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Pastor fired for promoting Covid vaccine

nota bene said:
When folks talk about churches as "hospitals for the sick," they aren't referring to physical illness.
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That's not what the article says:

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... the "remarkable longevity" of the Orthodox monks of Mount Athos in northern Greece. Do their long lives reflect the monks’ habit of eating simply, consuming fish, fresh vegetables, fruits and grains they grow themselves?

Samra notes that the monks also "do physical chores and walk everywhere." In addition, they adhere to Orthodox days of fast and abstinence and "pray constantly."

John Wesley, the 18th-century founder of Methodism, "recommended a diet close to vegetarian … and drinking a lot of water," says Samra. Wesley, he adds, advised the clergy to "get open-air exercise three hours a day by walking or horseback riding."
The keys to sound health that Samra recommends extend from good nutrition and regular physical exercise to prayer, days of fasting and a cheerful attitude that allows plenty of room for laughter. Even a nap can be restorative.
"When Jesus slipped away from the crowds, I believe he did so not only to pray, but also to take a nap," says Samra."

It sounds like the article is talking about diet, sleep, and exercise. Where is your outrage?
 
ataraxia said:
No. But I HAD heard of the Catholic Church.

Teach young healthy eating habits

With child obesity off the charts and reaching epidemic proportions - just look around the next time you visit Disney World, teaching young people how to eat well is critical.The Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health points out that a kid's peers influence eating habits and that the only d
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And perhaps even of the National Catholic Register, but this very brief blog entry says absolutely nothing about what priests or deacons should do, and that is what is at issue in this thread.

People are pissed off that a pastor was fired for promoting vaccination, and yet as a vaguely recall, there actually has been outrage in other threads that some pastors have discouraged vaccination.
 
ataraxia said:
That's not what the article says:

"
... the "remarkable longevity" of the Orthodox monks of Mount Athos in northern Greece. Do their long lives reflect the monks’ habit of eating simply, consuming fish, fresh vegetables, fruits and grains they grow themselves?

Samra notes that the monks also "do physical chores and walk everywhere." In addition, they adhere to Orthodox days of fast and abstinence and "pray constantly."

John Wesley, the 18th-century founder of Methodism, "recommended a diet close to vegetarian … and drinking a lot of water," says Samra. Wesley, he adds, advised the clergy to "get open-air exercise three hours a day by walking or horseback riding."
The keys to sound health that Samra recommends extend from good nutrition and regular physical exercise to prayer, days of fasting and a cheerful attitude that allows plenty of room for laughter. Even a nap can be restorative.
"When Jesus slipped away from the crowds, I believe he did so not only to pray, but also to take a nap," says Samra."

It sounds like the article is talking about diet, sleep, and exercise. Where is your outrage?
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The issue is not monks nor long-deceased (and venerable) John Wesley's diet recommendations; the issue is what pastors are saying behind their pulpits.
 
nota bene said:
And perhaps even of the National Catholic Register, but this very brief blog entry says absolutely nothing about what priests or deacons should do, and that is what is at issue in this thread.

People are pissed off that a pastor was fired for promoting vaccination, and yet as a vaguely recall, there actually has been outrage in other threads that some pastors have discouraged vaccination.
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Yes, of course. Many religious people need to have a "God says" tacked on to everything before they do it, because actual this-worldly reasons, even if it means they don't die, doesn't really do it for them. The world is like a giant game of "Simon says" for them, except it's "God says". They need that authority to tell them what to do. They can't imagine that many issues should be done based on their own merits. They are like blind people who always have to be led around by external authority. They can't imagine that their own brains and conscience can have a role in making sound decisions.

So if someone is in a position whom the believers think is speaking for god, like a preacher or priest, and they use it to promote unhealthy or even deadly practices, doesn't that warrant some outrage?
 
nota bene said:
And perhaps even of the National Catholic Register, but this very brief blog entry says absolutely nothing about what priests or deacons should do, and that is what is at issue in this thread.
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No, the issue in this thread is not about what priests or deacons should do. It's about a priest who got fired for promoting sound, healthy advice.

I am sure you knew that though. Did you learn gaslighting like this from the Bible or your priest?
 
nota bene said:
The issue is not monks nor long-deceased (and venerable) John Wesley's diet recommendations; the issue is what pastors are saying behind their pulpits.
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A pastor suggesting getting vaccinated to his congregation during a deadly world wide pandemic is doing exactly what any responsible pastor would do.
 
nota bene said:
When folks talk about churches as "hospitals for the sick," they aren't referring to physical illness.
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There needs to be asses in the seats to support the tradition that begins,”it is more blessed to give than to receive.”
 
ataraxia said:
Yes, of course. Many religious people need to have a "God says" tacked on to everything before they do it, because actual this-worldly reasons, even if it means they don't die, don't really do it for them. The world is like a giant game of "Simon says" for them, except it's "God says". They need that authority to tell them what to do. They can't imagine that many issues should be done based on their own merits. They are like blind people who always have to be led around by external authority. They can't imagine that their own brains and conscience and have role in making sound decisions.

