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Something for you to chew on from a "factually challenged"trucker.Do you notice anything in that graph that you disagree with?:2wave:

Spoken like a true believer in liberal socialism where spending doesn't matter nearly as much as taking someone else's money. I will buy your chart when you you admit that you keeping more of your money is an expense to the govt? Notice how liberals are good at posting PROJECTED numbers and never talk about actual numbers. Projected Revenue, Projected Budget surplus that Clinton left Bush, and then there are SAVED jobs.

Tell me how much those 15 million unemployed Americans are paying in taxes? Then explain actual tax payments by class?

The top 1% of wage earners make 20% of all income and pay 38% of all taxes.
The top 5% of wage earners make 34.7% of all income and pay 58.7% of all taxes.
The top 10% of wage earners make 45.8% of all income and pay 69.9% of all taxes.

The bottom 50% make 12.8% of all income and pay 2.7% of all taxes.

Currently approximately 47% of all Americans pay nothing and actually get money back making their tax rate negative.


So, Obama supporter tell us exactly what is the fair share that you believe the rich should pay since paying most of the taxes now isn't enough.
 
To The Editor: A May 4 letter expresses the opinion that our financial "Armageddon" is of President Obama's own making. Here are the facts, obtained from a Google search of information originating from official government sources such as the Office of Budget and Management: When Ronald Reagan took office in 1980, the federal debt was $0.9 trillion. At the end of his two terms and the senior Bush's term, the debt stood at $4.2 trillion, an increase of $3.3 trillion. In contrast, under Bill Clinton the debt increased by $1.6 trillion, less than half the increase under his predecessors. But the prize winner for debt increase was George W. Bush. During his two terms the debt rose by $4.9 trillion, from $5.7 trillion to $10.6 trillion - an astounding 86 percent increase. That increase was due to three Bush administration policies and actions: tax cuts for the wealthy; the recession that began under his watch; and two wars which Bush paid for in no small measure by borrowing from the Chinese government. Democratic congresses cannot be blamed for Bush's sorrowful record. Republicans controlled the House for six of Bush's eight years and the Senate for four of six years. They effectively controlled the Senate for the remaining two years, when it was split 50/50 but Vice President Cheney could - and did - cast the deciding vote in case of a tie Senate vote. To summarize: When Ronald Reagan took office, the debt was $0.9 trillion; when George W. Bush left office, the debt was $10.6 trillion. Eeighty-four percent of the increase was created during the presidencies of Republicans Reagan and the two Bushes. A look at the spending habits of the administrations preceding Obama's reveals the same picture. Under Reagan, federal spending increased 14.5 percent in his first term and 7.4 percent in his second. For George H.W. Bush, the increase was 7.8 percent. Clinton's administration was the most frugal - 4.3 percent and 8.1 percent. And the prize winner again, George W. Bush: 18.9 percent and 13.3 percent. Of the four presidents, only Clinton transformed an inherited budget deficit into a surplus. The author of the May 4 letter decries Obama's "demand" that the debt ceiling be raised. Was he equally critical of George W. Bush's "demands" to raise the ceiling? During his eight years in office, the ceiling was raised no fewer than seven times. The November election results are a mandate to cut federal spending, say the author and others. Public opinion polls cast doubt on that assessment. When asked to make the difficult choices about which specific government programs to cut, majorities of poll respondents consistently oppose cuts to most programs, including Medicare and Social Security. Medicare, for example, repeatedly enjoys the support of 80 percent or more of those polled. Americans emphatically reject the author's characterization of Social Security and Medicare as socialized "cradle to grave security." That's why George W. Bush had to abandon his plan to privatize Social Security. And now congressional Republicans have given up their effort to privatize Medicare. During Obama's two and one-half years in office, the debt has risen by $3.7 trillion. But it is critical to an understanding of our perilous situation to recognize that the entire increase cannot be blamed on Obama administration policies and priorities. Roughly $1 trillion of that increase is interest on the $10.6 trillion debt when George W. Bush left office. And a significant portion of the increase is the result of the continuing impact of Bush's irresponsible economic policies. In short, blaming our economic crisis entirely on the Obama administration is grossly unfair, irresponsible, and inaccurate. Obama inherited 75 percent of the current debt. And of the increase under his tenure, half or more is reasonably attributable to his predecessors. JAMES DAVIS Avalon
https://www.capemaycountyherald.com/article/73012-obama+inherited+75+current+debt
 
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Something for you to chew on from a "factually challenged"trucker.Do you notice anything in that graph that you disagree with?:2wave:

Dude, none of this matters.

