Pelosi threatens to delay Senate impeachment trial

[eman623]

Go for it.


But massacre mitch will wait for the charges

If you say so.

 

[vegas giants]

And..................He's still president and you're not. Good luck on the evil Dems getting anything they want when he's re-elected and pardons Manafort and Flynn.

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[Athanasius68]

The President is not just asserting executive privilege. The President has also been asserting Absolute Immunity. The McGahn case is a fight over whether or not the President's closest advisers are entitled to Absolute Immunity. Mulvaney, Bolton, and the other witnesses in the White House Budget Office are all relying on the same legal argument in the McGahn case. The House only needs to win the McGahn case in order to compel witnesses like Mulvaney and Bolton to testify.

Then the House should have waited. They can scarcely complain should the Senate not do what they could have done.

If the Republicans joined with the Democrats to compel Trump to produce the necessary documents and witnesses, then Trump would have less political wiggle room

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Necessary to whom? The House declined Trump to permit a defense.
The House had an opportunity to present a case. That they chose to act quickly and not present a full case to the body at large is not the Senate's fault.

The problem is Republicans have essentially become fascists/authoritarians and support Trump's assertions of near-dictatorial power,

The problem is that the Democrats never reconciled themselves to the results of the 2016 election.

 

[vegas giants]

If you say so.

Actually mitch said so

 

[W_Heisenberg]

Why would I want her to "control her caucus"? You authoritarian types need to stop projecting.

I'm just saying you are going to criticize her no matter what she does.

And, no, I'm not an authoritarian.

But why do you support the idea that Trump is immune from criminal investigation and should be given the right to forbid his senior aides from appearing before a House Committee hearing on the basis of "Absolute Immunity"? Why do you support putting the President above the law?

 

[Athanasius68]

Is it really that unreasonable to want witnesses who can provide first-hand testimony to appear before the Senate trial?

The House thought it unreasonable.

 

[PLizzy]

Y’all impeached Bill Clinton for lying about a blow job, but we are the partisan ones.

:lol: Ok Luther.

The vote to impeach Clinton was almost entirely along party lines, with only five Democrats voting for it, and five Republicans voting against it. In the Judiciary committee it was entirely a party line vote.

Don't forget that the Republicans tabled a censure resolution, too.

The fact that not a single Republican expressed disagreement with the leadership to vote for the articles, is a reflection of the one track thinking in the party.

They love being the bat, but the hate being the ball.

 

[W_Heisenberg]

the Dems could have gone to court....Administration wanted to protect its current and future rights....let judges decide

They did go to court. The Supreme Court justices will decide this. Please look up the McGahn case. Mulvaney and Bolton are refusing to testify based on the same legal argument McGahn and the DOJ are making.

Once the Supreme Court rules against McGahn then Bolton and Mulvaney will be forced to appear before the House Committee.

Hannity didn't tell you this, did he? That's what you get for listening to a college drop-out.

 

[W_Heisenberg]

Do you believe Trump administration had the rights to use the courts to protect their rights?

Of course, but this does not extend so far as to excuse Trump's assertions of near-dictatorial power.

If you were a real conservative who really believed in the Constitution and the political philosophy which inspired the founding fathers you would be appalled by Trump's legal arguments.

The truth is you hate illegal immigrants, the right of women to conduct abortions, and Democrats more than you love the Republic. That's the bottom line.

 

[Doc91478]

I am completely baffled by this strategy. In 2019 alone, Pelosi has managed two overwhelming battles that would have reduced anybody else to tears. In the winter she successfully steered the country through a government shutdown, facing down and beating the President of the United States. And culminating with today's vote, she steered the House through impeachment hearings without allowing Republicans to turn the proceedings into a circus. Under anybody else's guidance, Democrats in both instances would have been reduced to chaos in under a week.

The point is Pelosi is super smart. But this? McConnell will be pleased as punch if the House doesn't burden him with an impeachment trial. He'll say, "Oh, you mean this stressful thing that has the potential to divide the Republican party is no longer on my plate? Thanks! Now watch as I confirm a hundred lifetime judicial appointments."

