Pander Joe repeats the Matthew Shepher big lie (1 Viewer)

[KLATTU]

Twenty-five years ago today, Matthew Shepard lost his life to a brutal act of hate and violence that shocked our nation and the world," he said this morning. "The week prior, Matthew had been viciously attacked in a horrific anti-gay hate crime and left to die – simply for being himself."

got it?He was killed by a homophobe because he was gay.Right?

Ummmm not quite.

Matthew Shepard's murder was almost certainly not an anti-gay hate crime

In the fall of 1998, a man named Matthew Shepard was savagely beaten, strung out on a fence like a scarecrow, and left to die as the Wyoming night

reason.com

Shepard's murder was, without a doubt, an act of hate and violence. But the latter part of Biden's statement—that his murder was spurred by homophobic animus—is the most important. For years, it has been repeated in some of the largest media outlets. It has driven federal policy. It is the part that "changed America," despite all evidence pointing to the fact that it isn't true.

There were, however, many questions that continued to go unanswered after the initial shock wore off. "The act-of-hate story never quite added up," wrote Elizabeth Nolan Brown in the October 2021 issue of Reason. "Why did police insist that the perpetrators' primary motive was robbery? Why did the allegedly violently homophobic perpetrators supposedly pretend to be gay? And if hate crime protections were needed to stop horrific acts like this from happening, why did Wyoming have no trouble convicting the men of first-degree murder and sentencing them to life in prison?"

It wasn't until the prominent gay journalist Stephen Jimenez published his 2013 book, The Book of Matt: Hidden Truths About the Murder of Matthew Shepard, that those gaps started to narrow significantly. McKinney and Shepard reportedly were connected by the drug trade, with Shepard set to receive a $10,000 shipment of methamphetamine around the time he was killed. Also relevant is that McKinney was allegedly not traumatized by advances from Shepard, as the two had been sexually involved.

But the myth has continued to persist, as they sometimes do when in service of what is seen as the greater good. "25 years after Matthew Shepard's death," the A.P. noted in a piece this morning, "LGBTQ+ activists say equal-rights progress is at risk." Contrast that with what Shepard's father, Dennis, reportedly told Wyoming's governor not long after the murder: "We should not use Matt to further an agenda," he said. "Don't rush into just passing all kinds of new hate crimes laws. Be very careful of any changes and be sure you're not taking away rights of others in the process to race to this."

Yet, we've done that and more. Shepard continues to live on in calls for government intervention and a buttressed police state, as well as culturally, when we tell younger generations of gay people that they could be next.

Shepard's murder was evil. It was evil because murder is evil. Unfortunately, though, that's not always enough.

 

[NuffSaid]

Wow, this is the 5th or 6th thread on Biden.
NFL is on, enjoy some football or go for a walk.
Your obsession with Biden is concerning.

 

[tshade]

Twenty-five years ago today, Matthew Shepard lost his life to a brutal act of hate and violence that shocked our nation and the world," he said this morning. "The week prior, Matthew had been viciously attacked in a horrific anti-gay hate crime and left to die – simply for being himself."

got it?He was killed by a homophobe because he was gay.Right?

Ummmm not quite.

Matthew Shepard's murder was almost certainly not an anti-gay hate crime

In the fall of 1998, a man named Matthew Shepard was savagely beaten, strung out on a fence like a scarecrow, and left to die as the Wyoming night

reason.com

Shepard's murder was, without a doubt, an act of hate and violence. But the latter part of Biden's statement—that his murder was spurred by homophobic animus—is the most important. For years, it has been repeated in some of the largest media outlets. It has driven federal policy. It is the part that "changed America," despite all evidence pointing to the fact that it isn't true.

There were, however, many questions that continued to go unanswered after the initial shock wore off. "The act-of-hate story never quite added up," wrote Elizabeth Nolan Brown in the October 2021 issue of Reason. "Why did police insist that the perpetrators' primary motive was robbery? Why did the allegedly violently homophobic perpetrators supposedly pretend to be gay? And if hate crime protections were needed to stop horrific acts like this from happening, why did Wyoming have no trouble convicting the men of first-degree murder and sentencing them to life in prison?"

