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Palestinian Arabs were given the gift of self government, and they've squandered it

No they didn’t. Far fewer Croats than Serbs were arrested, despite comparable atrocities, and UN forces sire didn’t try to stop them from carrying out said atrocities.

You could have bribed Yeltsin into doing just about anything internationally. That’s why the West longs for his time in power

Yeah, it can’t possibly be that even the Russians were opposed to the atrocities being committed by the Serbs and wanted to put the fighting to a stop. They were only there because “America Bad!” bribed them.
 
What a weird thing to point out if you're trying to justify murdering random innocent Palestinians, lol.
Where do you get the idea that there's any justification of that in my posts?

Hey, you know what might help more Palestinians learn about such things? Functioning infrastructure, journalism, internet access, etc.
I do believe that this has been tried, the food being confiscated by Hamas to feed their terrorists, and the monies redirected to building terror tunnels, buying weapons, brand new SUVs for Hamas, and supporting continued Hamas anti-Semitic indoctrination of the Palestinian children.

I take it that this is what you want to continue?

Insanity Is Doing the Same Thing Over and Over Again and Expecting Different Results​
 
Yeah, it can’t possibly be that even the Russians were opposed to the atrocities being committed by the Serbs and wanted to put the fighting to a stop. They were only there because “America Bad!” bribed them.
Given how colossally corrupt Yeltsin’s entire system was, the latter is far more likely, yes.
 
What? The Israelis haven't focused on attacking another country for 70 years and have built a first world nation. That's indisputable. The Palestinians have done absolutely nothing to improve their situation outside of war. That was more the point.

Besides, the majority of US aid to Isreal has always been military rather than economic, and I wonder why.....
tharock220:

Your knowledge of history is lacking. Given your arbitrary time window of 70 years, the State of Israel has focused on attacking other countries in spades.

1956 - Invading Egypt during the Suez Crisis.
1964 -1967 The Water War.
1966 - Regimental sized attacks into Jordan's West Bank.
1967 - Attacking Egypt, Syria and Jordan in the Six Day War and the State of Israel lying to the world about it until they were caught in the lie.
1967 - 1970 The Attrition War.
1968 - Operation Gift attacking and destroying 13 Lebanese airliners on the ground near Beirut.
1969 - The Cherbourg missile boat theft against France by the Israeli military of embargoed weapons - 5 missile boats.
1976 - Israeli military attack on Uganda to rescue hostages taken by Palestinian (PLFP) hijackers on an Air France airliner which had departed from Israel. Benyamin Netanyahu's older brother Yonatan was killed commanding this IDF Sayeret Matkal raid on Uganda.
1978 - Invasion of Lebanon.
1980 - Attacking the Osirak Nuclear Reactor in Iraq.
1982 - 2000 Invasion and occupation of Southern Lebanon.
2006 - Invasion of Lebanon.
2010 - Attacking a Turkish relief ship enroute to deliver humanitarian supplies to Gaza on the high seas.
2011 - the present Attacking Syria and Iranian Embassy in Syria and seizing more of the Golan heights in 2024.
2024 - Attacking Iran.
2025 - Allegedly using drones to attack a relief ship near Malta trying to deliver humanitarian supplies to Gaza.

These are just some of the military actions focused on foreign powers which the State of Israel has conducted against foreign powers over the last 70 years. It is clear that you are attempting to rewrite more history than you have read. Do better.
Evilroddy.
 
tharock220:

Your knowledge of history is lacking. Given your arbitrary time window of 70 years, the State of Israel has focused on attacking other countries in spades.

1956 - Invading Egypt during the Suez Crisis.
1964 -1967 The Water War.
1966 - Regimental sized attacks into Jordan's West Bank.
1967 - Attacking Egypt, Syria and Jordan in the Six Day War and the State of Israel lying to the world about it until they were caught in the lie.
1967 - 1970 The Attrition War.
1968 - Operation Gift attacking and destroying 13 Lebanese airliners on the ground near Beirut.
1969 - The Cherbourg missile boat theft against France by the Israeli military of embargoed weapons - 5 missile boats.
1976 - Israeli military attack on Uganda to rescue hostages taken by Palestinian (PLFP) hijackers on an Air France airliner which had departed from Israel. Benyamin Netanyahu's older brother Yonatan was killed commanding this IDF Sayeret Matkal raid on Uganda.
1978 - Invasion of Lebanon.
1980 - Attacking the Osirak Nuclear Reactor in Iraq.
1982 - 2000 Invasion and occupation of Southern Lebanon.
2006 - Invasion of Lebanon.
2010 - Attacking a Turkish relief ship enroute to deliver humanitarian supplies to Gaza on the high seas.
2011 - the present Attacking Syria and Iranian Embassy in Syria and seizing more of the Golan heights in 2024.
2024 - Attacking Iran.
2025 - Allegedly using drones to attack a relief ship near Malta trying to deliver humanitarian supplies to Gaza.

