Pelosi caught getting hair done at coronavirus-shuttered SF salon

[NWRatCon]

In terms of any misbehavior or hypocrisy on Pelosi's part, or any legal or health issues...what distinction would you make there?

Also, now we know that the contractor set her up, but I'd still be interested in your answer to my question.

You'll never get an honest answer from someone who lies so prodigiously. I commend you for trying.

Pelosi Stylist's Lawyer: Shop Owner 'Furthering a Setup' (NEWSMAX).

An attorney for House Speaker Nancy Pelosi's hair stylist says Erica Kious, the owner of the San Francisco salon the congresswoman visited earlier this week, is "furthering a setup" to embarrass her for ignoring local rules about mask wearing and business closures.

"The fact that Ms. Kious is now objecting to Speaker Pelosi's presence at eSalon, and from a simple surface-level review of Ms. Kious' political leanings, it appears Ms. Kious is furthering a setup of Speaker Pelosi for her own vain aspirations," Matthew Soleimanpour, the attorney for hair stylist Jonathan DeNardo, said in a statement, reports Fox News. "Mr. DeNardo's name has now been dragged through the mud for simply following Ms. Kious' recommendations."

DeNardo has been at eSalon for six years and has communicated regularly with Kious, including over the weekend, when the salon owner on Sunday told him during a phone call that he had her approval to do Pelosi's hair on Monday.

 

[tres borrachos]

I've already answered the question. If you are asking me to read the man's mind, don't bother. I don't need to read his mind to tell you that his religious convictions tell him not to, and that is all you and I know. I argue that he should be allowed to live by his convictions, you think he shouldn't. That is the core of the argument and it requires no mind reading.

Your idiotic position is that if you can't think of a reason why he shouldn't want to bake that cake then neither can he. At this point I don't expect you can understand how grossly authoritarian your argument really is.

You might as well be arguing that you don't understand a person's Hindu faith so therefore their practice shouldn't be protected by the first Amendment...that is your argument against that baker, in a nutshell.

No, you have not. You talked about cakes. This isn't about cakes. It's about your claim about yourself. Talk about cakes in the appropriate forum. This isn't it.

Obama must have been the most powerful man in history if he made it so that you can no longer be Catholic or Baptist or whatever your faith was. That's on you. He didn't prevent anyone else in the world from practicing their faith or worshipping their God.

Maybe Trump can deliver you to the promised land where you can study the Bible with him. You can discuss Two Corinthians at length. And the Ten Commandments. Focus on all the ones he broke. Good luck.

 

[Lursa]

You'll never get an honest answer from someone who lies so prodigiously. I commend you for trying.

Pelosi Stylist's Lawyer: Shop Owner 'Furthering a Setup' (NEWSMAX).

Cheers, thanks!

This is the barely coherent and grammatically inept speech of a man who desperately wants to be able to claim that he "cured coronavirus."

That's it, in a nutshell. When we do get a handle on this crisis, he wants to be able to pull out footage and declare "I called it! I said use this! I said try this! I told them to do this, it was my idea!" He's just doing it with lots of stupid stuff because he doesnt want to miss an opportunity. He's afraid 'the big one' will be mentioned and he wont get credit for it.

It's all about declaring himself the savior of the cv crisis and we'll hear all about it, esp in his campaign. (Which is basically each of his press briefings these days) --- Lursa

 

[digitusmedius]

Trump has nothing on King David when it comes to comparing moral failings, and David is only one example out of many.

I'm used to rightwing or "middle-roaders" whataboutism but this is the first time I've seen any use the "but whatabout King David" to justify Trump's immorality.

It's that knowledge of the Bible that many don't seem to understand about Evangelical support for Trump. Evangelicals don't see him as a perfect person, but they see Trump's position on freedom of religion to be Trump's role to play in moving faith forward.

The interesting thing about that is that this country is not meant to be governed by a religion of any stripe so their support is anti-constitutional by definition. That doesn't make them seem more palatable but rather less.

