believe we have to hold him accountable."

Did Alvin Bragg campaign on taking down Donald Trump?

Former President Donald Trump has framed a New York criminal investigation into his business activities as a politicized

www.politifact.com

Fani Willis:

A prosecutor in Georgia has filed charges against Donald Trump over his efforts to steal the 2020 election in that state. On Monday, Fani Willis, the district attorney of Fulton County, charged Trump with 13 counts, including racketeering and conspiracy. And the former president had company. Several of his attorneys, campaign aides, and administration officials were charged as well, including Rudy Giuliani and former White House chief of staff Mark Meadows. You can read the full indictment at this link.

How Atlanta prosecutor Fani Willis took on Donald Trump

The former president was charged with 13 counts in Georgia.

www.vox.com

Cases all coming one after the other targeting Trump both criminally and civilly depending on the case and locale.

I haven't even touched on the Biden "Secret Documents case" which was also "lawfare" as proven by the DOJ treating Biden differently for retaining "secret documents" without his ever having the authority to declassify them at the time. Done and shared with a person in order to work with a writer for his biography.

But Trump? Public raid on "Mar-a-Lago" and then the attempt to charge him over possession of classified documents. This by the same "Special Counsel" who was seeking to charge him over the 1/6 situation in D.C.

Trump is a criminal, why shouldn't we "get him"?

 

[trixare4kids]

TDS: a blind cult like love for Trump such that you are willing to overlook all of his criminal and vile behavior, as well as his lack of intelligence and qualifications to be POTUS, and vote for him anyway.

You're preaching to the choir, attempting to hold up Harris as something she is not; intellectually articulate.

 

[Captain Adverse]

Trump is a criminal, why shouldn't we "get him"?

Thanks for openly admitting your bias. Much appreciated.

I will keep a link to your response for future reference.

 

[Ikari]

Thanks for openly admitting your bias. Much appreciated.

I will keep a link to your response for future reference.

There's nothing wrong with going after criminals. You seem to think that's "bias". Maybe an anti-criminal bias.

lol

 

[trixare4kids]

EVERY

TIME

@trixare4kids

every time I see a​

candidate for prosecuting attorney​

campaign on locking up criminals​

I clutch my pearls harder​

WTF is this world coming to when Partisan Democrat prosecutors promise to lock up crooks their political opposition.

I fixed it for you.

 

[trixare4kids]

Thanks for openly admitting your bias. Much appreciated.

I will keep a link to your response for future reference.

You should keep your promise.
Ikari is one, who without concrete evidence, has always declared Trump guilty of crimes. Yes, that makes him biased.

 

[Diving Mullah]

People need to differentiate between Normal MAGA and extremist MAGA. The average Trumper is not the same as the Proud Boys, Neo-Nazis, Neoconfederates. The Trump campaign is not officially racist or for any form of ideas that would overturn American historical ideas. What Trump is saying is that he uses "trigger words" to kind of stir up the opposition. Its a bully tactic that it. Trump may be a bully but not an extremist.

I don't know what you mean by normal Maga and extreme maga.

First, let's define what Maga is to you. I assume consider yourself a MAGA and that means Make America Great Again.

Can you point to a period of history in the United States when you think America was great (explain why and how it was great) and you want to return to those ideals and values?

Diving Mullah

 

[Ikari]

You should keep your promise.
Ikari is one, who without concrete evidence, has always declared Trump guilty of crimes. Yes, that makes him biased.

Trump's already been convicted of felonies, and has many more indictments.

lol

MAGA and reality, like oil and water.

 

[trixare4kids]

Trump's already been convicted of felonies, and has many more indictments.

lol

MAGA and reality, like oil and water.

Moving the Goal Post fallacy peppered with an ad hominem fail.

Now for the facts.
You were always one absent of concrete proof who declared Trump guilty of impeachments, insurrection, not being put on the ballot legally in the state of CO, federal high crimes and treason, and civil crimes where there have been no convictions. Not sure where you stood on the Russian-Putin/Trump collusion delusion though. I'd have to do more research.

 

[Ikari]

Moving the Goal Post fallacy.
You were always one absent of concrete proof who declared Trump guilty of impeachments, insurrection, federal high crimes and treason, and civil crimes where there have been no convictions.

That's not "moving the goal post"

lol

Man, you're just making things up, as usual.

Trump was impeached, he was never found guilty of them. Trump did inspire the 1/6 Sedition, Trump did attempt to overturn an election because he lost. We saw all this play out in real time. You just can't accept it because it's your Dear Leader. That's all.

And Trump has been convicted of multiple felonies at this point, he is indicted on many more. All of these stem from shit that Trump did. Just a fact.

 

[Captain Adverse]

You should keep your promise.
Ikari is one, who without concrete evidence, has always declared Trump guilty of crimes. Yes, that makes him biased.

Exactly.