These are just some of the military actions focused on foreign powers which the State of Israel has conducted against foreign powers over the last 70 years. It is clear that you are attempting to rewrite more history than you have read. Do better.
Evilroddy.
You couldnt do a better job of illustrating the bigoted Jew hatred commonly expressed on this site.

EVERY SINGLE ONE of those things you cite as 'Israel attacking other countries" was predicated by deliberate terrorist attacks against Israelis. But then...why would you shine the light on terrorist attacks you approve of and the murder of Israeli men, women, and children if they are going to make your arguments look like shit...amiright?

For example....
"1978 - Invasion of Lebanon"

in response to the Coastal Road massacre near Tel Aviv by Palestinian militants based in Lebanon.

The coastal road massacre occurred on 11 March 1978, when Palestinian militants hijacked a bus on the Coastal Highway of Israel and murdered its occupants; 38 Israeli civilians, including 13 children, were killed as a result of the attack while 76 more were wounded.The attack was planned by the influential Palestinian militant leader Khalil al-Wazir (aka Abu Jihad) and carried out by Fatah, a Palestinian nationalist party co-founded by al-Wazir and Yasser Arafat in 1959.
 
That tends to happen when you attack a sovereign nation and take hostages.
When you allow terrorists to run things, this is what happens. These are people that can't control themselves or their emotions 🤔(sounds familiar), and choose to live in rubble instead, using the civilians as shields. It's a vicious unbreakable cycle apparently.
 
When you allow terrorists to run things, this is what happens. These are people that can't control themselves or their emotions 🤔(sounds familiar), and choose to live in rubble instead, using the civilians as shields. It's a vicious unbreakable cycle apparently.
Israel makes extensive use of human shields, as its own soldiers admitted, and has repeatedly chosen terrorists to lead them.

The pretense that “Palestinians can’t control themselves or their emotions” is deeply ignorant, btw.
 
Israel makes extensive use of human shields, as its own soldiers admitted, and has repeatedly chosen terrorists to lead them.

The pretense that “Palestinians can’t control themselves or their emotions” is deeply ignorant, btw.
Yet it keeps happening. They eventually choose rubble every time. A terrorist organization is not a proper government, and don't think that statement is lost on me concerning the current government of the United States.
 
Yet it keeps happening. They eventually choose rubble every time. A terrorist organization is not a proper government, and don't think that statement is lost on me concerning the current government of the United States.
Israel indeed keeps on murdering vast numbers of innocent civilians and colonizing Palestinian land, yes. Cries about “terrorism” are meaningless given Israel used near identical tactics to gain their own independence
 
Given how colossally corrupt Yeltsin’s entire system was, the latter is far more likely, yes.

Yeah, the Russians had no agency in their decisions at all. Just evil America forcing them to send peacekeeper forces.
 
You couldnt do a better job of illustrating the bigoted Jew hatred commonly expressed on this site.

EVERY SINGLE ONE of those things you cite as 'Israel attacking other countries" was predicated by deliberate terrorist attacks against Israelis. But then...why would you shine the light on terrorist attacks you approve of and the murder of Israeli men, women, and children if they are going to make your arguments look like shit...amiright?

For example....
"1978 - Invasion of Lebanon"

in response to the Coastal Road massacre near Tel Aviv by Palestinian militants based in Lebanon.

The coastal road massacre occurred on 11 March 1978, when Palestinian militants hijacked a bus on the Coastal Highway of Israel and murdered its occupants; 38 Israeli civilians, including 13 children, were killed as a result of the attack while 76 more were wounded.The attack was planned by the influential Palestinian militant leader Khalil al-Wazir (aka Abu Jihad) and carried out by Fatah, a Palestinian nationalist party co-founded by al-Wazir and Yasser Arafat in 1959.
Indeed. I was reading through that list from @Evilroddy and the one liner's and concluded that it was usual stilted to the left, out of context, 1/2 truths.
 
