Pelosi announces House won't vote now on whether to begin impeachment inquiry (1 Viewer)

[gdgyva]

Re: No Vote Pelosi- Not at this Time

Republicans didn't hold a vote until Ken Starr's investigation had been completed, published and distributed.

I don't see the diff here.

Ken Starr report was basically the same as the Mueller report

that was done, and completed

now we are on to "something else"

and the plan is to keep the"investigations" going until you guys run out of witnesses willing to testify

and keep hammering Trump in the news cycles....

But you may want to watch out how that plays with the entire american polulace...not just the liberal/progressive base

Either Trump has done enough to warrant getting kicked out of office....or he hasnt

And after almost three years of trying to get the election reversed, this stuff is weighing thin

you dont have to convince the democrats....you have to convince the indies and repubs

much much higher bar to jump over

 

[ttwtt78640]

Re: No Vote Pelosi- Not at this Time

What would the vote do that Congress is now doing without a formal vote?

Document the fact that this is a partisan project in the House.

 

[Fletch]

Re: No Vote Pelosi- Not at this Time

Good. This is -PRECISELY- how the republicans would be doing it, make no mistake.

**** them.

In other words, you admit that its the wrong way to do things. Good, we agree.

 

[ttwtt78640]

Re: No Vote Pelosi- Not at this Time

Republicans didn't hold a vote until Ken Starr's investigation had been completed, published and distributed.

I don't see the diff here.

Really? Wasn't the Mueller report released months ago?

 

[Serenity]

Re: No Vote Pelosi- Not at this Time

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[Perotista]

Re: No Vote Pelosi- Not at this Time

Well of course. Her house of cards is crumbling. You don't have the votes do you Nancy?

I'm blowing the whistle on this noise.

Schiff sees no need to interview the WP. lol...

-VySKy
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Pelosi says House won't hold impeachment vote 'at this time'


Signaling that Democrats won’t cave to GOP demands, House Speaker Nancy Pelosi said Tuesday that the House will not hold a formal floor vote on their impeachment inquiry into President Donald trump "at this time."

"There is no requirement that we have a vote. So at this time, we will not be having a vote," Pelosi told reporters on Capitol Hill after a brief closed-door Democratic caucus meeting. "And I’m very pleased with the thoughtfulness of our caucus in terms of being supportive of the path that we are on in terms of fairness, in terms of seeking the truth, in terms of upholding the Constitution of the United States."

Pelosi says House won'''t hold impeachment vote '''at this time'''

This has all the signs of a political tactic which may or may not work come November of 2020. For almost 3 years now some Democrats in the house has been telling us they have the evidence to warrant impeachment. With the Republicans in control of the House the first two years, one wasn't sure if the democrats had that evidence or not as we all know, the GOP leadership wouldn't allow it to come to a vote.

Now the Democrats are in control. They can vote on impeachment anytime their little hearts so desire. If as some democrats have stated, they have the evidence, that it is a slam dunk, then why don't they? Probably political tactics to play impeachment or to milk impeachment talk for all that it is worth for political advantage come November 2020. This makes me wonder if the House doesn't have the evidence they been saying all along they had.

I'd be careful here, this could turn out to be a case of the house crying wolf once too often. Perhaps people will just start ignoring all of this. Who knows?

 

[Mycroft]

Re: No Vote Pelosi- Not at this Time

Well of course. Her house of cards is crumbling. You don't have the votes do you Nancy?

I'm blowing the whistle on this noise.

Schiff sees no need to interview the WP. lol...

-VySKy
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Pelosi says House won't hold impeachment vote 'at this time'


Signaling that Democrats won’t cave to GOP demands, House Speaker Nancy Pelosi said Tuesday that the House will not hold a formal floor vote on their impeachment inquiry into President Donald trump "at this time."

"There is no requirement that we have a vote. So at this time, we will not be having a vote," Pelosi told reporters on Capitol Hill after a brief closed-door Democratic caucus meeting. "And I’m very pleased with the thoughtfulness of our caucus in terms of being supportive of the path that we are on in terms of fairness, in terms of seeking the truth, in terms of upholding the Constitution of the United States."

Pelosi says House won'''t hold impeachment vote '''at this time'''

Nancy seems to be okay with the by-product of her decision: Without the vote, the House Judicial Committee has nothing to investigate...which is the reason those other three committees are conducting hearings, not Judicial. And without the vote, there is no subpoena enforcement power available to those other three committees. That's the reason people like Giuliani can tell Schiffty to go pound sand...and all Schiffty can do is go look for a bucket and a beach.