And don't tell me he's getting robbed of his acquittal narrative. Mitch McConnell wouldn't give two ****s about an acquittal narrative because he can just say that Democrats aren't sending him the articles, so WTF is he supposed to do?

So help me out here. What's Pelosi's actual leverage here?



Pelosi threatens to delay Senate impeachment trial - POLITICO

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So this is supposed to be a Constitutional Congress? A completely partisan vote both for and against impeachment and now Pelosi doesn't have the Constitutional right to refuse to send the Senate the product of their Star Chamber and Kangaroo Court run by Adam Schiff. Pelosi is duty bound by the Constitution to send the 'Impeachment' issue to the Senate.

 

[W_Heisenberg]

Partly,

But it is to compel witnesses in the Senate trial. The GOP hung its hat in the House on the claim of the lack of “fact” witnesses. All the while knowing, and blessing, Trump’s efforts to hide these witnesses and the relevant documents.

McConnell played to Trump by announcing his intention to collude with the defendant and not to even attempt to be partial.

Today, he was in the well of the Senate eating those words.

The Republicans know that at least one, and probably more of the witnesses the House Managers will call will have to take the Fifth Amendment.

The Democrats know the GOP will acquit Trump.

But they want to make the GOP own that acquittal, and make the world see the guilt of the man they sold their souls to.

I agree.

 

[trixare4kids]

Clinton was impeached for lying about his relationship with Lewinsky, lying about Paula Jones, attempting to Betty Curie to lie for him, attempting to get Lewinsky to lie for him and half a dozen other things. He was impeached on direct evidence, not merely testimonial evidence. He was impeached on articulable and widely recognized crimes, not thinly defined political concepts.

Even with all that, Clinton's impeachment was controversial. Democrats have nothing on Trump that comes within a country mile of what Clinton did and they're acting like they have a mandate.

This isn't about Trump. It's about 2020 and it's about changing our political system. This is a Social Justice impeachment and it's the tip of the iceberg compared to what democrats will do to the people if they gain power in two or more branches of government.

It should concern every American if these particular SJW(s) take complete power. :shock:
God help the Republic!!!

 

[Juggernaut74]

Post the reference then.

If I remembered the reference, I would have posted it. I’m admittedly operating off memory, so take it with a grain of salt. I was just trying to offer a lead to help answer the poster’s question.

 

[Common Sense 1]

It's not just McConnell, it's all the Republicans, and Republican voters.

The Republican Party must be brought to heel by forcing them into permanent minority status at the national level.

Geez... :lamo:lamo:lamo

 

[W_Heisenberg]

Did you object when the House refused to call witnesses that the Republican's wanted to testify?

The House allowed Republicans to call all the witnesses they wanted that pertained to the case at hand.

The House did not allow the Republicans to call the whistleblower, and to call witnesses in order to further the Biden conspiracy theory.

And if you think that it's bad for the House to not allow the Trump supporters in the House to investigate the investigators there is nothing stopping the Senate from conducting hearings on the matter, and there is nothing stopping the DOJ from pursuing the matter. In both cases, we hear nothing about such investigations, and the likely reason is that there is no logical rationale to support Trump and Rudy's crazy, idiotic theories.

And I don't understand why you would think it would be okay. This would be okay some mafia figure who is being put on trial, being allowed to investigate the FBI agents who wiretapped him or something on the basis of some crazy conspiracy theory the mafia figure invented to deflect away from his own alleged crimes.

If you want to investigate Biden, the Republicans have all the tools available to do it via a separate inquiry. There is nothing stopping the Senate. There is nothing stopping the DOJ....except maybe actual facts, and objective reality itself.

 

[Paradoxical]

This delay does not harm the Democrats.