Nothing will change someone hell bent of defending their opinions like a village against Atilla the Hun.

You can put up every single graph, chart, table, diagram and model explaining everything in every way possible. If they have no intention of discussing something intelligently, if they have no intention of trying to gain a wider perspective, if they are hear to lecture and not debate, I ask you: WHAT IS THE POINT?
 
To The Editor: A May 4 letter expresses the opinion that our financial "Armageddon" is of President Obama's own making. Here are the facts, obtained from a Google search of information originating from official government sources such as the Office of Budget and Management: When Ronald Reagan took office in 1980, the federal debt was $0.9 trillion. At the end of his two terms and the senior Bush's term, the debt stood at $4.2 trillion, an increase of $3.3 trillion. In contrast, under Bill Clinton the debt increased by $1.6 trillion, less than half the increase under his predecessors. But the prize winner for debt increase was George W. Bush. During his two terms the debt rose by $4.9 trillion, from $5.7 trillion to $10.6 trillion - an astounding 86 percent increase. That increase was due to three Bush administration policies and actions: tax cuts for the wealthy; the recession that began under his watch; and two wars which Bush paid for in no small measure by borrowing from the Chinese government. Democratic congresses cannot be blamed for Bush's sorrowful record. Republicans controlled the House for six of Bush's eight years and the Senate for four of six years. They effectively controlled the Senate for the remaining two years, when it was split 50/50 but Vice President Cheney could - and did - cast the deciding vote in case of a tie Senate vote. To summarize: When Ronald Reagan took office, the debt was $0.9 trillion; when George W. Bush left office, the debt was $10.6 trillion. Eeighty-four percent of the increase was created during the presidencies of Republicans Reagan and the two Bushes. A look at the spending habits of the administrations preceding Obama's reveals the same picture. Under Reagan, federal spending increased 14.5 percent in his first term and 7.4 percent in his second. For George H.W. Bush, the increase was 7.8 percent. Clinton's administration was the most frugal - 4.3 percent and 8.1 percent. And the prize winner again, George W. Bush: 18.9 percent and 13.3 percent. Of the four presidents, only Clinton transformed an inherited budget deficit into a surplus. The author of the May 4 letter decries Obama's "demand" that the debt ceiling be raised. Was he equally critical of George W. Bush's "demands" to raise the ceiling? During his eight years in office, the ceiling was raised no fewer than seven times. The November election results are a mandate to cut federal spending, say the author and others. Public opinion polls cast doubt on that assessment. When asked to make the difficult choices about which specific government programs to cut, majorities of poll respondents consistently oppose cuts to most programs, including Medicare and Social Security. Medicare, for example, repeatedly enjoys the support of 80 percent or more of those polled. Americans emphatically reject the author's characterization of Social Security and Medicare as socialized "cradle to grave security." That's why George W. Bush had to abandon his plan to privatize Social Security. And now congressional Republicans have given up their effort to privatize Medicare. During Obama's two and one-half years in office, the debt has risen by $3.7 trillion. But it is critical to an understanding of our perilous situation to recognize that the entire increase cannot be blamed on Obama administration policies and priorities. Roughly $1 trillion of that increase is interest on the $10.6 trillion debt when George W. Bush left office. And a significant portion of the increase is the result of the continuing impact of Bush's irresponsible economic policies. In short, blaming our economic crisis entirely on the Obama administration is grossly unfair, irresponsible, and inaccurate. Obama inherited 75 percent of the current debt. And of the increase under his tenure, half or more is reasonably attributable to his predecessors. JAMES DAVIS Avalon
https://www.capemaycountyherald.com/article/73012-obama+inherited+75+current+debt

Great then you won't have any problem telling me how Bush is responsible for the 350 billion TARP money Bush left Obama to spend, the 800 billion stimulus plan in 2009 and the Afghanistan supplemental? Then tell me where the repayment of TARP went since most of it has been repaid.
 
Dude, none of this matters.

Nothing will change someone hell bent of defending their opinions like a village against Atilla the Hun.

You can put up every single graph, chart, table, diagram and model explaining everything in every way possible. If they have no intention of discussing something intelligently, if they have no intention of trying to gain a wider perspective, if they are hear to lecture and not debate, I ask you: WHAT IS THE POINT?

How about explaining the chart to me then. What dose PROJECTED mean and how is projected actual? Any idea how much the unemployed pay in taxes and are the unemployed accounted for in that chart?