It wasn't until the prominent gay journalist Stephen Jimenez published his 2013 book, The Book of Matt: Hidden Truths About the Murder of Matthew Shepard, that those gaps started to narrow significantly. McKinney and Shepard reportedly were connected by the drug trade, with Shepard set to receive a $10,000 shipment of methamphetamine around the time he was killed. Also relevant is that McKinney was allegedly not traumatized by advances from Shepard, as the two had been sexually involved.

But the myth has continued to persist, as they sometimes do when in service of what is seen as the greater good. "25 years after Matthew Shepard's death," the A.P. noted in a piece this morning, "LGBTQ+ activists say equal-rights progress is at risk." Contrast that with what Shepard's father, Dennis, reportedly told Wyoming's governor not long after the murder: "We should not use Matt to further an agenda," he said. "Don't rush into just passing all kinds of new hate crimes laws. Be very careful of any changes and be sure you're not taking away rights of others in the process to race to this."

Yet, we've done that and more. Shepard continues to live on in calls for government intervention and a buttressed police state, as well as culturally, when we tell younger generations of gay people that they could be next.

Shepard's murder was evil. It was evil because murder is evil. Unfortunately, though, that's not always enough.

Your source is poor---very poor. Biden speaks for the proper cause. Trumpers seem to think anti-gay action is fine.

 

[Grand Mal]

Twenty-five years ago today, Matthew Shepard lost his life to a brutal act of hate and violence that shocked our nation and the world," he said this morning. "The week prior, Matthew had been viciously attacked in a horrific anti-gay hate crime and left to die – simply for being himself."

got it?He was killed by a homophobe because he was gay.Right?

Ummmm not quite.

Matthew Shepard's murder was almost certainly not an anti-gay hate crime

In the fall of 1998, a man named Matthew Shepard was savagely beaten, strung out on a fence like a scarecrow, and left to die as the Wyoming night

reason.com

Shepard's murder was, without a doubt, an act of hate and violence. But the latter part of Biden's statement—that his murder was spurred by homophobic animus—is the most important. For years, it has been repeated in some of the largest media outlets. It has driven federal policy. It is the part that "changed America," despite all evidence pointing to the fact that it isn't true.

There were, however, many questions that continued to go unanswered after the initial shock wore off. "The act-of-hate story never quite added up," wrote Elizabeth Nolan Brown in the October 2021 issue of Reason. "Why did police insist that the perpetrators' primary motive was robbery? Why did the allegedly violently homophobic perpetrators supposedly pretend to be gay? And if hate crime protections were needed to stop horrific acts like this from happening, why did Wyoming have no trouble convicting the men of first-degree murder and sentencing them to life in prison?"

It wasn't until the prominent gay journalist Stephen Jimenez published his 2013 book, The Book of Matt: Hidden Truths About the Murder of Matthew Shepard, that those gaps started to narrow significantly. McKinney and Shepard reportedly were connected by the drug trade, with Shepard set to receive a $10,000 shipment of methamphetamine around the time he was killed. Also relevant is that McKinney was allegedly not traumatized by advances from Shepard, as the two had been sexually involved.

But the myth has continued to persist, as they sometimes do when in service of what is seen as the greater good. "25 years after Matthew Shepard's death," the A.P. noted in a piece this morning, "LGBTQ+ activists say equal-rights progress is at risk." Contrast that with what Shepard's father, Dennis, reportedly told Wyoming's governor not long after the murder: "We should not use Matt to further an agenda," he said. "Don't rush into just passing all kinds of new hate crimes laws. Be very careful of any changes and be sure you're not taking away rights of others in the process to race to this."

Yet, we've done that and more. Shepard continues to live on in calls for government intervention and a buttressed police state, as well as culturally, when we tell younger generations of gay people that they could be next.

Shepard's murder was evil. It was evil because murder is evil. Unfortunately, though, that's not always enough.

Is there a point buried in this somewhere?

 

[SenorXm/Sirius]

Is Trump's Central Park 5 lie in that article somewhere?

 

[watsup]

and a buttressed police state,

Extremist overreach.

