Paul Strongest Against Obama?

[jasonxe]

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Originally Posted by Public Policy Polling
Ron Paul is the strongest Republican against Obama on the New Mexico President poll we'll release later today

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Granted the scrutiny Paul would come under if he got the nomination could change his current strength with indys...
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But if Paul somehow won nomination and GOP united around him, his strength with indys would make him tougher foe for Obama than Romney
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The reason Romney usually does better v. Obama than Paul overall is many GOP voters say they're undecided in Obama/Paul
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Paul performs the best of the Republicans against Obama among independents on almost every poll we ever do
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There's actually a legitimate statistical argument that Paul would be the strongest GOP candidate against Obama, period.
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Thoughts on Paul being the strongest gop candidate to go against Obama even then Romney.

 

[AdamT]

That would be awesome for Paul if they were running for President of New Mexico.

Unfortunately he doesn't do very well nationally, where he trails Obama by about 9% to Romney's 2%.

 

[Thunder]

...Thoughts on Paul being the strongest gop candidate to go against Obama even then Romney....

if this is true, it shows the utter failure of the GOP candidates.

 

[poweRob]

Thoughts on Paul being the strongest gop candidate to go against Obama even then Romney.

I don't have enough confidence for the GOP candidate to be chosen by GOP faithful to put up front anyone positing facts over the ones that forward the most annoying "I promise you I have the biggest dick... Let's bomb Iran" candidate.

 

[jasonxe]

I don't have enough confidence for the GOP candidate to be chosen by GOP faithful to put up front anyone positing facts over the ones that forward the most annoying "I promise you I have the biggest dick... Let's bomb Iran" candidate.

Bachmann doesn't have one though XD

 

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Thoughts on Paul being the strongest gop candidate to go against Obama even then Romney.

That is pretty laughable. New Mexico is a blue state, so the more normal presidential candidates won't fair as well. Further it is only one state and a fairly small one. Paul, not going to get the nomination, and would be destroyed in a general, in part for the reason outlined in your quote, but mostly because his positions will alienate people from all places on the political spectrum.

 

[jasonxe]

which quote? This one?

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There's actually a legitimate statistical argument that Paul would be the strongest GOP candidate against Obama, period.
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Here is the poll: RealClearPolitics - Election 2012 - New Mexico: Paul vs. Obama

Obama 51 Paul 38. Yes, he did the best....a little.

 

[Thunder]

I heard on the radio today, how the other GOPers yesterday were talking about expanding our military and attacking Iran.

Meanwhile, Mr. Paul suggested that this is madness, as we simply can't afford it.

Hence, if I was a Republican, I would have no choice but to vote for Ron Paul in the primary.

 

[Redress]

which quote? This one?

No, the one that works in context:

Granted the scrutiny Paul would come under if he got the nomination could change his current strength with indys...

This whole thread is proof of why you should not get news from Paul sites.

 

[samsmart]

I heard on the radio today, how the other GOPers yesterday were talking about expanding our military and attacking Iran.

Meanwhile, Mr. Paul suggested that this is madness, as we simply can't afford it.

Hence, if I was a Republican, I would have no choice but to vote for Ron Paul in the primary.

I am a Republican, and I may have to vote for Ron Paul in the primary.

I think he's dead wrong about the abolition of the Cabinet departments he wants to get rid of, and I think he's dead wrong about shutting down all overseas military bases, and I think he's dead wrong on most of his policies.

But I think that, as President, he will tear down the PATRIOT Act and get rid of the authorization to detain American citizens domestically by the military. That **** is wrong. And nobody is talking about it. But I think Ron Paul would be the one to end that kind of bull****.

So if we have to tear down the whole system just to get rid of the stupid oppressive bull**** then so be it.

 

[Thunder]

I am a Republican, and I may have to vote for Ron Paul in the primary.

I think he's dead wrong about the abolition of the Cabinet departments he wants to get rid of, and I think he's dead wrong about shutting down all overseas military bases, and I think he's dead wrong on most of his policies.

But I think that, as President, he will tear down the PATRIOT Act and get rid of the authorization to detain American citizens domestically by the military. That **** is wrong. And nobody is talking about it. But I think Ron Paul would be the one to end that kind of bull****.

So if we have to tear down the whole system just to get rid of the stupid oppressive bull**** then so be it.

forgive me for what I am about to say, but: three debates between RP and Obama, might be very interesting & informative.

 

[poweRob]

I am a Republican, and I may have to vote for Ron Paul in the primary.

I think he's dead wrong about the abolition of the Cabinet departments he wants to get rid of, and I think he's dead wrong about shutting down all overseas military bases, and I think he's dead wrong on most of his policies.

But I think that, as President, he will tear down the PATRIOT Act and get rid of the authorization to detain American citizens domestically by the military. That **** is wrong. And nobody is talking about it. But I think Ron Paul would be the one to end that kind of bull****.