Yeah, the Russians had no agency in their decisions at all. Just evil America forcing them to send peacekeeper forces.
Anyone denying the spectacular corruption and instability in Russia as a result of the Western promoted “shock therapy”, and its role in the country’s decision making in the years which discredited democracy to many Russians— (which made the Great Depression in the US decades earlier look almost mild in comparison, btw)— is deeply historically ignorant.
 
Anyone denying the spectacular corruption and instability in Russia as a result of the Western promoted “shock therapy”, and its role in the country’s decision making in the years which discredited democracy to many Russians— (which made the Great Depression in the US decades earlier look almost mild in comparison, btw)— is deeply historically ignorant.

And Russians opposed sending peacekeeping forces to Yugoslavia?
 
You couldnt do a better job of illustrating the bigoted Jew hatred commonly expressed on this site.

EVERY SINGLE ONE of those things you cite as 'Israel attacking other countries" was predicated by deliberate terrorist attacks against Israelis. But then...why would you shine the light on terrorist attacks you approve of and the murder of Israeli men, women, and children if they are going to make your arguments look like shit...amiright?

For example....
"1978 - Invasion of Lebanon"

in response to the Coastal Road massacre near Tel Aviv by Palestinian militants based in Lebanon.

The coastal road massacre occurred on 11 March 1978, when Palestinian militants hijacked a bus on the Coastal Highway of Israel and murdered its occupants; 38 Israeli civilians, including 13 children, were killed as a result of the attack while 76 more were wounded.The attack was planned by the influential Palestinian militant leader Khalil al-Wazir (aka Abu Jihad) and carried out by Fatah, a Palestinian nationalist party co-founded by al-Wazir and Yasser Arafat in 1959.
VanceMack:

Your own words:
EVERY SINGLE ONE of those things you cite as 'Israel attacking other countries" was predicated by deliberate terrorist attacks against Israelis.

Defend your indefensible assertion.

What terroristic act spurred the State of Israel, France and Britain to conspire to attack the Suez Canal zone and Sinai I wonder?
What terroristic act spurred the State of Israel to bomb water projects in Syria and Jordan during the Water War?
What terroristic act spurred the State of Israel to destroy 13 commercial passenger airplanes on the ground near Beirut?
What terroristic act spurred the State of Israel to attack France and steal five French made missile boats which were under embargo because the State of Israel started the Six Day War?
What terroristic act spurred the State of Israel to attack the Osirak Nuclear Reactor in Iraq?
What terroristic act spurred the State of Israel to attack a Turkish humanitarian aid ship on the high seas in 2010 and to allegedly attack another humanitarian aid ship this this year near Malta?

The post which you attacked was made to @tharock220 who, like you made an indefensible statement and unlike you, made many historically incorrect assertions, but mainly and namely tharock220 said:

What? The Israelis haven't focused on attacking another country for 70 years and have built a first world nation. That's indisputable.
That was the context in which my rebuttal was made to @tharock220

Be well and be safe.
Evilroddy.
 
Indeed. I was reading through that list from @Evilroddy and the one liner's and concluded that it was usual stilted to the left, out of context, 1/2 truths.
eorhnberger:

That was a list of attacks by the State of Israel on foreign states, nothing more. It was made to refute the incorrect assertions made by @tharock220 and was not intended to explain why these attacks were made.

I get quite tired of being expected to follow the Palestine militants can do no right and the State of Israel can do no wrong catechisms which are expected to be constantly voiced with each post by some when discussing matters in this subforum. Both sides have the blood of innocents on their hands and both sides are doing atrocities in pursuit of their own interests. The State of Israel has the right to defend itself by directly and selectively attacking Palestinian militants but is not entitled to use mass denial of vital resources from civilians, mass de-housing of civilians, wholesale attacking of doctors, nurses and hospitals to destroy all medical infrastructure for civilians and using both indiscriminate and targeted killings of civilians. Likewise Palestinian militants have a right to defend occupied Palestine by attacking military personnel and paramilitary personnel, military and Israeli state infrastructure but not civilians and their homes intentionally or by error. Remember Gaza, The West Bank and East Jerusalem are militarily occupied territories seized by the State of Israel in the Six Day War which the State of Israel chose to start in June of 1967. That puts a duty to protect on the State of Israel with respect to civilians in the occupied territories so it cannot commit mass slaughter of civilians by the tens of thousands with impunity.