 

[SNOWFLAKE]

Wow, this is the 5th or 6th thread on Biden.
NFL is on, enjoy some football or go for a walk.
Your obsession with Biden is concerning.

Everyone needs a hobby

 

[SNOWFLAKE]

Your source is poor---very poor. Biden speaks for the proper cause. Trumpers seem to think anti-gay action is fine.

I checked other sources, because that is what someone who wants to know the truth does. Besides Reason, most other outlets still have this listed as a hate crime. SO I got curious about Reason, and checked up on them:
Overall, we rate Reason Magazine Right-Center biased based on story selection

Reason - Bias and Credibility

RIGHT-CENTER BIAS These media sources are slightly to moderately conservative in bias. They often publish factual information that utilizes loaded words

mediabiasfactcheck.com

 

[tshade]

I checked other sources, because that is what someone who wants to know the truth does. Besides Reason, most other outlets still have this listed as a hate crime. SO I got curious about Reason, and checked up on them:
Overall, we rate Reason Magazine Right-Center biased based on story selection

Reason - Bias and Credibility

RIGHT-CENTER BIAS These media sources are slightly to moderately conservative in bias. They often publish factual information that utilizes loaded words

mediabiasfactcheck.com

No Surprise-------I found the same.

Why can't Trumpers just look at normal accredited information sites ?????? WHY???

 

[Redress]

Twenty-five years ago today, Matthew Shepard lost his life to a brutal act of hate and violence that shocked our nation and the world," he said this morning. "The week prior, Matthew had been viciously attacked in a horrific anti-gay hate crime and left to die – simply for being himself."

got it?He was killed by a homophobe because he was gay.Right?

Ummmm not quite.

Matthew Shepard's murder was almost certainly not an anti-gay hate crime

In the fall of 1998, a man named Matthew Shepard was savagely beaten, strung out on a fence like a scarecrow, and left to die as the Wyoming night

reason.com

Shepard's murder was, without a doubt, an act of hate and violence. But the latter part of Biden's statement—that his murder was spurred by homophobic animus—is the most important. For years, it has been repeated in some of the largest media outlets. It has driven federal policy. It is the part that "changed America," despite all evidence pointing to the fact that it isn't true.

There were, however, many questions that continued to go unanswered after the initial shock wore off. "The act-of-hate story never quite added up," wrote Elizabeth Nolan Brown in the October 2021 issue of Reason. "Why did police insist that the perpetrators' primary motive was robbery? Why did the allegedly violently homophobic perpetrators supposedly pretend to be gay? And if hate crime protections were needed to stop horrific acts like this from happening, why did Wyoming have no trouble convicting the men of first-degree murder and sentencing them to life in prison?"

It wasn't until the prominent gay journalist Stephen Jimenez published his 2013 book, The Book of Matt: Hidden Truths About the Murder of Matthew Shepard, that those gaps started to narrow significantly. McKinney and Shepard reportedly were connected by the drug trade, with Shepard set to receive a $10,000 shipment of methamphetamine around the time he was killed. Also relevant is that McKinney was allegedly not traumatized by advances from Shepard, as the two had been sexually involved.

But the myth has continued to persist, as they sometimes do when in service of what is seen as the greater good. "25 years after Matthew Shepard's death," the A.P. noted in a piece this morning, "LGBTQ+ activists say equal-rights progress is at risk." Contrast that with what Shepard's father, Dennis, reportedly told Wyoming's governor not long after the murder: "We should not use Matt to further an agenda," he said. "Don't rush into just passing all kinds of new hate crimes laws. Be very careful of any changes and be sure you're not taking away rights of others in the process to race to this."

Yet, we've done that and more. Shepard continues to live on in calls for government intervention and a buttressed police state, as well as culturally, when we tell younger generations of gay people that they could be next.

Shepard's murder was evil. It was evil because murder is evil. Unfortunately, though, that's not always enough.

The Book Of Matt is heavily criticized, and it's conclusions are questionable at best. The defense for one of the defendants in the murder claimed the killing was because Shepard made a gay advance(put his hand on the guys knee) which drove the defendant into a rage. While there are certainly questions about the murder, the say Biden's remarks are a lie is just wrong.