So if someone is in a position whom the believers think is speaking for god, like a preacher or priest, and they use it to promote unhealthy or even deadly practices, doesn't that warrant some outrage?
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I can't speak to your if/then hypothetical, and I can't remember a time in my life when I've been outraged by what someone else's church is doing. I guess I need to inquire whether you are a churchgoer yourself and whether you have had such experiences and have been outraged.

As a churchgoer myself, I go to church for only one reason. There used to be two, but now there is only one, to worship God in community. I've never been offered public health advice in a church, and I've never heard a pastor speak of other than spiritual issues. Perhaps your experience differs.
 
Rexedgar said:
There needs to be asses in the seats to support the tradition that begins,”it is more blessed to give than to receive.”
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This is a "tradition"?!
 
nota bene said:
I can't speak to your if/then hypothetical, and I can't remember a time in my life when I've been outraged by what someone else's church is doing. I guess I need to inquire whether you are a churchgoer yourself and whether you have had such experiences and have been outraged.

As a churchgoer myself, I go to church for only one reason. There used to be two, but now there is only one, to worship God in community. I've never been offered public health advice in a church, and I've never heard a pastor speak of other than spiritual issues. Perhaps your experience differs.
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I am sure even if you heard such advice in the past, I am pretty sure we would not have seen this level of outrage from you.

But all your favorites are turning into tyrannical communist Nazi tyrants. Everyone you thought you could trust to protect your freedom to sicken and kill others is turning on you. Oh the horror! :LOL:

www.cbsnews.com

Trump urges people to get COVID vaccine, saying it's safe and works

Many Republicans have said they don't intend to, and Trump has been urged to be more vocal in encouraging them to.
www.cbsnews.com www.cbsnews.com

www.vaticannews.va

Pope Francis urges people to get vaccinated against Covid-19 - Vatican News

Pope Francis launches a powerful appeal for people to get vaccinated with approved Covid-19 vaccines, calling it “an act of love.”
www.vaticannews.va www.vaticannews.va
 
ataraxia said:
No, the issue in this thread is not about what priests or deacons should do. It's about a priest who got fired for promoting sound, healthy advice.

I am sure you knew that though. Did you learn gaslighting like this from the Bible or your priest?
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My original point, sigh, was that while you may like this bit of advocacy from this pastor, there are surely other social or health advocacies that you aren't going to like and that you can't have it both ways.
 
ataraxia said:
I am sure even if you heard such advice in the past, I am pretty sure we would not have seen this level of outrage from you.

But all your favorites are turning into tyrannical communist Nazi tyrants. Oh the horror! :LOL:

www.cbsnews.com

Trump urges people to get COVID vaccine, saying it's safe and works

Many Republicans have said they don't intend to, and Trump has been urged to be more vocal in encouraging them to.
www.cbsnews.com www.cbsnews.com

www.vaticannews.va

Pope Francis urges people to get vaccinated against Covid-19 - Vatican News

Pope Francis launches a powerful appeal for people to get vaccinated with approved Covid-19 vaccines, calling it “an act of love.”
www.vaticannews.va www.vaticannews.va
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Good old Francis--let's trot him out when he's "serviceable." Let's ignore him when he speaks about abortion and other issues.
 
nota bene said:
Good old Francis--let's trot him out when he's "serviceable." Let's ignore him when he speaks about abortion and other issues.
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Church leaders are shepherds in a position to promote good behavior and practice, simply by tacking on a "God says" to their flock. It's a very powerful spell they have. I am happy when they do use it for good. It's highly disturbing when they use that power as cattle herders to lead their flock off a cliff.
 
ataraxia said:
This is absolutely crazy. Republicans tell us that they’re not against the vaccine, only that they don’t want it to be forced down their throats.

What is this really true? This pastor was fired for encouraging his congregation to get the Covid vaccine.

“ A pastor and spokesman for National Religious Broadcasters was fired on Friday after he promoted COVID-19 vaccines…

In an interview on MSNBC's "Morning Joe" on August 18, Daniel Darling said he was motivated by his evangelical faith to get vaccinated.

Darling told MSNBC's Joe Scarborough that getting the vaccine helps promote the concept of loving "our neighbor" since those who are vaccinated are less likely to spread the virus.

"I believe in this vaccine because I don't want to see anyone else die of COVID. Our family has lost too many close friends and relatives to COVID, including an uncle, a beloved church member, and our piano teacher," Darling told Scarborough.“
www.google.com

A pastor from National Religious Broadcasters was fired for promoting the COVID-19 vaccine on TV

"I believe in this vaccine because I don't want to see anyone else die of COVID," Daniel Darling said on MSNBC earlier this month.
www.google.com www.google.com

This is not about freedom. At this point, not getting the vaccine is a sign of being faithful to the tribe. It has become a symbol of tribal identity and solidarity. It’s just not what “the good people” do, and if you get it or promote it, you are betraying your tribe. People are embarrassed to admit they got it. Not getting the vaccine has become a little bit like not eating pork for the Muslims.
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National Religious Broadcasters have set the bar and they should be held liable from this point forward because thanks to their influence more people will die, pastors and congregants alike.
Freedom of speech doesn't equal freedom from consequences and NRB has a duty to prevent associates from harm.
 
ataraxia said:
This is absolutely crazy. Republicans tell us that they’re not against the vaccine, only that they don’t want it to be forced down their throats.