Moreover, if you spend any time in and around Evangelical Churches you see how silly the "Trump is a sinner!" gambit the Democrats play really is. Many evangelical gatherings end up feeling more like a snack break at an AA meeting. So many Evangelicals love to share their stories of their lives before their spiritual awakening, and so most tend to forgive a person's past automatically and care more about their future.

I make it a point to avoid hypocrites, especially the most sanctimonious variety. Nothing you written has made evangelicals look better. Quite the opposite. The use of their beliefs to cover crass political activities and self-interested goals is as bad or worse than any other political interest group.

 

[haymarket]

I thought it was in Second Sutra, 20:16-20.

At my age - its the pie.

 

[Lursa]

I'm used to rightwing or "middle-roaders" whataboutism but this is the first time I've seen any use the "but whatabout King David" to justify Trump's immorality.


The interesting thing about that is that this country is not meant to be governed by a religion of any stripe so their support is anti-constitutional by definition. That doesn't make them seem more palatable but rather less.



I make it a point to avoid hypocrites, especially the most sanctimonious variety. Nothing you written has made evangelicals look better. Quite the opposite. The use of their beliefs to cover crass political activities and self-interested goals is as bad or worse than any other political interest group.

It is literally going against God's Will to use man's law...or church's...to force people to follow God's Law. According to God's Word, He gave us all free will to decide to follow Him or not. He chose not to impose His Law/Word on all...it's up to us.

So it's the height of arrogance and a great sin to attempt to usurp God's Authority and use force of man's law to demand we follow His Word.

This is the barely coherent and grammatically inept speech of a man who desperately wants to be able to claim that he "cured coronavirus."

That's it, in a nutshell. When we do get a handle on this crisis, he wants to be able to pull out footage and declare "I called it! I said use this! I said try this! I told them to do this, it was my idea!" He's just doing it with lots of stupid stuff because he doesnt want to miss an opportunity. He's afraid 'the big one' will be mentioned and he wont get credit for it.

It's all about declaring himself the savior of the cv crisis and we'll hear all about it, esp in his campaign. (Which is basically each of his press briefings these days) --- Lursa

 

[digitusmedius]

It is literally going against God's Will to use man's law...or church's...to force people to follow God's Law. According to God's Word, He gave us all free will to decide to follow Him or not. He chose not to impose His Law/Word on all...it's up to us.

So it's the height of arrogance and a great sin to attempt to usurp God's Authority and use force of man's law to demand we follow His Word.

OK, but I like this source's admonition better as it is actually enacted secular law:

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

And by free-exercise, Madison did not mean taking over the government.

 

[Lursa]

OK, but I like this source's admonition better:


And by free-exercise, Madison did not mean taking over the government.

Of course! But it seems a whole bunch of 'em need a stronger reminder...like from their Pilot Himself.

Maybe they'll listen to Him, if not the Founding Fathers.

This is the barely coherent and grammatically inept speech of a man who desperately wants to be able to claim that he "cured coronavirus."

That's it, in a nutshell. When we do get a handle on this crisis, he wants to be able to pull out footage and declare "I called it! I said use this! I said try this! I told them to do this, it was my idea!" He's just doing it with lots of stupid stuff because he doesnt want to miss an opportunity. He's afraid 'the big one' will be mentioned and he wont get credit for it.

It's all about declaring himself the savior of the cv crisis and we'll hear all about it, esp in his campaign. (Which is basically each of his press briefings these days) --- Lursa

 

[NWRatCon]

Pelosi’s SF salon owner soaks up more than $63K from Republican sympathizers (Mercury News). Coincidence? I think not.

The embattled owner of the San Francisco salon where House Speaker Nancy Pelosi caused an uproar by getting her hair cut this week in violation of local coronavirus rules, says she is “done” with the business.

