Navy Pride
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Actually, NP, I didn't say they never would make males and females live together and share facilities. I said they won't at this time. Society does not generally accept that it is okay for men and women to share facilities, which is the reason for male and female restrooms in pretty much every business, school, and other public places around the US, and pretty much around the world. We separate males and females, we do not separate gay men from straight men or gay women from straight women. So what is your explanation for this? How come there are not gay and straight bathrooms? Why not gay and straight changing rooms in gyms, schools, police stations, or firehouses? Do you think that heterosexuals or homosexuals have a right to have such public, non-military facilities separated by gender and sexuality? And what exactly gives them such a right?
And truthfully, considering that the most likely boat(s) to be coed are subs, then actually, not only would I be okay about sharing facilities with men, I would be willing to volunteer for it, if it were the only way for me to be on a sub. If the plan to put women on subs would have came out 2 or 3 years earlier, I would have stayed in the Navy. And as for my husband, although he would definitely have objections, he is willing to support me because we have trust. He knows that I wanted to serve on a submarine, and he realizes that it might have meant that I might have had to share personal space and/or a head with men. My husband is well aware that I changed in the same space with the men that I worked with, and that, due to my job, it was not inconceivable that I might have had to get naked in front of men. He is also aware that the only roommates that I ever shared an apartment with, besides my family, were men. All of my roommates were able to control themselves, as was I.
The thing is, most enlisted could truly care less whether gays are allowed to serve openly or not. They just want to do their job and get as much free time as they can, at least in the Navy. Besides, as I stated earlier, some may actually believe that it will be a detriment to good order and discipline, without knowing why, only because they have been told that so much that they actually just believe it without question. I do not trust that all branches would actually know whether or not allowing gays to serve openly would affect them or if they would just believe it will because that is what they have been told.
What is needed is for the military to set a date to repeal DADT and those UCMJ laws, and then do massive training on tolerance, discrimination, and sexual harassment, along with a huge refresher on being professional, up to the repeal. Then after it is repealed, work that training into the annual training the military already requires.
I don't know how you know what enlisted people think today...........Don't you wonder why their active duty leaders are risking their career and speaking up against it............I have given you my terms on how I feel on the issue so I will not do it again.......I believe gays serving openly is the same as straight males and females serving coed.........
I thnk the change you already saw will take place......That is a thrid party can not just say someone is gay........
In closing you "feel good liberals" will lose this one unless some of terms I mentioned earlier like Straights having a chance to resign and be paid a bonus for being lied to on their contract in that they would have to serve with gays openly, sleeping dressing and showering with them. I love the Navy but I can tell you I would have never enlisted under those conditions.....
We have beat this thing around enough so this will be my last post on this thread..........
We shall see who is right in the coming years..........