You want badly to believe what you are told so I challenge you, post what ever actual data you want and let's compare the Obama results to what he inherited. Projected graphs mean nothing because not one liberal can predict human behavior. Keep up that cheerleading and keep drinking that kool-aid
 
Great then you won't have any problem telling me how Bush is responsible for the 350 billion TARP money Bush left Obama to spend, the 800 billion stimulus plan in 2009 and the Afghanistan supplemental? Then tell me where the repayment of TARP went since most of it has been repaid.


If your so smart answer your own questions. I'm just showing you the record.:popcorn:
 
If your so smart answer your own questions. I'm just showing you the record.:popcorn:

You are showing me a letter to the editor that you pass off as factual. Would you accept a letter to the editor telling you how great Bush was because I have seen them. Facts matter not opinions. Projected numbers mean nothing so answer the question and show me that you are smarter than you appear. Bush left Obama 350 billion of the TARP fund to spend, Bush had nothing to do with the Stimulus plan nor the Afghanistan Surge much of whcih as spent in 2009 so how is he responsible for that spending?
 
Dude, none of this matters.

Nothing will change someone hell bent of defending their opinions like a village against Atilla the Hun.

You can put up every single graph, chart, table, diagram and model explaining everything in every way possible. If they have no intention of discussing something intelligently, if they have no intention of trying to gain a wider perspective, if they are hear to lecture and not debate, I ask you: WHAT IS THE POINT?


I always do this on slow weekends...kinda takes the place of mild self-flagellation for perceived sins of the past week.Closely followed by some captain sigs northwestern ale.:mrgreen:

Rogue Ales
 
Then pick it apart oh genius one!

That is how things work on a DEBATE board.

Why? it doesn't matter because you will ignore it. I will however give you an example. Why did the writer combine Reagan and Bush 1 and compare that with Clinton? Why did you ignore the cost of 9/11 and Katrina with Biush and then ignore completely the items I gave you, that OBama spent in 2009?
 
Why? it doesn't matter because you will ignore it.

Maybe maybe not

I will however give you an example. Why did the writer combine Reagan and Bush 1 and compare that with Clinton? Why did you ignore the cost of 9/11 and Katrina with Biush and then ignore completely the items I gave you, that OBama spent in 2009?

Wait I thought you just said you weren't going to pick it apart Make up your mind man!:lamo
 
I always do this on slow weekends...kinda takes the place of mild self-flagellation for perceived sins of the past week.Closely followed by some captain sigs northwestern ale.:mrgreen:

Rogue Ales

And what I do almost daily is make liberal cheerleaders look foolish. Obama took office with the deck stacked, overwhelming support in Congress which gave him a free pass to implement his agenda. Now we have those results and you ignore them
 
How about explaining the chart to me then. What dose PROJECTED mean and how is projected actual? Any idea how much the unemployed pay in taxes and are the unemployed accounted for in that chart?

You want badly to believe what you are told so I challenge you, post what ever actual data you want and let's compare the Obama results to what he inherited. Projected graphs mean nothing because not one liberal can predict human behavior. Keep up that cheerleading and keep drinking that kool-aid

Are you disputing that graph?
 
NO,the chart is pretty the data is a lie.

You are saying everything that happened was Obamas fault but your not taking into account that the deficit for fiscal year 2009 was $1.4 trillion,10 percent of GDP.Which the chart clearly shows.
 
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You are saying everything that happened was Obamas fault but your not taking into account that the deficit for fiscal year 2009 was $1.4 trillion,10 percent of GDP.Which the chart clearly shows.

I am saying that projected data isn't worth much more than the paper it is written on. The facts speak for themselves. Obama had the deck stacked for him with total control of the Congress including a filibuster proof Senate and a few RINO's so his agenda was passed and the results are there for all to see. You choose to ignore them. Obama is responsible for spending over a trillion dollars on a stimulus program that led to higher unemployment, low economic growth, and added 4 trillion to the debt. You seem proud of that record.
 
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I am saying that projected data isn't worth much more than the paper it is written on.

You keep yapping at that “Obama is responsible for spending over a trillion dollars”yet you ignore that fiscal 09, which began more than three months before Obama’s inauguration — was $1.4 trillion, 10 percent of GDP.

IN 2010 it was $1.3 trillion, almost 9 percent of GDP, by doggies gasp, gag, the 2010 was slightly lower. Imagine that conservative is wrong yet again.:shock:

The Bush tax cuts, the deficit-financed wars, the worst recession since the Hoover depression yet you continue to blame Obama for attempting to fix what he inherited.

Oh,oh I almost forgot, the above figures are not projected.:2wave:


Obama is responsible for spending over a trillion dollars on a stimulus program that led to higher unemployment, low economic growth, and added 4 trillion to the debt.