Imagine if you will what you and the world would say if the British in control of the Mandate of Palestine had responded to Jewish terrorism with such scope and intensity? Would you be supportive of the British Empire ghettoing, sieging, starving and bombing the Jews of Palestine in the same way that the Modern State of Israel is doing to Gazan Palestinians?

Be well and be safe.
Evilroddy.
 
What terroristic act spurred the State of Israel to destroy 13 commercial passenger airplanes on the ground near Beirut?

Evilroddy.
"in retaliation for the attack on the Israeli Airliner El Al Flight 253 two days earlier and the hijacking of El Al Flight 426 five months earlier, both by the Lebanon and Syria-based Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine"

I'm not going to bother going through line by line with you because BOTH random incidents you cited that I looked up are proved to be Israeli responses to terrorist attacks...and of course you would know that if you weren't interested in JUST posting your Jew hatred and bigotry.
 
"in retaliation for the attack on the Israeli Airliner El Al Flight 253 two days earlier and the hijacking of El Al Flight 426 five months earlier, both by the Lebanon and Syria-based Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine"

I'm not going to bother going through line by line with you because BOTH random incidents you cited that I looked up are proved to be Israeli responses to terrorist attacks...and of course you would know that if you weren't interested in JUST posting your Jew hatred and bigotry.
VanceMack:

The involved parties were Palestinians, Italians, Algerians, Libyans, Americans and Greeks and Israelis. The Lebanese had nothing to do with either of the attacks. Since you're of quoting Wikipedia, so will I on this occasion.

Two days after the attack, Israel raided the Beirut International Airport, destroying 12 (or possibly 13) Lebanese passenger airplanes. The attack drew a sharp rebuke from the US, who stated that nothing suggested that the Lebanese authorities had anything to do with the El Al attack.[5]


Lebanon was not involved but the State of Israel attacked anyway. That begs the question was the attack connected to terrorism or simply opportunistic pretext by the State of Israel to attack Lebanon anyway? Learn more about what you are talking about before actually talking about what you are talking about. Do a little homework first.

Be well and be safe/
Evilroddy.
 
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eorhnberger:

That was a list of attacks by the State of Israel on foreign states, nothing more. It was made to refute the incorrect assertions made by @tharock220 and was not intended to explain why these attacks were made.

I get quite tired of being expected to follow the Palestine militants can do no right and the State of Israel can do no wrong catechisms which are expected to be constantly voiced with each post by some when discussing matters in this subforum.
I get quite tired of the view that Palestine militants can do no wrong and the State of Israel can do no 'right', always blaming everything on Israel and that Palestine militants are innocent bystanders.

Both sides have the blood of innocents on their hands and both sides are doing atrocities in pursuit of their own interests. The State of Israel has the right to defend itself by directly and selectively attacking Palestinian militants but is not entitled to use mass denial of vital resources from civilians, mass de-housing of civilians, wholesale attacking of doctors, nurses and hospitals to destroy all medical infrastructure for civilians and using both indiscriminate and targeted killings of civilians.
You do realize that the Palestine militants build their terrorist tunnels and command centers specifically near, or under, hospitals and medical infrastructure sites BECAUSE they know Israel hesitates to militarily attack those sites?

Likewise Palestinian militants have a right to defend occupied Palestine by attacking military personnel and paramilitary personnel, military and Israeli state infrastructure but not civilians and their homes intentionally or by error. Remember Gaza, The West Bank and East Jerusalem are militarily occupied territories seized by the State of Israel in the Six Day War which the State of Israel chose to start in June of 1967. That puts a duty to protect on the State of Israel with respect to civilians in the occupied territories so it cannot commit mass slaughter of civilians by the tens of thousands with impunity.
See previous posts of Hamas' indoctrination of children into a culture of terrorism against Israelis, their paying the families of suicide bomber and terrorists and elevating terrorists to the status of martyrs, essentially making Palestinians paid for militia for their war of terrorism.

Imagine if you will what you and the world would say if the British in control of the Mandate of Palestine had responded to Jewish terrorism with such scope and intensity? Would you be supportive of the British Empire ghettoing, sieging, starving and bombing the Jews of Palestine in the same way that the Modern State of Israel is doing to Gazan Palestinians?

Be well and be safe.
Evilroddy.
 