 

[SNOWFLAKE]

No Surprise-------I found the same.

Why can't Trumpers just look at normal accredited information sites ?????? WHY???

They need their confirmation biases.

 

[Questerr]

Twenty-five years ago today, Matthew Shepard lost his life to a brutal act of hate and violence that shocked our nation and the world," he said this morning. "The week prior, Matthew had been viciously attacked in a horrific anti-gay hate crime and left to die – simply for being himself."

got it?He was killed by a homophobe because he was gay.Right?

Ummmm not quite.

Matthew Shepard's murder was almost certainly not an anti-gay hate crime

In the fall of 1998, a man named Matthew Shepard was savagely beaten, strung out on a fence like a scarecrow, and left to die as the Wyoming night

reason.com

Shepard's murder was, without a doubt, an act of hate and violence. But the latter part of Biden's statement—that his murder was spurred by homophobic animus—is the most important. For years, it has been repeated in some of the largest media outlets. It has driven federal policy. It is the part that "changed America," despite all evidence pointing to the fact that it isn't true.

There were, however, many questions that continued to go unanswered after the initial shock wore off. "The act-of-hate story never quite added up," wrote Elizabeth Nolan Brown in the October 2021 issue of Reason. "Why did police insist that the perpetrators' primary motive was robbery? Why did the allegedly violently homophobic perpetrators supposedly pretend to be gay? And if hate crime protections were needed to stop horrific acts like this from happening, why did Wyoming have no trouble convicting the men of first-degree murder and sentencing them to life in prison?"

It wasn't until the prominent gay journalist Stephen Jimenez published his 2013 book, The Book of Matt: Hidden Truths About the Murder of Matthew Shepard, that those gaps started to narrow significantly. McKinney and Shepard reportedly were connected by the drug trade, with Shepard set to receive a $10,000 shipment of methamphetamine around the time he was killed. Also relevant is that McKinney was allegedly not traumatized by advances from Shepard, as the two had been sexually involved.

But the myth has continued to persist, as they sometimes do when in service of what is seen as the greater good. "25 years after Matthew Shepard's death," the A.P. noted in a piece this morning, "LGBTQ+ activists say equal-rights progress is at risk." Contrast that with what Shepard's father, Dennis, reportedly told Wyoming's governor not long after the murder: "We should not use Matt to further an agenda," he said. "Don't rush into just passing all kinds of new hate crimes laws. Be very careful of any changes and be sure you're not taking away rights of others in the process to race to this."

Yet, we've done that and more. Shepard continues to live on in calls for government intervention and a buttressed police state, as well as culturally, when we tell younger generations of gay people that they could be next.

Shepard's murder was evil. It was evil because murder is evil. Unfortunately, though, that's not always enough.

If a man makes a pass at a woman, does that justify her killing him?

 

[beefheart]

Twenty-five years ago today, Matthew Shepard lost his life to a brutal act of hate and violence that shocked our nation and the world," he said this morning. "The week prior, Matthew had been viciously attacked in a horrific anti-gay hate crime and left to die – simply for being himself."

got it?He was killed by a homophobe because he was gay.Right?

Ummmm not quite.

Matthew Shepard's murder was almost certainly not an anti-gay hate crime

In the fall of 1998, a man named Matthew Shepard was savagely beaten, strung out on a fence like a scarecrow, and left to die as the Wyoming night

reason.com

Shepard's murder was, without a doubt, an act of hate and violence. But the latter part of Biden's statement—that his murder was spurred by homophobic animus—is the most important. For years, it has been repeated in some of the largest media outlets. It has driven federal policy. It is the part that "changed America," despite all evidence pointing to the fact that it isn't true.

There were, however, many questions that continued to go unanswered after the initial shock wore off. "The act-of-hate story never quite added up," wrote Elizabeth Nolan Brown in the October 2021 issue of Reason. "Why did police insist that the perpetrators' primary motive was robbery? Why did the allegedly violently homophobic perpetrators supposedly pretend to be gay? And if hate crime protections were needed to stop horrific acts like this from happening, why did Wyoming have no trouble convicting the men of first-degree murder and sentencing them to life in prison?"