So if we have to tear down the whole system just to get rid of the stupid oppressive bull**** then so be it.

There is a lot of cross-over agreement between this raging liberal and yourself.

 

[samsmart]

forgive me for what I am about to say, but: three debates between RP and Obama, might be very interesting & informative.

Nothing to forgive.

I would love for Obama to explain why he has decided that he won't veto the defense authorization bill.

 

[pragmatic]

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Thoughts on Paul being the strongest gop candidate to go against Obama even then Romney.

Thoughts are that the premise is totally bogus. Ron Paul does have a solid loyal group that support him. Problem for him is that he is not anyone's "second choice". Which translates to the fact that once one steps beyond the perimeter of his avid following....there is nobody else to vote for him.

On some domestic issues he does make some valid arguements and deservers a listen. On foreign policy (in particular Iran) he is a bit of a rogue outcast.


And then there's the squeeky voice and the "hey you kids get off of my lawn" image which isn't helping him either.....

 

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Just a reminder, the rest of the story: In the one state being discussed in the OP, Paul lost by 13 points to Obama. It's a bunch of nonsense, a complete joke. Don't take it seriously.

 

[samsmart]

There is a lot of cross-over agreement between this raging liberal and yourself.

Value of constitutional protections isn't a liberal issue or a conservative issue.

It's an American citizen issue. And it's one that seems to be opposed by most elected officials. Both from the right and from the left.

 

[poweRob]

Value of constitutional protections isn't a liberal issue or a conservative issue.

It's an American citizen issue. And it's one that seems to be opposed by most elected officials. Both from the right and from the left.

I find it difficult to have constitutional discussions on politics anymore. When one tries to do this with the right you run into so many that say that they are more divine because they hold the constitution in higher regard than everyone else, BUT are also the social conservatives so wet-their-pants afraid of any bump in the dark that they seem to find that their fear trumps the constitution. Hence the patriot acts the NDAA, SOPA... They constantly hold the constitution on the tip of their tongue and authoritarianism on the tips of their fingers.

 

[jasonxe]

Barack Obama is considerably less popular in New Mexico now than he was in 2008. - Public Policy Polling

Paul is also the only one of the Republicans who manages to improve on John McCain's 2008 peformance in the state. He trails by 13 points at 51-38. He's the only GOP hopeful who leads Obama with independents, at 46-38, and the 14% of Democrats he gets ties Romney for the highest level of crossover support any of the Republicans receives. Paul as the strongest of the Republican candidates with independents has become more the rule than the exception in our recent polling across the country.

 

[1Perry]

forgive me for what I am about to say, but: three debates between RP and Obama, might be very interesting & informative.

Indeed. How would Obama supporters spin the part where Obama defends his right to arrest and hold American citizens for as long as he wants without a trial?

Paul is the strongest against anyone running.

 

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Barack Obama is considerably less popular in New Mexico now than he was in 2008. - Public Policy Polling

The actual headline of the article is:

[h=3]Obama looks safe in New Mexico[/h]

This thread gets more surreal all the time.

 

[jasonxe]

The actual headline of the article is:



This thread gets more surreal all the time.

Manual link the url barack-obama-is-considerably-less-popular-in-new-mexico-now-than-he-was-in-2008-he-won-57-of-the-vote-there-but-now-has-an.html

 

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Manual link the url barack-obama-is-considerably-less-popular-in-new-mexico-now-than-he-was-in-2008-he-won-57-of-the-vote-there-but-now-has-an.html

I understand that. It was probably a Paul supporter who came up with the URL.

So what we have learned is that the one state Paul is strongest in, he loses to Obama by 13 points and is still safely a blue state. I doubt your intention with this thread was to make fun of Paul, but you did a damn good job of it.

 

[jasonxe]

He continually lead among with independents. The premise was the backing of the gop if he wins. Please continue hating on paul and spreading lies like he voted to ban gay adoption.

 

[samsmart]

I find it difficult to have constitutional discussions on politics anymore. When one tries to do this with the right you run into so many that say that they are more divine because they hold the constitution in higher regard than everyone else, BUT are also the social conservatives so wet-their-pants afraid of any bump in the dark that they seem to find that their fear trumps the constitution. Hence the patriot acts the NDAA, SOPA... They constantly hold the constitution on the tip of their tongue and authoritarianism on the tips of their fingers.

Well, just to let you know, I'm not personally a conservative, and I actively oppose libertarianism.

But it should be pointed out that Representatives and Senators from the Democratic Party also voted in favor of the PATRIOT Act, NDAA, and SOPA.

This isn't a right-wing vs. left-wing, or a liberal vs. conservative, or a Republican vs. Democrat thing.

Rather, this is an American politicians vs. American people thing. And with the American people having no way to influence federal legislation, they're not currently on the winning side.