I get quite tired of the view that Palestine militants can do no wrong and the State of Israel can do no 'right', always blaming everything on Israel and that Palestine militants are innocent bystanders.

I get tired of the IDF targeting women, children, doctors, humanitarian aid workers under the pretense of combating terrorism. Especially when combined with rhetoric from Israeli leaders which fully endorses targeting of all of these groups.
 
VanceMack:

The involved parties were Palestinians, Italians, Algerians, Libyans, Americans and Greeks and Israelis. The Lebanese had nothing to do with either of the attacks. Since you're of quoting Wikipedia, so will I on this occasion.




Lebanon was not involved but the State of Israel attacked anyway. That begs the question was the attack connected to terrorism or simply opportunistic pretext by the State of Israel to attack Lebanon anyway? Learn more about what you are talking about before actually talking about what you are talking about. Do a little homework first.

Be well and be safe/
Evilroddy.
Harbor terrorists who launch attacks from within your country and you get consequences. Fact remains...you shit yourself over "the Jews"...and never say a ****ing word about anything that precedes the response...but as we all know...its because you are HAPPY that Jews are killed. Good terrorists!!!! BAD Jews for striking back..........
 
I get tired of the IDF targeting women, children, doctors, humanitarian aid workers under the pretense of combating terrorism.
I think you are really tied of trying to defend terrorists which put the weapons and command centers on the tops of schools and under hospitals, or at least you should be tired of it.

Especially when combined with rhetoric from Israeli leaders which fully endorses targeting of all of these groups.
The target is always militant terrorists, not 'women, children, doctors, humanitarian aid workers', but the terrorists who are using them as human shields.
 
I get quite tired of the view that Palestine militants can do no wrong and the State of Israel can do no 'right', always blaming everything on Israel and that Palestine militants are innocent bystanders.
I have never said either of those things. The attacks by Palestinian militants on Oct. 7th, 2023 against civilians were monstrous atrocities and war crimes which the militants must be held responsible for. Kill or capture and then try the militants and mete out appropriate justice but do not do the same thing to the civilian population caught in the crossfire. Targeting militants with accurate strikes which minimise civilian deaths and woundings as a side effect is fine by me. But implementing food denial to induce starvation, serious malnutrition, implementing a widespread de-housing policy, undertaking the widespread destruction of civilian infrastructure, destruction of schools and hospitals full of civilians (and possibly some militants) without regard for civilian deaths and denying potable water to the whole population are not the way to do this. But then the moto of this war was given by Netanyahu himself - "Amalek!" - the biblical genocide of the Amalekites by the early Hebrews over land.
You do realize that the Palestine militants build their terrorist tunnels and command centers specifically near, or under, hospitals and medical infrastructure sites BECAUSE they know Israel hesitates to militarily attack those sites?
Well the militants were dead wrong because the State of Israel has not hesitated at all. In fact they have out sourced their targeting decisions in part to an AI system called Lavender which does not have human morality and which has systematically targeted hospitals, schools, water desalinastion and purification plants, etc. The Lavender AI targeting system targets low-level militants as well as high-value targets and allows for high civilian deaths no matter how high or low the priority of the targeted militant(s) is/are.

I don't know if you have ever been to Gaza as I have but just about everything in Gaza is near such civilian targets.


See previous posts of Hamas' indoctrination of children into a culture of terrorism against Israelis, their paying the families of suicide bomber and terrorists and elevating terrorists to the status of martyrs, essentially making Palestinians paid for militia for their war of terrorism.
So indoctrinated children who are not taking up arms are a legitimate target in your opinion? Does that hold for indoctrinated Israeli children too? That is a dangerous bit of reasoning which is leading to war crimes, crimes against humanity, collective punishment of a whole population and now arguably genocide.

I noticed you dodged the question about how the world would have reacted if the British Empire had treated pre-Modern State of Israel Jewish terrorists and the Jewish civilians around them with the same high intensity and broad spectrum of violence that the present State of Israel is meting out to the Palestinian militants and the Palestinian civilians around them? That was telling to me.

Be well and be safe.
Evilroddy.
 