What is this really true? This pastor was fired for encouraging his congregation to get the Covid vaccine.

“ A pastor and spokesman for National Religious Broadcasters was fired on Friday after he promoted COVID-19 vaccines…

In an interview on MSNBC's "Morning Joe" on August 18, Daniel Darling said he was motivated by his evangelical faith to get vaccinated.

Darling told MSNBC's Joe Scarborough that getting the vaccine helps promote the concept of loving "our neighbor" since those who are vaccinated are less likely to spread the virus.

"I believe in this vaccine because I don't want to see anyone else die of COVID. Our family has lost too many close friends and relatives to COVID, including an uncle, a beloved church member, and our piano teacher," Darling told Scarborough.“
www.google.com

A pastor from National Religious Broadcasters was fired for promoting the COVID-19 vaccine on TV

"I believe in this vaccine because I don't want to see anyone else die of COVID," Daniel Darling said on MSNBC earlier this month.
www.google.com www.google.com

This is not about freedom. At this point, not getting the vaccine is a sign of being faithful to the tribe. It has become a symbol of tribal identity and solidarity. It’s just not what “the good people” do, and if you get it or promote it, you are betraying your tribe. People are embarrassed to admit they got it. Not getting the vaccine has become a little bit like not eating pork for the Muslims.
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He's better off not being employed by the American Taliban.
 
CaughtInThe said:
hang on.

you said you were infected multiple times and fought it off each time because your family is "tough". did you then meet with clients and infect them? did they infect others. did those people infect others?
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I said that "I am sure" that I was infected multiple times. It's a weird convention of English that when we say, "I'm sure . . . " or "No doubt . . . " we mean that we don't know for a fact but it makes sense.

I can be fairly confident that I did not infect others because I work with the same people day in and day out and none of them ever went out with COVID. Some people in my school with whom I rarely had contact went out but not my close contacts, students nor staff. I suppose it is possible that I did infect someone who also had a strong immune system. I was a special ed teacher; we work with all kinds of kids with hygiene issues and health issues so we do develop tough immune systems.
 
seymourflops said:
I said that "I am sure" that I was infected multiple times.
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yeah. you did.

and then did you meet with clients and infect them?




are you as tough as this guy?

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ataraxia said:
This is absolutely crazy. Republicans tell us that they’re not against the vaccine, only that they don’t want it to be forced down their throats.

What is this really true? This pastor was fired for encouraging his congregation to get the Covid vaccine.

“ A pastor and spokesman for National Religious Broadcasters was fired on Friday after he promoted COVID-19 vaccines…

In an interview on MSNBC's "Morning Joe" on August 18, Daniel Darling said he was motivated by his evangelical faith to get vaccinated.

Darling told MSNBC's Joe Scarborough that getting the vaccine helps promote the concept of loving "our neighbor" since those who are vaccinated are less likely to spread the virus.

"I believe in this vaccine because I don't want to see anyone else die of COVID. Our family has lost too many close friends and relatives to COVID, including an uncle, a beloved church member, and our piano teacher," Darling told Scarborough.“
www.google.com

A pastor from National Religious Broadcasters was fired for promoting the COVID-19 vaccine on TV

"I believe in this vaccine because I don't want to see anyone else die of COVID," Daniel Darling said on MSNBC earlier this month.
www.google.com www.google.com

This is not about freedom. At this point, not getting the vaccine is a sign of being faithful to the tribe. It has become a symbol of tribal identity and solidarity. It’s just not what “the good people” do, and if you get it or promote it, you are betraying your tribe. People are embarrassed to admit they got it. Not getting the vaccine has become a little bit like not eating pork for the Muslims.
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Maybe whoever fired him felt that there are enough people "encouraging" others to get the vaccine. You don't really talk about who fired him for what stated reason. It's here in your link:

  • A pastor and spokesman for National Religious Broadcasters voiced support for COVID-19 vaccines on MSNBC.
  • Daniel Darling said on "Morning Joe" he believed in the vaccine and didn't want to see more people die.
  • NRB fired him for refusing to admit his comment violated a policy to remain neutral on vaccines.

How could that not have violated the policy to remain neutral on vaccines? He all but stated that God wants the pastor's listeners to get the vaccine. That ain't neutral.

It's a very reasonable and wise policy for an organization dedicated to bringing people to God to not alienate a significant percentage of potential lost soul the could bring into the fold. That pastor chose to use the platform built by a religious organization to promote his secular pet project. Then he refused to admit it.

He must not have needed the job. Which will be a self-fulfilling prophesy; no doubt he'll get a fabulous book deal.
 
CaughtInThe said:
yeah. you did.

and then did you meet with clients and infect them?




are you as tough as this guy?

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So, now you're going to read only the first sentence of my replies and then re-ask the questions that I just answered?

You're getting tired, methinks.

The real question is, is that guy as tough as me?
 
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