Kinda looks like you’re in your usual state of denial. We now have a functional banking system (screwing us daily). We also have an American Auto Industry, with its 1.4 million jobs saved in 2009 alone, plus there is a pretty good chance that the gov will make a few bucks on the LOANS they made to the industry.
 
I am saying that projected data isn't worth much more than the paper it is written on. The facts speak for themselves. Obama had the deck stacked for him with total control of the Congress including a filibuster proof Senate and a few RINO's so his agenda was passed and the results are there for all to see. You choose to ignore them. Obama is responsible for spending over a trillion dollars on a stimulus program that led to higher unemployment, low economic growth, and added 4 trillion to the debt. You seem proud of that record.

Let me try to explain it to you one more time, it does not matter who is in office the damage was done before President Obama took office, we are experiencing the effects of an emerging global economy, the only way we the USA could have benefited from it was if the countries that were entering the market had higher manufacturing costs then the USA had. You can’t bring 2.5 billion plus people into the economy without seeing a transfer of wealth. Let me try to make it easy for you to understand you have a family of 5 and you bring 5 more into your family, those 5 do not have enough money to survive on their own so the original family will now see a lower standard of living and the new five will now see an increased standard of living

With the present capitalistic government we have our standard of living will continue downward until we can compete with the countries entering the global market. I know you want to blame President Obama but the facts are when you bring 2.5 million people looking for work into the work force and can’t increase the product demand enough to create 2.5 million jobs some body is going to suffer, Since the USA has the higher standard of living supported by higher paying jobs we end up being the people who are going to see our standard of living decrease

You have countries producing products that the people who make the products are not making enough money to buy what they make, Example Chinese workers making 75 cents per hour make Nike Sneakers that sell in the USA for 100 dollars a pair. Consumers in the USA pay for that product not only costing us jobs but sending US dollars to China.

This is a balancing act and it will go on for many years to come, our work opportunities will continue to erode and pay checks will come down eventually the average citizen will not be able to afford to shop at Sears, Macys or any of the high end stores, Wal-Mart will continue to grow and eventually have to lay off employees and cut prices

I will never believe that our government could not have predicted the impact that a global economy would have on our own economy and the American standard of living, the only ones who stand to benefit from this are the ones that have enough wealth to invest in the cheap labor markets made available to them.

The only answer to this is to change our government from a capitalistic to a socialistic type government where the worker has say in the way a company is run and the monies derived from his/her labor can be put back into the company

Now I have been here long enough to predict your response, so save a copy, take a road trip and a lot of pictures of what is like today and in ten years you will be able to look back and see the impact of a global economy on our standard of living

Could we have stopped the global economy from taking place I doubt it but we could have slowed down the process and spread the impact out over a longer period of time.

Now go back and hate President Obama some more it will make you feel better
 
You keep yapping at that “Obama is responsible for spending over a trillion dollars”yet you ignore that fiscal 09, which began more than three months before Obama’s inauguration — was $1.4 trillion, 10 percent of GDP.

IN 2010 it was $1.3 trillion, almost 9 percent of GDP, by doggies gasp, gag, the 2010 was slightly lower. Imagine that conservative is wrong yet again.:shock:

The Bush tax cuts, the deficit-financed wars, the worst recession since the Hoover depression yet you continue to blame Obama for attempting to fix what he inherited.

Oh,oh I almost forgot, the above figures are not projected.:2wave:





Kinda looks like you’re in your usual state of denial. We now have a functional banking system (screwing us daily). We also have an American Auto Industry, with its 1.4 million jobs saved in 2009 alone, plus there is a pretty good chance that the gov will make a few bucks on the LOANS they made to the industry.

It seems a big part of Con's philosophy about Obama is based on the assumption of "all other things are static".
 
simple answer, it isn't the government's money!! The govt. doesn't give taxpayers anything by allowing them to keep more of what they earn.

Oh....I see Con....in your world and in the GOP world.....rich people's money.....THEIR money.....poor people's money......also Rich People's money......middle class money.....Rich people's money.......working class money.....Rich people's money....


Thank you for clearing that up.
 
Hate to break it to you con....but it isn't liberal cheerleaders that you make look foolish daily......

And in your world and the the rest of the dem world my money is everybody elses money too. That's why I just cut out the middle man and started giving half my check to my neighbor...
 
And what I do almost daily is make liberal cheerleaders look foolish. Obama took office with the deck stacked, overwhelming support in Congress which gave him a free pass to implement his agenda. Now we have those results and you ignore them
lol...there are several posters here that beat you like a drum daily.
 
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