What Leticia James and her confederate Judge Engeron did was clearly lawfare. The evidence clearly showed Trump did nothing wrong in seeking loans, and all the banks agreed that they were satisfied with all the terms of the loan guarantees.

This law allowed Ms. James to seek a claim on behalf of no one, meaning all the money will go to the State if the ultimate decision at the end of all appeals is in favor of New York. Gee, no doubt the NY State Court system will be "fair" when there are hundreds of millions of dollars which could go into the State coffers.

I could also comment on all the other "charges" in detail too, but I would simply be repeating the facts as I've already presented in each case.

IMO only a completely partisan viewpoint based on anti-Trump TDS would allow anyone to believe Trump was not the target of a financial and criminal effort at a social, financial, and criminal lynching via lawfare.

 

[ModernDiogenes]

People need to differentiate between Normal MAGA and extremist MAGA. The average Trumper is not the same as the Proud Boys, Neo-Nazis, Neoconfederates. The Trump campaign is not officially racist or for any form of ideas that would overturn American historical ideas. What Trump is saying is that he uses "trigger words" to kind of stir up the opposition. Its a bully tactic that it. Trump may be a bully but not an extremist.

I know the average Trump supporter isn’t a neo-NAZI or a Proud Boy. That’s not my problem with MAGA’ites.

My problem with them is they are all ethically challenged.

The simple equation of “right vs. wrong” they fall on the wrong side of. They look at a guy who very clearly, by way of his very well documented life, is a career criminal, a grifter, charlatan, con man, and determine that this man if fit to be a world leader.

On the face of it it’s very simply just plain wrong. There is no justification based in any real world fact that makes it OK.

“Look at the other guys.” Well, OK, we looked. Not great and I want better but no way equivalent to the kind of fraud and betrayal Trump has committed in his life.

“He’s gonna make us great again! ‘Merica First!!!” Well, no. Trump only puts himself first. That’s kinda obvious to anyone with a brain, and what has he done to make America great ‘cept line his own pockets. Common sense dictates his pathological level lying alone makes anything he promises unbelievable; including Making America Great Again.

“He’s gonna give us what we want”. Well, if you want women’s right to choose invalidated, corporate deregulation and tax cuts and are selfish enough that you’ll sell out the rest of us that this would hurt to get it, this is the only argument that makes any sense. So if you are willing to sell your soul, what you were ever taught about right vs. wrong, to get this… Well, OK then. You are another Donald Trump yourself and I guess birds of a feather and all…

 

[eohrnberger]

Lawfare! Using the law to go after one's political adversaries. You proved it.

Be prepared for the 'No Evidence Good Enough Gang'.

I can't wait to read Ikari's rebuttal.

Here's another which proves EG Carroll's rape fantasy would have never survived without the lawfaring of big Democrat donor, Reid Hoffman. What's worse is that Trumps attorneys were gagged from mentioning this information to the jury.
More lawfaring from a crooked, biased judge.

Judge says Trump's lawyers can't talk about billionaire funding E. Jean Carroll's rape lawsuit

LinkedIn founder Reid Hoffman contributed money to E. Jean Carroll's rape lawsuit against Trump, but the judge said it has no bearing on her claims.

www.businessinsider.com

 

[PeacefulWarrior]

People need to differentiate between Normal MAGA and extremist MAGA. The average Trumper is not the same as the Proud Boys, Neo-Nazis, Neoconfederates. The Trump campaign is not officially racist or for any form of ideas that would overturn American historical ideas. What Trump is saying is that he uses "trigger words" to kind of stir up the opposition. Its a bully tactic that it. Trump may be a bully but not an extremist.

 

[eohrnberger]

You should keep your promise.
Ikari is one, who without concrete evidence, has always declared Trump guilty of crimes. Yes, that makes him biased.

What's more, he's also one of the many here which blow a spontaneous riot on 1/6 into treason, insurrection, sedition, and God only knows what all else.

The commonality being strictly along political lines, and little else. All too telling, if you ask me.

 

[trixare4kids]

Tried to impeach him, jail him, bankrupt him, remove him from the ballot. When that failed the Biden administration created conditions for Trump to die. When that failed Biden had to be removed as unfit to defeat Trump.

No truer words. The Trump haters are the only group who thinks they deserve victimhood. As if the Republicans pulled the shit they did try to do to Trump and his family. Only people who feel like victims crying foul every ten minutes are the real victims.

 

[ModernDiogenes]

Post Script to 144: the question becomes are you, the Trump supporter, ethically challenged because you know the difference is between right and wrong and you are willfully choosing wrong, or whether you don’t see it as what it is at its base, the decision to support good character and ethics based behavior or validate with your support horrible character and unethical, literally criminal, behavior.

 

[Simon W. Moon]

You should keep your promise.
Ikari is one, who without concrete evidence, has always declared Trump guilty of crimes. Yes, that makes him biased.

fyi & fwiw
it was a jury of regular Americans who "declared" Trump guilty