It wasn't until the prominent gay journalist Stephen Jimenez published his 2013 book, The Book of Matt: Hidden Truths About the Murder of Matthew Shepard, that those gaps started to narrow significantly. McKinney and Shepard reportedly were connected by the drug trade, with Shepard set to receive a $10,000 shipment of methamphetamine around the time he was killed. Also relevant is that McKinney was allegedly not traumatized by advances from Shepard, as the two had been sexually involved.

But the myth has continued to persist, as they sometimes do when in service of what is seen as the greater good. "25 years after Matthew Shepard's death," the A.P. noted in a piece this morning, "LGBTQ+ activists say equal-rights progress is at risk." Contrast that with what Shepard's father, Dennis, reportedly told Wyoming's governor not long after the murder: "We should not use Matt to further an agenda," he said. "Don't rush into just passing all kinds of new hate crimes laws. Be very careful of any changes and be sure you're not taking away rights of others in the process to race to this."

Yet, we've done that and more. Shepard continues to live on in calls for government intervention and a buttressed police state, as well as culturally, when we tell younger generations of gay people that they could be next.

Shepard's murder was evil. It was evil because murder is evil. Unfortunately, though, that's not always enough.

So much hate in your posts.

 

[pocket aces]

Wasn’t killing him enough? 25 years later and bigots are still making excuses for why he was killed.

 

[KLATTU]

I checked other sources, because that is what someone who wants to know the truth does. Besides Reason, most other outlets still have this listed as a hate crime. SO I got curious about Reason, and checked up on them:
Overall, we rate Reason Magazine Right-Center biased based on story selection

Reason - Bias and Credibility

RIGHT-CENTER BIAS These media sources are slightly to moderately conservative in bias. They often publish factual information that utilizes loaded words

mediabiasfactcheck.com

Just curious- why do always cite this source as if they are some oracle of truth?their rating means nothing to me.
Reason is a libertarion site, thus inherently more reliable since they don't conform to party lines.This article is a dispassionate look at the facts- something I'm sure you are not comfortable with because your mindset is hyper partisan , thus simplistic.

 

[Questerr]

Just curious- why do always cite this source as if they are some oracle of truth?their rating means nothing to me.
Reason is a libertarion site, thus inherently more reliable since they don't conform to party lines.This article is a dispassionate look at the facts- something I'm sure you are not comfortable with because your mindset is hyper partisan , thus simplistic.

Pray tell, why does the fact that Matthew made a pass at one of his killers matter? Does that justify his killing?

 

[KLATTU]

Pray tell, why does the fact that Matthew made a pass at one of his killers matter? Does that justify his killing?

if that's why the guy the guy killed him it would matter ,but it wasn't
"How the robust narrative took shape is complex. But it didn't take very long. A few initial elements possibly corroborating such a story were there: Shepard was, indeed, gay; Aaron McKinney—one of the murderers, along with Russell Henderson—used gay slurs in his confession; and McKinney's attorneys attempted to introduce the "gay panic defense," hoping to argue at trial that he had essentially descended into madness when Shepard put a hand on his leg. (The judge was not having it, and his team was prohibited from employing that.)"

Hey try something different- take your partisan glasses off and actually do something rare .THINK.

 

[Questerr]

if that's why the guy the guy killed him it would matter ,but it wasn't
"How the robust narrative took shape is complex. But it didn't take very long. A few initial elements possibly corroborating such a story were there: Shepard was, indeed, gay; Aaron McKinney—one of the murderers, along with Russell Henderson—used gay slurs in his confession; and McKinney's attorneys attempted to introduce the "gay panic defense," hoping to argue at trial that he had essentially descended into madness when Shepard put a hand on his leg. (The judge was not having it, and his team was prohibited from employing that.)"

Hey try something different- take your partisan glasses off and actually do something rare .THINK.

So you agree Matthew was killed for being gay and simply doing what gay men do (make passes at other men)?

 

[KLATTU]

So you agree Matthew was killed for being gay and simply doing what gay men do (make passes at other men)?

