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People need to differentiate between Normal MAGA and extremist MAGA

Captain Adverse said:
No he didn't. Every charge brought against him by openly partisan Democrat D.A.'s was based on an "I promise to 'get Trump' if I am elected!" platform.

He was then tried in Courts presided over by (once again) openly partisan Democrat Judges.

As posted in this Forum at the time, I was following the cases closely. My responses are in the appropriate threads of this Forum.



No, as pointed out back then and reiterated in another thread today, the plan was to follow the Constitutional process for challenging Electors. There is absolutely NO EVIDENCE that Trump ever planned for or organized a rally in order to "assault Congress" to take over the government.



Actually, it is you so-called Liberals/Democrats/Whatever who IMO suffer from severe TDS and so blind yourselves with visceral hatred. Amazingly so, when most of the issues are all in your own heads as far as I can see.



Wrong again. Typically, you accuse others of what your side actually is and acts like. IMO you are not "Liberals," you are extreme Left and everything your sides does is LITERALLY reflective of the "Cultural Revolutions" of Mao, Lenin, Pol Pot, etc.
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Only Trump voters have TDS. Given all we know in 2024 about old Donny, it’s inexcusable to vote for him. You should be ashamed of yourself.
 
Calidebater said:
People need to differentiate between Normal MAGA and extremist MAGA. The average Trumper is not the same as the Proud Boys, Neo-Nazis, Neoconfederates. The Trump campaign is not officially racist or for any form of ideas that would overturn American historical ideas. What Trump is saying is that he uses "trigger words" to kind of stir up the opposition. Its a bully tactic that it. Trump may be a bully but not an extremist.
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The Trump campaign is now running Dark Enlightenment, Peter Thiel financed J.D Vance as their VP, so I'd say any chances they are not going for extremism is out the window.

If you use the language of the Proud Boys, Neo Nazis and Neoconfederates and refuse to condemn them, then you are pretty much running their campaign. When politicians tell you who they are, you should believe them. Chances are they are telling the truth.
 
Craig234 said:
You're mostly wrong. Yes, not all MAGA are alike. But trump is an extremist and an extremist threat and does threaten "American historical ideas". He already has tried. I don't want to make a gratuitous Hitler mention (plenty are justified though), but it is pretty similar to the arguments people had about Hitler as he rose to power. 'Oh, he's against war, he'll moderate'.
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Right ! We've been waiting for Trump to become 'presidential' for roughly 8 years. If he hasn't done it yet, it ain't happening.
 
Calidebater said:
People need to differentiate between Normal MAGA and extremist MAGA. The average Trumper is not the same as the Proud Boys, Neo-Nazis, Neoconfederates. The Trump campaign is not officially racist or for any form of ideas that would overturn American historical ideas. What Trump is saying is that he uses "trigger words" to kind of stir up the opposition. Its a bully tactic that it. Trump may be a bully but not an extremist.
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There is no difference.

MAGA is MAGA, and Trump is basically King Shit of Turd Mountain.

If you don’t care for what MAGA stands for, try not being a MAGA.
 
Calidebater said:
People need to differentiate between Normal MAGA and extremist MAGA.
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Agreed. There are all kinds of shades in that spectrum.

Calidebater said:
The average Trumper is not the same as the Proud Boys, Neo-Nazis, Neoconfederates.
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LOL. All the 'usual suspects' dictating the false binary choice and promoting the tribal 'Us vs. them', strictly binary thinking, as if they aren't capable of more than that (or maybe they are not?)

Face it, anyone who has the temerity of holding a differing opinion or position than theirs is immediate cast into the 'Not Us' group, and falsely conflated into Proud Boys, Neo-Nazis, Neoconfederates.
This all because one of their core values, if not THE core value being: 'Politics Uber Alles'.

Calidebater said:
The Trump campaign is not officially racist or for any form of ideas that would overturn American historical ideas. What Trump is saying is that he uses "trigger words" to kind of stir up the opposition. Its a bully tactic that it. Trump may be a bully but not an extremist.
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Oh, you can stop trying to convince them with facts. They are so beyond facts that facts don't even matter to them (see tribalism above).
 
Calidebater said:
People need to differentiate between Normal MAGA and extremist MAGA. The average Trumper is not the same as the Proud Boys, Neo-Nazis, Neoconfederates. The Trump campaign is not officially racist or for any form of ideas that would overturn American historical ideas. What Trump is saying is that he uses "trigger words" to kind of stir up the opposition. Its a bully tactic that it. Trump may be a bully but not an extremist.
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Progressives simply will not accept this, because it is not in their interest to do so.
 
Calidebater said:
People need to differentiate between Normal MAGA and extremist MAGA. The average Trumper is not the same as the Proud Boys, Neo-Nazis, Neoconfederates. The Trump campaign is not officially racist or for any form of ideas that would overturn American historical ideas. What Trump is saying is that he uses "trigger words" to kind of stir up the opposition. Its a bully tactic that it. Trump may be a bully but not an extremist.
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JFK Jr's take on MAGA

What "MAGA" really means

The phrase has troubled liberals who think it is a call for a return to an America before civil rights, gay rights, and women's rights. But I have a more generous interpretation, one that is truer to my experience of Donald Trump as he is today. "Make America Great Again" recalls a nation brimming with vitality, with a can-do spirit, with hope and a belief in itself. It was an America that was beginning to confront its darker shadows, could acknowledge the injustice in its past and present, yet at the same time could celebrate its successes. It was a nation of broad prosperity, the world's most vibrant middle class, and a idealistic belief (though not consistently applied) in freedom, justice, and democracy. It was a nation that led the world in innovation, productivity, and technology. And it was the healthiest country in the world. I have talked to many Trump supporters. I have talked with his inner circle. I have talked to the man himself. This is the America they want to restore.
 