“The hard part of all this is I’ve been in that community for 12 years and since this happened, I’ve received nothing but hate — text messages, death threats, they’re going to burn my hair salon down. My Yelp page is just unbelievable with bad reviews,” eSalon owner Erica Kious told Fox News’ Tucker Carlson. “It’s sad that my community is pulling this when they’re saying I threw her under the bus when I didn’t…I think I’m pretty much done there.”

The controversy erupted after Fox posted security footage of the San Francisco Democrat inside the salon Monday without a mask on. At the time, Kious told Fox that a stylist who rents space from her had arranged the visit.

( What she conveniently leaves out is that she gave permission. )

 

[NWRatCon]

At my age - its the pie.

That got ME to laugh out loud.

 

[iguanaman]

lol... Why do Democrats make rules and laws that only applies to everyone else?
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Pelosi caught getting hair done at coronavirus-shuttered San Francisco salon

House Speaker Nancy Pelosi visited a coronavirus-shuttered San Francisco hair salon on Monday afternoon for a wash and blow-out, despite local ordinances keeping salons closed amid the pandemic, Fox News had learned.
Pelosi caught getting hair done at coronavirus-shuttered SF salon | Fox News

It is hilarious that when Ted Cruz did the same thing...got his hair cut at a Texas salon whose owner had been jailed for refusing to close -- Trump expressed his support for the salon. Now it's different?

 

[Rawley]

Once again, the hypocrites hype a thread over hypocrisy. There is an argument that this was a set up. Given the process, and the speed with which FOX exploited it, that seems plausible. The local rule only changed on Friday. The stylist consulted the owner, who never advised that it was not authorized, and the only photo FOX released/publicized was a still during the transition from shampooing to chair. Odd, no? So, let's all look at this molehill ands ignore the mountain chain in front of us, shall we?

I don't believe the salon owners consider being put of business by Democrats making political statements to be a molehill.

 

[jmotivator]

No, you have not. You talked about cakes. This isn't about cakes. It's about your claim about yourself. Talk about cakes in the appropriate forum. This isn't it.

Obama must have been the most powerful man in history if he made it so that you can no longer be Catholic or Baptist or whatever your faith was. That's on you. He didn't prevent anyone else in the world from practicing their faith or worshipping their God.

Maybe Trump can deliver you to the promised land where you can study the Bible with him. You can discuss Two Corinthians at length. And the Ten Commandments. Focus on all the ones he broke. Good luck.

I talked about religious freedoms and the freedom to act upon your religious convictions, and the baker was an example. What you showed in your response was that your interpretation of the story about the Baker depends entirely on what YOU think he should believe and how YOU think he should act on his convictions. your whole argument depends on dictating other people what they should believe and how they should act within their faith.

 

[AlphaOmega]

Are you jealous because your barber wouldn't let you into his shop when it was closed? You should tip him once in a while. My hairdresser met me in his shop in April when it was supposed to be closed. Want to report him to the FBI? He's a Trump supporter. I tip him well.

So you didnt actually believe the covid virus was as bad as you pretended. Thanks for demonstrating your hypocrisy for us.

 

[jmotivator]

I'm used to rightwing or "middle-roaders" whataboutism but this is the first time I've seen any use the "but whatabout King David" to justify Trump's immorality.

It's not a whataboutism. :roll:

The argument is whether you can be an follower of the Judeo-Christian God and a sinner, and I am using examples FROM THE BIBLE to show you that yes, it's not just possible, it's the standard.

The interesting thing about that is that this country is not meant to be governed by a religion of any stripe so their support is anti-constitutional by definition. That doesn't make them seem more palatable but rather less.

Evangelicals aren't a political party. :roll:

I make it a point to avoid hypocrites, especially the most sanctimonious variety. Nothing you written has made evangelicals look better. Quite the opposite. The use of their beliefs to cover crass political activities and self-interested goals is as bad or worse than any other political interest group.