McKinney's attorneys attempted to introduce the "gay panic defense," hoping to argue at trial that he had essentially descended into madness when Shepard put a hand on his leg. (The judge was not having it, and his team was prohibited from employing that.)"

Guess that's too hard to comprehend.
Oh well. Please don't bother responding. Not worth my time.

 

[pocket aces]

McKinney's attorneys attempted to introduce the "gay panic defense," hoping to argue at trial that he had essentially descended into madness when Shepard put a hand on his leg. (The judge was not having it, and his team was prohibited from employing that.)"

Guess that's too hard to comprehend.
Oh well. Please don't bother responding. Not worth my time.

Are you really trying to tell us that because the judge said they couldn't use that bullshit defense that it means he wasn't killed because he was gay? Just another example of why your trolling bullshit should never be taken seriously. Your posts are better meant for a kindergarten board, but even they would see you are spouting gibberish.

 

[Redress]

Just curious- why do always cite this source as if they are some oracle of truth?their rating means nothing to me.
Reason is a libertarion site, thus inherently more reliable since they don't conform to party lines.This article is a dispassionate look at the facts- something I'm sure you are not comfortable with because your mindset is hyper partisan , thus simplistic.

Libertarian is a party, and they do toe that party line. Also, hilariously misnamed site, since they tend to arguments from emotion. Of course the problem with your OP is not that it cites Reason.com, but that it is just factually wrong, as pointed out in the thread, and which you ignore.

 

[Questerr]

McKinney's attorneys attempted to introduce the "gay panic defense," hoping to argue at trial that he had essentially descended into madness when Shepard put a hand on his leg. (The judge was not having it, and his team was prohibited from employing that.)"

Guess that's too hard to comprehend.
Oh well. Please don't bother responding. Not worth my time.

If he wasn’t killed for being gay, then why was he killed? Just because?

 

[KLATTU]

Libertarian is a party, and they do toe that party line. Also, hilariously misnamed site, since they tend to arguments from emotion. Of course the problem with your OP is not that it cites Reason.com, but that it is just factually wrong, as pointed out in the thread, and which you ignore.

what is factually wrong?

 

[Bucky]

Wasn’t killing him enough? 25 years later and bigots are still making excuses for why he was killed.

He was murdered, who is disputing that?

What difference is if the crime was based on hate vs greed?

Does it change anything?

 

[Lisa]

McKinney's attorneys attempted to introduce the "gay panic defense," hoping to argue at trial that he had essentially descended into madness when Shepard put a hand on his leg. (The judge was not having it, and his team was prohibited from employing that.)"

Guess that's too hard to comprehend.
Oh well. Please don't bother responding. Not worth my time.

Not only are consevtives attacking living LGBT people they are trying to rationalize the premeditated murder of dead gay people too. How much lower do you want to go?

Facts matter,

Shepard, a political science major university student, headed to a gay-friendly local bar called Fireside Lounge on the evening of October 8, 1998, for a karaoke night. There, he started chatting with two roofing workers – Aaron McKinney and Russell Henderson. The latter two confessed that after learning about Shepard’s sexuality, they pretended to be gay and invited him for a drink.
According to BBC, the duo then took the 21-year-old aboard McKinney’s truck, robbed him of his wallet, keys, and shoes, and beat him. Following this, they drove about a mile out of town to a dirt path in a rocky prairie and tied the victim to a long fence before pistol-whipping him about 19 to 21 times. They also kicked the latter between his legs.


McKinney and Henderson, both around the ages of 21 at the time, left Shepard tied to the fence to die in the near-freezing cold. Eighteen hours later, a biker found the crime scene. He suffered four skull fractures, never regained consciousness, and died five days later, i.e., on October 12, at the Colorado hospital. Police arrested both suspects even before the university student died and charged them with attempted murder, which changed to first-degree murder, among other charges. Henderson pleaded guilty and received two consecutive life sentences. Meanwhile, McKinney stood trial in 1999 in the highly-publicized case. A jury subsequently found him guilty. Following this, he was sentenced to two consecutive life terms in prison without parole.

MSN

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