Hypothetical said:
Progressives simply will not accept this, because it is not in their interest to do so.
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Correct, but would include Democrats and Liberals in that grouping.
It is not 'in their political interests' to do so.
An example of party over nation, one of their core values 'Politics Uber Alles'.
Also an example of the Dems / Liberals / Progressives and their MSM propaganda accomplices in action.
 
Captain Adverse said:
No he didn't. Every charge brought against him by openly partisan Democrat D.A.'s was based on an "I promise to 'get Trump' if I am elected!" platform.

He was then tried in Courts presided over by (once again) openly partisan Democrat Judges.

As posted in this Forum at the time, I was following the cases closely. My responses are in the appropriate threads of this Forum.



No, as pointed out back then and reiterated in another thread today, the plan was to follow the Constitutional process for challenging Electors. There is absolutely NO EVIDENCE that Trump ever planned for or organized a rally in order to "assault Congress" to take over the government.



Actually, it is you so-called Liberals/Democrats/Whatever who IMO suffer from severe TDS and so blind yourselves with visceral hatred. Amazingly so, when most of the issues are all in your own heads as far as I can see.



Wrong again. Typically, you accuse others of what your side actually is and acts like. IMO you are not "Liberals," you are extreme Left and everything your sides does is LITERALLY reflective of the "Cultural Revolutions" of Mao, Lenin, Pol Pot, etc.
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Bravo!
 
trixare4kids said:
Too bad that you didn't respect @Captain Adverse's opinion as I did.
How about you actually try to dispute what he wrote?
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There's nothing to dispute, he has no proof. He just made accusations, like you guys always do when Trump gets a shred of comeuppance for his behavior. There's no evidence or proof the trial was politically motivated or that the Judge was or that the Jury was. If anything, Trump got a large number of breaks normal people wouldn't. Any normal person behaving like Trump did in a court room would be serving time on criminal contempt. But because of who Trump is, he got away with it.
 
Ikari said:
There's nothing to dispute, he has no proof. He just made accusations, like you guys always do when Trump gets a shred of comeuppance for his behavior. There's no evidence or proof the trial was politically motivated or that the Judge was or that the Jury was. If anything, Trump got a large number of breaks normal people wouldn't. Any normal person behaving like Trump did in a court room would be serving time on criminal contempt. But because of who Trump is, he got away with it.
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Oh, I get it. @Captain Adverse's accusations are without proof, and your many allegations are all true.


I think we're done here.
 
trixare4kids said:
Oh, I get it. @Captain Adverse's accusations are without proof, and your many allegations are all true.


I think we're done here.
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lol

And here we see the typical MAGA response when confronted with reality. The MAGA runs away from the argument because they have nothing.

Captain Adverse made the accusation, he can damn well supply the proof. That's how arguments work. But we've seen the MAGA denial up and down this site for years now, y'all never have anything, you only have accusations and then run away when confronted.

Have a good day.
 
Captain Adverse said:
No he didn't. Every charge brought against him by openly partisan Democrat D.A.'s was based on an "I promise to 'get Trump' if I am elected!" platform.

He was then tried in Courts presided over by (once again) openly partisan Democrat Judges.

As posted in this Forum at the time, I was following the cases closely. My responses are in the appropriate threads of this Forum.



No, as pointed out back then and reiterated in another thread today, the plan was to follow the Constitutional process for challenging Electors. There is absolutely NO EVIDENCE that Trump ever planned for or organized a rally in order to "assault Congress" to take over the government.



Actually, it is you so-called Liberals/Democrats/Whatever who IMO suffer from severe TDS and so blind yourselves with visceral hatred. Amazingly so, when most of the issues are all in your own heads as far as I can see.



Wrong again. Typically, you accuse others of what your side actually is and acts like. IMO you are not "Liberals," you are extreme Left and everything your sides does is LITERALLY reflective of the "Cultural Revolutions" of Mao, Lenin, Pol Pot, etc.
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Thanks for this post. It deserves a HEAR!HEAR! Acknowledgement
 
Ikari said:
lol

And here we see the typical MAGA response when confronted with reality. The MAGA runs away from the argument because they have nothing.

Captain Adverse made the accusation, he can damn well supply the proof. That's how arguments work. But we've seen the MAGA denial up and down this site for years now, y'all never have anything, you only have accusations and then run away when confronted.

Have a good day.
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He didn't run away. I didn't run away. He wrote a post, and all you did was offer nonsense. Dispute what he wrote instead of using MAGA this, MAGA said that, you "never have anything" mantras. You haven't refuted what he wrote. You used ad hominem fallacy and that's weak soup. For instance, Jeanne Carroll was supported by a mega Democrat donor. If it were not for him, she couldn't have sued Trump for defamation. It is also true that two NY prosecutors campaigned on going after DJT. Both are examples of lawfare, to which Captain Adverse spoke about in his post.
 
redbeer said:
Abortion is now an issue with the States, not the federal government. Petition your State Legislature. It's no longer an issue the democrats use in federal elections....have a nice day.
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I think you may be wrong.
I bet abortion is the #2 or 3 issue in this federal election cycle.
 
Linuxcooldude said:
No, because the incumbent President always has the advantage in an election.
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Like 2020?

I participated in these type chat forums in 2008 and beyond.
I saw how the tone changed when a black skin man won. I saw the terror come out when he won a 2nd term.
That I figured he was going to lose, until He pulled the country together during a large event that occurred. Hurricane Sandy, He put politics aside and he and Christie went about and worked to remedy the damage caused by the storm.

Something great leaders do.
trump failed with covid, that's why, IMO, he lost as incumbent. He has no clue on how to be a leader.
 
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