I couldn't care less about your opinion of me or of evangelicals. You threw in with a patently stupid argument that is used way to often by ignorant people on the nature of sin and faith and I am pointing out to you the concept as it is seen and taught by the same people you want to pretend you understand. You don't understand it and you should just accept you don't and that there is a rational reason why evangelicals vote they do.

 

[iguanaman]

I talked about religious freedoms and the freedom to act upon your religious convictions, and the baker was an example. What you showed in your response was that your interpretation of the story about the Baker depends entirely on what YOU think he should believe and how YOU think he should act on his convictions. your whole argument depends on dictating other people what they should believe and how they should act within their faith.

No one has to bake for anyone it's a free country. But if you put up a bakery sign that means you need to bake or close up shop.

 

[Logophile]

It is hilarious that when Ted Cruz did the same thing...got his hair cut at a Texas salon whose owner had been jailed for refusing to close -- Trump expressed his support for the salon. Now it's different?

I don't think it matters. Cruz was wrong to do it and so was Pelosi. Does it surprise you that most of them think they are exempt from the laws "those lowly people" have to follow?? I always laugh when I hear about the underground bunker, where all our elite Washington lawmakers can hunker down in case Washington's bombed. The perfect irony of course, is if the country is bombed, it's probably their fault.

The public has let them get away with way too much, and we need a third party to humble them a bit. I admit a particular distaste for Pelosi. If I were to put a face on the definition of "Nanny State," it would be hers. I thought of Schumer's, but his is already taken. His is on the "Minister of Misinformation" page. He's been in the Senate since 1998. I mean, term limits, PLEASE. Won't see those either without a third party. Thanks!!

 

[iguanaman]

I don't think it matters. Cruz was wrong to do it and so was Pelosi. Does it surprise you that most of them think they are exempt from the laws "those lowly people" have to follow?? I always laugh when I hear about the underground bunker, where all our elite Washington lawmakers can hunker down in case Washington's bombed. The perfect irony of course, is if the country is bombed, it's probably their fault.

The public has let them get away with way too much, and we need a third party to humble them a bit. I admit a particular distaste for Pelosi. If I were to put a face on the definition of "Nanny State," it would be hers. I thought of Schumer's, but his is already taken. His is on the "Minister of Misinformation" page. He's been in the Senate since 1998. I mean, term limits, PLEASE. Won't see those either without a third party. Thanks!!

Yes it matters. It is hypocritical to praise one person and denigrate another for doing the same thing. That is what the right is doing. Nancy claims the salon owner told her they were open legally too. That means the "blame" is all on the salon. I for one do not see what the big deal is at all. Half the people I see at the grocery store don't have masks even thought there is a sign that says they are required. But Nancy is now a huge demon for what?

 

[VySky]

It is hilarious that when Ted Cruz did the same thing...got his hair cut at a Texas salon whose owner had been jailed for refusing to close -- Trump expressed his support for the salon. Now it's different?

Was Nancy having her hair done in protest? No. Cruz haircut was within the local restrictions

 

[jmotivator]

No one has to bake for anyone it's a free country. But if you put up a bakery sign that means you need to bake or close up shop.

Well, sure, from the store front. But when you contract out for custom cakes, nobody should be required to enter into a private contract they don't want to enter into. If your way of looking at it were the standard then a White Nationalist could bring down a Black-owned bakery by demanding a White Power cake.

 

[Logophile]

Yes it matters. It is hypocritical to praise one person and denigrate another for doing the same thing. That is what the right is doing. Nancy claims the salon owner told her they were open legally too. That means the "blame" is all on the salon. I for one do not see what the big deal is at all. Half the people I see at the grocery store don't have masks even thought there is a sign that says they are required. But Nancy is now a huge demon for what?

