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I"ve seen the typical republican bot talk when a newbie con drops in here and say, "I used to be a democrat but the party moved too radical..." blah blah blah. Pew kind of cleared that bullshit up.
That's an interesting poll, though the problem would be that it's sole purpose is politically motivated.I"ve seen the typical republican bot talk when a newbie con drops in here and say, "I used to be a democrat but the party moved too radical..." blah blah blah. Pew kind of cleared that bullshit up.
I saw this and my jaw dropped... How could this possible be? Then I read the methodology and it made more sense.I"ve seen the typical republican bot talk when a newbie con drops in here and say, "I used to be a democrat but the party moved too radical..." blah blah blah. Pew kind of cleared that bullshit up.
I saw this and my jaw dropped... How could this possible be? Then I read the methodology and it made more sense.
This study isn't about ideological beliefs, or policies each party endorses. As far as I can tell, it's basically about cross over votes over the years in the congress and senate. It's looking at the number of republicans that voted with democrats on bills, and the number of democrats who voted with republicans on bills.
So by their standards, when those 2 democrats crossed the isle and voted with republicans against the "Build Back Better" bill, that would be an example of republicans moving further to the right
... In my opinion, when a party can't even get all of their representatives to vote yes on a piece of legislation they crafted, such as Build back better, and the opposing party, the republicans, unanimously voted it down, that's an example of the democrats moving further to the left, not the other way around.
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It really started with Barry Goldwater.I could be wrong but seems like it started with Ronald Reagan, Rush Limbaugh and Fox News.
Here's an eye-opener >>>
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People becoming more politically extreme in time of economic hardship is actually very well documented and consistent no matter the culture being studied. Also consider what's been happening to small towns since walmartization, farming consolidation, and the meth epidemic.I could be wrong but seems like it started with Ronald Reagan, Rush Limbaugh and Fox News.
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Translation: I don't want to believe your data so I'll counter with a "some people have been saying for a few years" retort and pretend it's founded in around the same amount of facts.That's an interesting poll, though the problem would be that it's sole purpose is politically motivated.
This has been a topic for a few years now, how the democrats have shifted too far to the left for many people and that the republicans have stayed relatively the same. Even with Trump's term in office indicating a slight shift towards the center as opposed to being further on the right.
Then again, this is coming from the same kind of people who claim that anyone right of Bernie Sanders is a republican. So there's no real room to swing that particular club here.
I"ve seen the typical republican bot talk when a newbie con drops in here and say, "I used to be a democrat but the party moved too radical..." blah blah blah. Pew kind of cleared that bullshit up.
Its nonsense. Most are like me. They were life long Republicans and saw the party go bat shot crazy and stopped voting GOP .I"ve seen the typical republican bot talk when a newbie con drops in here and say, "I used to be a democrat but the party moved too radical..." blah blah blah. Pew kind of cleared that bullshit up.
And those people vote republican that worship the billionaires that take away their jobs, and those people worship the greedy asshoels that take their jobs by paying slave wages in China or elsewhere, so spare me feeling sorry for those people who vote against their interests so they can blame their shitty plot on life on people of color, immigrant and liberals. Every policy liberals want would help the rural conservatives the most.People becoming more politically extreme in time of economic hardship is actually very well documented and consistent no matter the culture being studied. Also consider what's been happening to small towns since walmartization, farming consolidation, and the meth epidemic.
I"ve seen the typical republican bot talk when a newbie con drops in here and say, "I used to be a democrat but the party moved too radical..." blah blah blah. Pew kind of cleared that bullshit up.
Nice strawman that makes no sense regarding my OP whatsoever.So, you are willing to give up the center to the Republicans? If all Democrats agreed with you, the Democratic Party would be a smaller third party in a couple of years.
Both Major Parties are shrinking, independents growing. Looking back to 2006, those who identified themselves as Democrats made up 35% of the electorate, Republicans 30%, independents 30%. Today those numbers are 29% Democrat, 26% Republican, 42% independent. I think the cause is the intransigents and litmus test both major parties throw at folks. One must be ideological pure to belong to either major party.I"ve seen the typical republican bot talk when a newbie con drops in here and say, "I used to be a democrat but the party moved too radical..." blah blah blah. Pew kind of cleared that bullshit up.
I'd like to see what the standard Pew was using to determine left and right. However, it's a red flag that they begin at the Democrat's highest ascendancy, the resignation of Richard Nixon. That would naturally be the furthest left point for the party.I"ve seen the typical republican bot talk when a newbie con drops in here and say, "I used to be a democrat but the party moved too radical..." blah blah blah. Pew kind of cleared that bullshit up.
It has always been there. Goldwater was one of the principal shapers of the thinking/verbiage, but he was dealing with something already there.It really started with Barry Goldwater.
Here’s some interesting party affiliation stats from Pew. The Democrats high point at 51% of the electorate occurred in 1961 and 1964. The Republican Party has been as low as 21% in 1975 and 1979. Interestingly the Democrats maintained an average of a 20 point plus average over the Republicans in party affiliation from FDR until Reagan. That narrowed to a 5-point advantage during Ronnie and has been between 5-10 points since until 2014 when this graph ends.I'd like to see what the standard Pew was using to determine left and right. However, it's a red flag that they begin at the Democrat's highest ascendancy, the resignation of Richard Nixon. That would naturally be the furthest left point for the party.
This is not a good thing for Democrats. It shows that the Republicans were more responsive to the people than the Democrats have been.
It has always been there. Goldwater was one of the principal shapers of the thinking/verbiage, but he was dealing with something already there.
There are reasons why Pew is considered second rate. Silver gives them a B/C ranking with a left bias. Rasmussen and Zogby do better.Here’s some interesting party affiliation stats from Pew. The Democrats high point at 51% of the electorate occurred in 1961 and 1964. The Republican Party has been as low as 21% in 1975 and 1979. Interestingly the Democrats maintained an average of a 20 point plus average over the Republicans in party affiliation from FDR until Reagan. That narrowed to a 5-point advantage during Ronnie and has been between 5-10 points since until 2014 when this graph ends.
https://www.pewresearch.org/politics/interactives/party-id-trend/
You can take party affiliation further with Gallup to Feb of this year.
https://news.gallup.com/poll/15370/party-affiliation.aspx
I think Gallup’s 29% for the Democrats and 26% for the GOP shows neither party is a party for most Americans. Just their base. I also think both will continue to shrink. I do think the Republicans at 26% is close to their average party affiliation from FDR to today. While the Democratic average of 45% from FDR until Reagan has shrunk to 29% today. It’s the Democrats who have lost the most folks while the GOP just chugs along in the middle 20’s for what seems as forever with a few exceptions.
Translation: I don't actually pay attention to the fact that polls have become increasing politicized over the last decade. So I'm just going to do like I'm told and think the thoughts that I'm only allowed to have.Translation: I don't want to believe your data so I'll counter with a "some people have been saying for a few years" retort and pretend it's founded in around the same amount of facts.
So, you are willing to give up the center to the Republicans? If all Democrats agreed with you, the Democratic Party would be a smaller third party in a couple of years.
| | Vote | Seats | S/V |
Liberal | | 32.62% | 47.34% | 1.45 |
Conservative | | 33.74% | 35.21% | 1.04 |
Block Q | | 7.64% | 9.47% | 1.24 |
New Dem | | 17.82% | 7.40% | 0.42 |
Green | | 2.33% | 0.89% | 0.38 |
People’s | | 4.94% | 0.00% | 0 |
Its nonsense. Most are like me. They were life long Republicans and saw the party go bat shot crazy and stopped voting GOP .
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