 

[Obscurity]

Re: No Vote Pelosi- Not at this Time

In other words, you admit that its the wrong way to do things. Good, we agree.

No. I admit the house has authority to run this how they want, and the republicans would say precisely this:

"We are running this investigation in accordance with the constitution and the law. No vote is required for this inquiry until the house deems it appropriate to have a vote."

You just don't like how they're doing it because it is giving the middle finger to the sanctimonious pricks in the republican party who would be doing precisely what Pelosi is doing.

Again, **** em.

 

[ttwtt78640]

The impeachment process begins when a House Resolution is introduced that includes one or more Articles of Impeachment. No vote is required ... at that time. The bill goes to the House Committee on the Judiciary and an investigation into the article(s) begins. When the House Committee on the Judiciary completes its investigation a majority vote from the committee will release the Article(s) of Impeachment for the floor to vote upon. At that point a vote of the entire House is required.

OK, which house impeachment resolution (containing the articles of impeachment) is currently being investigated?

 

[Fletch]

Re: No Vote Pelosi- Not at this Time

No. I admit the house has authority to run this how they want, and the republicans would say precisely this:

"We are running this investigation in accordance with the constitution and the law. No vote is required for this inquiry until the house deems it appropriate to have a vote."

You just don't like how they're doing it because it is giving the middle finger to the sanctimonious pricks in the republican party who would be doing precisely what Pelosi is doing.

Again, **** em.

You are angrier than normal this morning. Thats not a good start to the day. The truth is, you have no idea how republicans would handle it so you are just trying to justify what you know to be bad behavior on the part of the dems. You cant remove a president on a partisan vote. So if you want to hold partisan, closed door hearing, you will never get to your desired goal. So, keep it up.

 

[ttwtt78640]

The House doesn’t need or require a formal vote to form an impeachment inquiry. Trump is cynically using this as an excuse not to cooperate, to stonewall, and deny the House witnesses — just like every innocent person would do. The target of an investigation doesn’t get to dictate terms.

The rules have changed since Nixon and Clinton.

That (bolded above) is precisely what Trump et al are saying as well.

 

[Obscurity]

Re: No Vote Pelosi- Not at this Time

You are angrier than normal this morning. Thats not a good start to the day. The truth is, you have no idea how republicans would handle it so you are just trying to justify what you know to be bad behavior on the part of the dems. You cant remove a president on a partisan vote. So if you want to hold partisan, closed door hearing, you will never get to your desired goal. So, keep it up.

I absolutely have every indication how they would handle it. Like they handle everything else. They break rules, they invent rules, they act like total clowns about everything, they're angle shooters supreme.

So yes, I have every inclination to believe they would do the exact same thing.

 

[OpportunityCost]

The House doesn’t need or require a formal vote to form an impeachment inquiry. Trump is cynically using this as an excuse not to cooperate, to stonewall, and deny the House witnesses — just like every innocent person would do. The target of an investigation doesn’t get to dictate terms.

The rules have changed since Nixon and Clinton.

False, if they want the witnesses to testify to an impeachment inquiry it needs to be a voted motion in the House and it needs to be attended by the judiciary committee, who are not allowed in the deposition meetings and are being removed from them.

It cannot be stonewalling when it isn't a proceeding following the previous format on House rules regarding impeachment. Its a political clown show.

 

[haymarket]

Re: No Vote Pelosi- Not at this Time

Document the fact that this is a partisan project in the House.

Any member of any party is free to vote for it.

 

[ttwtt78640]

Re: No Vote Pelosi- Not at this Time

Any member of any party is free to vote for it.

Exactly, but Pelosi knows what the outcome would be.

 

[haymarket]

Re: No Vote Pelosi- Not at this Time

Exactly, but Pelosi knows what the outcome would be.

And that would be a negative mark on the Republican Party.

 

[Fletch]

Re: No Vote Pelosi- Not at this Time

I absolutely have every indication how they would handle it. Like they handle everything else. They break rules, they invent rules, they act like total clowns about everything, they're angle shooters supreme.

So yes, I have every inclination to believe they would do the exact same thing.

Again, you are endorsing the bad behavior of democrats by claiming the republicans would engage in the same bad behavior if they were in charge. LIke it or not, you are, by your own admission, endorsing bad behavior. Maybe you should try to show that you are better than the thing you hate--republicans--by not acting as they do, or as you believe they would behave.

 

[Fletch]

Re: No Vote Pelosi- Not at this Time

And that would be a negative mark on the Republican Party.