Oh I don't think she's any worse than most of them, although she's preachier. She's in the limelight more than the rest up there so her uh, "sincerity" or lack thereof is more transparent. But no, most any of em - particularly the career politicians, Republican or Democrat - will flaunt the law if it's expedient, and they think nobody's looking. It's the Animal Farm syndrome. Look at how many have had affairs, have questionable fund raising. I mean look at Petraeus. Director of National Intelligence - the CIA - for Pete's sake!! Once these people reach a certain echelon, they seem to to lose any sense of reality, and think they're playing a part in the War of the Roses. They think it's just them and their nobles. of A third party and term limits will go a long way to fixing a lot of these problems. Thanks!!

 

[PeteEU]

We care quite a bit, we just place the blame where it should be placed, on the governors of several states who made critically horrible decisions in March and April that doomed their states to high rates of COVID-19 and COVID-19 deaths. THeir policy was so attrocious that the NY Governor continues to resist an actual accounting and review of his state's performance.

So let me get this straight.. you blame the governors for the deaths to a disease that knows no borders, and yet you dont blame Trump for not doing jack **** in March and April, and in fact downplaying the disease?

And remember how the Democrats and their followers were so quick to blame Texas and Florida Governors for their COVID-19 outbreaks? Well, we agree, but are glad that those governors were smart enough to work to limit COVID exposure to the aged and infirm who are hardest hit by the disease.

So you DO blame the Trump governors in Texas and Florida for the outbreaks there? But you also praise them for supposedly protecting the aged and infirmed (no evidence of that btw), but you ignore that their outbreak came over a month after New York and Europe, which means they benefit from the experience of New York, Italy and Spain in how to treat the disease... And of course again, they had over a month to PREVENT the outbreak and yet went ahead in reopening and doing idiotic things that put peoples lives at risk. But no mention of that.. sure they supposedly protected the old people, but nothing about opening up beaches or other places...Also, maybe just maybe, because of what people saw in New York and Europe the older population was a tad more careful which of course lowers the infection rate, because you know.. they are careful!

That allowed those states to experience a high rate of COVID-19 cases, but a very low rate of COVID-19 mortality.

Yea and it had nothing to do with the experience in tackling the disease that New York, Spain and Italy gained at a high price.. naw it was all the Trump governors so called quick action to protect the old people... hilarious!

It's the same logic that has us place blame on Governors in NY, NJ, MI etc. who did not protect their most vulnerable populations (they did the exact opposite, in fact) and as such are responsible for the majority of the deaths in the US to COVID-19.

While there is some validity in this, you again ignore the fact that they were at the forefront of the epidermic and had to invent **** on the go to tackle this bug. And by the time they bug was around, it was often too late to protect elder homes. Hell we still have outbreaks here in Spain in old peoples homes, even though they have been under strict semi lock downs for half a year.

See, we are rational people who can evaluate statics more deeply that "Number big, Orange Man Bad". Your logic would be like seeing the high death toll in Italy and blaming the EU for it... :roll:

Funny you should say that... there are in fact people in Europe who do that. They are a small small minority and funny enough rabid Trump supporters.

But again you walked into this one...

The EU opened up its ventilator stocks, coordinated help and all that with Italy and Spain when asked. Trumps Federal government did the opposite and bungled the response. They used aid to states as a political hammer, sending massive amounts of aid to places with no infections (at the time) and denying aid to places like Michigan, because Trump does not like women leaders.

 

[jmotivator]

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So let me get this straight...

Yes, Pete, because management of state crisis fall on the governors, and the states hardest hit by the crisis have a laundry list of awful policies that exacerbated, rather than slowed, the spread of the disease.

So you DO blame the Trump governors in Texas and Florida for the outbreaks there?...

Why would this be hard for you to comprehend? The Florida and Texas response was far better than the NY, NJ and MI response. Every state implemented their own plan, just like every member of the EU had their own plan, and their success or failure varied based on the soundness of the plan. Should Denmark be judged on the Italian response?
Florida and Texas went for an early, short lock down and a controlled reopen that flattened the curve. The idiots in NY went for the "Everything is great!" -- for TWO MONTHS after Trump had already started the closing of US borders -- and then locked everyone down with their sick relatives and sent the elderly with COVID back to nursing homes to infect other elderly people.