We'll see when Trump and the RNC starts running ads with the millions they have showing Democrats dressed in chicken costumes frettin and cackling about not having an impeachment case and are embarrassed to go forward

 

[Vadinho]

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So this is supposed to be a Constitutional Congress? A completely partisan vote both for and against impeachment and now Pelosi doesn't have the Constitutional right to refuse to send the Senate the product of their Star Chamber and Kangaroo Court run by Adam Schiff. Pelosi is duty bound by the Constitution to send the 'Impeachment' issue to the Senate.

She is not. As we saw with Garland, the leader of the Senate or the Speaker has the power. The constitution makes no demands other then the sequencing, timing is up to the Speaker.

 

[W_Heisenberg]

That's false. It was a lopsided process ramrodded by Democrats, period. Republicans had virtually no input, weren't allowed witnesses, and were repeatedly shut down by the chair.

weren't allowed witnesses

That's not true. They were allowed Volker, Hale, and Morrison:

READ: House Republican witness list for impeachment hearings | Fox News

Why do you Trump supporters lie so much? I don't understand. Your arguments in support of Trump would be so much better if you didn't....oh wait...no they wouldn't.. HAHAHA you HAVE TO LIE for this crook.

And to the degree that the process was rushed this is a direct consequence of the WH's refusal to comply with Congressional subpoenas related to the inquiry. And the main reason why Republicans had no input is that they did not do their duty to investigate Trump during the first two years of Trump's Presidency, and they lost at the ballot box. If the Senate Republicans continue their partisan obstruction of thorough investigations of Trump, the Republicans will eventually lose the Senate as well.

 

[Cardinal]

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So this is supposed to be a Constitutional Congress? A completely partisan vote both for and against impeachment and now Pelosi doesn't have the Constitutional right to refuse to send the Senate the product of their Star Chamber and Kangaroo Court run by Adam Schiff. Pelosi is duty bound by the Constitution to send the 'Impeachment' issue to the Senate.

No she isn't.

If you want to argue that her strategy is bone-headed then that's perfectly fine, but don't make crap up.

 

[Phys251]

It is what it is, whether you intend for it or not. You ought to watch the movie. He's exactly everything Trump isn't--subtle, slow, low key.

YOU are accusing Chomsky, who is one of the most rational members on this entire forum, of gaslighting?!

 

[jamesbyoung]

Speaker Pelosi holds the whip hand on McConnell.

 

[W_Heisenberg]

Then the House should have waited. They can scarcely complain should the Senate not do what they could have done.

The Republicans should have done their duty. This is not the fault of the Democrats.

The Republicans in both the House and the Senate could help force Trump to comply with the Congressional subpoenas. Trump would have less wiggle room if Congress acted in unison against Trump's unconstitutional and near-dictatorial assertions of power.

Necessary to whom? The House declined Trump to permit a defense.

The House impeachment inquiry is an INVESTIGATION.

The Senate trial is a TRIAL.

Further, the House allowed Trump to cross-examine witnesses, but the WH refused to participate.

The House had an opportunity to present a case. That they chose to act quickly and not present a full case to the body at large is not the Senate's fault.

The House can only do so much if Trump and the Republicans in Congress REFUSE to participate in a thorough investigation.

It is partially the Senate's fault if the Senate does not compel witnesses with first-hand testimony to come before and be questioned the trial.

The problem is that the Democrats never reconciled themselves to the results of the 2016 election.

No.

Trump is responsible for his OWN behavior.

Trump still hasn't learned that he has to follow the rules.

That is why the impeachment is necessary.

Trump is not going to change his behavior.

Trump is and will always be a crook. That is who he is.

 

[W_Heisenberg]

The House thought it unreasonable.

No, the House was forbidden from gaining access to witnesses with direct, eyewitness accounts of what transpired.

If the witnesses would have exonerated Trump they would have already testified.

It's not that complicated.

 

[Paradoxical]

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Trump is being fitted for his prison jumpsuit.



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Should I start an OUT OF THE BUBBLE thread for the left wingers here. It would be a way to get around the arent monitors that some posters have on their computers

 

[vegas giants]

Should I start an OUT OF THE BUBBLE thread for the left wingers here. It would be a way to get around the arent monitors that some posters have on their computers

You do that