Then she should hold the vote and put that negative mark on them

 

[MTAtech]

False, if they want the witnesses to testify to an impeachment inquiry it needs to be a voted motion in the House and it needs to be attended by the judiciary committee, who are not allowed in the deposition meetings and are being removed from them.

It cannot be stonewalling when it isn't a proceeding following the previous format on House rules regarding impeachment. Its a political clown show.

You just pulled that from thin air. It’s not a rule, a law or directed by the constitution. The House, according to the constitution, makes its own rules.

 

[Pound4abrown]

The impeachment process begins when a House Resolution is introduced that includes one or more Articles of Impeachment. No vote is required ... at that time. The bill goes to the House Committee on the Judiciary and an investigation into the article(s) begins. When the House Committee on the Judiciary completes its investigation a majority vote from the committee will release the Article(s) of Impeachment for the floor to vote upon. At that point a vote of the entire House is required.

Sanity. Thank you.

 

[Pound4abrown]

At this point I cant help but wonder if this whole ridiculous leftist bull**** charade was nothing but a ploy by the dems to get rid of Biden as the front runner.

Totally 5D chess.
Except Biden was probably never going to be the nominee anyway.
Which makes all this corruption by the Trump administration that much funnier, in a sad-day-for-democracy kind of way.

 

[Lovebug]

Poor Twump and Republicans...such snowflakes? Such victims!!! Will they ever get a break in their corruption and crime spree from people trying to stop them?!?
Now you want Trump's bad deeds not to have political consequences? Boo hoo!

Nancy won't hold a vote and she doesn't have too....boo hoo!

You guys need a safe space to cry this out. It's an investigation. When it goes to the Senate, they will have a trial, and you can point the finger at nonsense then, because that's the only defense Trump has, a bunch of crying nosnense. I wish that were hyperbole, but you know it's not.

It might be that some Republicans are snowflakes, but so are all who don't have enough brass to put their vote up for review.

 

[Lovebug]

The impeachment process begins when a House Resolution is introduced that includes one or more Articles of Impeachment. No vote is required ... at that time. The bill goes to the House Committee on the Judiciary and an investigation into the article(s) begins. When the House Committee on the Judiciary completes its investigation a majority vote from the committee will release the Article(s) of Impeachment for the floor to vote upon. At that point a vote of the entire House is required.

They may still go through the motion, but they don't want their votes on record.

 

[ttwtt78640]

Re: No Vote Pelosi- Not at this Time

And that would be a negative mark on the Republican Party.

Are you kidding me? Pelosi is most certainly not delaying a House vote to prevent "negative marks on republicants". Pelosi is simply not convinced (and is likely never going to be) that Schiff has the goods on Trump to the extent necessary to get at least 20 "guilty" (remove Trump from office) votes from republicants in the Senate.

 

[OpportunityCost]

You just pulled that from thin air. It’s not a rule, a law or directed by the constitution. The House, according to the constitution, makes its own rules.

No. I didn't.

Impeachment |


US House of Representatives: History, Art & Archives

The House brings impeachment charges against federal officials as part of its oversight and investigatory responsibilities. Individual Members of the House can introduce impeachment resolutions like ordinary bills, or the House could initiate proceedings by passing a resolution authorizing an inquiry. The Committee on the Judiciary ordinarily has jurisdiction over impeachments, but special committees investigated charges before the Judiciary Committee was created in 1813. The committee then chooses whether to pursue articles of impeachment against the accused official and report them to the full House. If the articles are adopted (by simple majority vote), the House appoints Members by resolution to manage the ensuing Senate trial on its behalf. These managers act as prosecutors in the Senate and are usually members of the Judiciary Committee. The number of managers has varied across impeachment trials but has traditionally been an odd number. The partisan composition of managers has also varied depending on the nature of the impeachment, but the managers, by definition, always support the House’s impeachment action.

https://fas.org/sgp/crs/misc/R45769.pdf

Multiple House rules are not being complied with. Specifically, removing the judiciary committee which has historically ran such investigations.

The standing rules of the House that affect committee investigations apply as well to
impeachment investigations by the Judiciary Committee. A resolution authorizing an
impeachment investigation might place additional limitations, or grant additional authorities, to
the committee. In addition, the committee itself might adopt rules specific to an impeachment
inquiry.26 It has not been unusual for the Judiciary Committee to authorize subcommittees or to
create task forces to conduct impeachment investigations, and in that case the full committee
would establish the authority of the subcommittee or task force.