Yea and it had nothing to do with the experience in tackling the disease that New York, Spain and Italy gained at a high price.. naw...

You're right, it didn't. But it's funny how you so quickly blame Trump for something that you excuse NY and other Countries for doing from lack of experience. :roll:

The Federal Government only has so much power over states in a crisis, the power to deal with crisis is at the state level and run by the Governor. As NY started moving 2 months too late, the Federal government provide everything that the states needed. NY has it's own state-run public hospital system that, in theory, is supposed to deal with things like this, but state management was too late to ramp up their response, and lacking in key resources that the Governor had failed to procure over the years for budgetary reasons. That is where the atrocious decision happened that cleared state hospital beds of elderly patients and sent them back to nursing homes.

While there is some validity in this ... downs for half a year.

... so your argument is that states and countries had to "invent **** on the go"... but Trump didn't? Trump had all the information that Italy and Spain didn't? We had known since late January as data trickled out of China that the population almost uniquely targeted by COVID-19 were the elderly. Everyone knew in February about the effect of COVID-19 on the elderly, the CDC and data coming from China made that all too clear... how did Cuomo not know that in March and April when the disease was ravaging his state?

Funny you should say that... there are in fact people in Europe who do that. They are a small small minority and funny enough rabid Trump supporters.

Cool story, Bro.

But again... leaders.

The Federal Government doesn't maintain emergency ventilator stocks, the states do. And, it appears as I read up on your claim, apparently the EU didn't either. Based on that report, the EU reserve of face masks wasn't expected to ramp up until late April or May. This EU "reserve" (that wasn't) managed to start sending people and supplies to the epicenter in Italy by April, when the disease was already in decline there. So no, there is no EU reserve. There are member states who maintained supplies, or didn't, and the EU coordinated redistributing supplies from member states and purchasing what they as a group lacked... much like the US federal response and in much the same time frame.

Here is an article from Reuters that shows the EU began the procurement process for that "ventilator stock" on March 17th... should I also look for stories on when that procurement process began to place ventilators in hospitals? :roll:

You walked into that one. Did you not know that the EU didn't manage a strategic reserve of medical supplies until late March, or did you withhold that bit of crucial timing info hoping I wouldn't look it up? :roll:

And again, the State of New York has it's own state funded and state run hospital system that is supposed to be stocked for these emergencies, and it was Cuomo's decision to save money by not buying ventilators. The US government responded because of the local government's failures.

 

[Mason66]

In terms of any misbehavior or hypocrisy on Pelosi's part, or any legal or health issues...what distinction would you make there?

Also, now we know that the contractor set her up, but I'd still be interested in your answer to my question.

What do you mean by "set her up"?

 

[digitusmedius]

It's not a whataboutism. :roll:

The argument is whether you can be an follower of the Judeo-Christian God and a sinner, and I am using examples FROM THE BIBLE to show you that yes, it's not just possible, it's the standard.

Sorry, but using examples from a fairy tale doesn't pass the laugh test.

Evangelicals aren't a political party. :roll:

Didn't say or even imply that. But they are overwhelmingly extreme rightwing politically which reflects their authoritarian views.

I couldn't care less about your opinion of me or of evangelicals. You threw in with a patently stupid argument that is used way to often by ignorant people on the nature of sin and faith and I am pointing out to you the concept as it is seen and taught by the same people you want to pretend you understand. You don't understand it and you should just accept you don't and that there is a rational reason why evangelicals vote they do.

I understand your frustration at not being able to impress me with justifications for the behavior and politics of sanctimonious people who practice a form of extreme judgmentalism. I'm fully aware and have described the reasons that these people vote for dirty politicians time and time again in order to gain political power. I am gratified to know, however, that their ranks are dwindling rapidly. They've made themselves repugnant to even their own young.