Harbor terrorists who launch attacks from within your country and you get consequences. Fact remains...you shit yourself over "the Jews"...and never say a ****ing word about anything that precedes the response...but as we all know...its because you are HAPPY that Jews are killed. Good terrorists!!!! BAD Jews for striking back..........
You have no idea what you're talking about. I have condemned the attacks of Palestinian militants even before the Oct 7th attacks and support their killing or capture and trials for the fates they deserve (if found guilty). I have advised abandoning violent resistance in favour of non-violent resistance which harms the Israeli economy and reputation. I do not hate Jews at all. I am criticising the State of Israel's policies and that state's reliance on high-intensity and broad-spectrum violence against civilians.

But what does that matter to a poster who is fact-averse and who thrives on anger and hate. You really have no idea about this long conflict nor any idea about how to lessen the violence and begin building the foundations of peace. To you it;s just Fight Night with 1000 kg bombs, Apache helicopters, drones, artillery, Tanks and unmanned bulldozers killing and burying people alive. Your position it seems is barbaric and your debate skills are wanting.

Evilroddy.
 
You have no idea what you're talking about. I have condemned the attacks of Palestinian militants even before the Oct 7th attacks and support their killing or capture and trials for the fates they deserve (if found guilty). I have advised abandoning violent resistance in favour of non-violent resistance which harms the Israeli economy and reputation. I do not hate Jews at all. I am criticising the State of Israel's policies and that state's reliance on high-intensity and broad-spectrum violence against civilians.

But what does that matter to a poster who is fact-averse and who thrives on anger and hate. You really have no idea about this long conflict nor any idea about how to lessen the violence and begin building the foundations of peace. To you it;s just Fight Night with 1000 kg bombs, Apache helicopters, drones, artillery, Tanks and unmanned bulldozers killing and burying people alive. Your position it seems is barbaric and your debate skills are wanting.

Evilroddy.
Oh...everyone knows what I'm talking about...and they know what you are about as well. You eagerly trotted out your little list of anti-Jewish incidents giving no concern to any of the incidents that triggered them.
And why should you. It wouldn't serve the expression of Jew hating bigotry you were intent on putting on display.
 
I have never said either of those things. The attacks by Palestinian militants on Oct. 7th, 2023 against civilians were monstrous atrocities and war crimes which the militants must be held responsible for.

Kill or capture and then try the militants and mete out appropriate justice but do not do the same thing to the civilian population caught in the crossfire.
Nice in theory. Problem is that the militant terrorists purposefully hide among the civilian population, as their weapons on top of schools, tunnels and command centers below hospitals attest to.

Targeting militants with accurate strikes which minimise civilian deaths and woundings as a side effect is fine by me. But implementing food denial to induce starvation, serious malnutrition, implementing a widespread de-housing policy, undertaking the widespread destruction of civilian infrastructure, destruction of schools and hospitals full of civilians (and possibly some militants) without regard for civilian deaths and denying potable water to the whole population are not the way to do this.
Again, choosing to ignore that the militant terrorists purposefully hide among the civilian population, as their weapons on top of schools, tunnels and command centers below hospitals attest to.

But then the moto of this war was given by Netanyahu himself - "Amalek!" - the biblical genocide of the Amalekites by the early Hebrews over land.

Well the militants were dead wrong because the State of Israel has not hesitated at all. In fact they have out sourced their targeting decisions in part to an AI system called Lavender which does not have human morality and which has systematically targeted hospitals, schools, water desalinastion and purification plants, etc. The Lavender AI targeting system targets low-level militants as well as high-value targets and allows for high civilian deaths no matter how high or low the priority of the targeted militant(s) is/are.
This sounds like a CT. Do you have any support for this?

I don't know if you have ever been to Gaza as I have but just about everything in Gaza is near such civilian targets.



So indoctrinated children who are not taking up arms are a legitimate target in your opinion?
Seems like you believe that indoctrinated Palestinian children are being specifically targeted.
I'm skeptical that this has any foundation in reality.

Does that hold for indoctrinated Israeli children too?
Is there any evidence that this even exists?

That is a dangerous bit of reasoning which is leading to war crimes, crimes against humanity, collective punishment of a whole population and now arguably genocide.

I noticed you dodged the question about how the world would have reacted if the British Empire had treated pre-Modern State of Israel Jewish terrorists and the Jewish civilians around them with the same high intensity and broad spectrum of violence that the present State of Israel is meting out to the Palestinian militants and the Palestinian civilians around them? That was telling to me.
Its not a doge when its unknowable. Whatever conclusions you've drawn by this 'telling' are yours and yours alone.

Be well and be safe.
Evilroddy.
You Be well and be safe also.
 
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