Palestinian Arabs were given the gift of self government, and they've squandered it

[Tigerace117]

Well, we know where you stand on the issue, right? “From the river to the sea”?

The Lehi declared Arabs to be a “slave race” and got medals for it, so we know where Tel Aviv stands. The mass murder campaigns Israel continues to carry out only further prove it.

 

[Pyrite]

2006. So, would you say that Hamas is a dictatorial government since they haven’t allowed election in 17 years?

Well, they sure as **** supported them after Hamas murdered 1200 Israeli civilians.

Palestinian poll shows a rise in Hamas support and close to 90% wanting US-backed Abbas to resign

The findings signal more difficulties for the Biden administration’s postwar vision for Gaza and raise questions about Israel’s goal of ending Hamas’ capabilities.

apnews.com

Despite the devastation, 57% of respondents in Gaza and 82% in the West Bank believe Hamas was correct in launching the October attack, the poll indicated.

OF COURSE Hamas is a "dictatorial government". Also OF COURSE: Hamas is a terrorist group.

No, there's no way to document that a majority of today's Palestinians in Gaza "supported" Hamas's murderous attacks on October 7, 2023, on that day or immediately thereafter.

However, after nearly 2 months of the Israeli Government's massive retaliation against the Palestinian civilians and the Hamas terrorist group, and after more than 18,000 Palestinian deaths, one cannot reasonably anticipate that Palestinians in Gaza - btw, only 481 in Gaza were polled - would choose the Palestinian Authority over Hamas.

 

[Questerr]

Oh, so you are admitting your talk about KIA was worthless? Good to know.

I made my statement very clear. It has two parts.

 

[Tigerace117]

I made my statement very clear. It has two parts.

And yet you apparently didn’t give a shit about half of it.

 

[Questerr]

And yet you apparently didn’t give a shit about half of it.

Because they can’t be disconnected. I ask you again, how many Americans should to be killed and how many American cities flattened to stop our “objectively bad” country?

 

[Pyrite]

2006. So, would you say that Hamas is a dictatorial government since they haven’t allowed election in 17 years?

Well, they sure as **** supported them after Hamas murdered 1200 Israeli civilians.

Palestinian poll shows a rise in Hamas support and close to 90% wanting US-backed Abbas to resign

The findings signal more difficulties for the Biden administration’s postwar vision for Gaza and raise questions about Israel’s goal of ending Hamas’ capabilities.

apnews.com

Despite the devastation, 57% of respondents in Gaza and 82% in the West Bank believe Hamas was correct in launching the October attack, the poll indicated.

Remember, 481 Palestinians in Gaza were polled AFTER 2 months of IDF bombardment, AFTER more than 18,400 Palestinian civilians (two-thirds of them women and children) had been killed.

Moreover, this excerpt is interesting:

...Shikaki said that Gaza residents are more critical of Hamas than those in the West Bank, that support for Hamas typically spikes during periods of armed conflict before leveling out, and that even now most Palestinians do not back the militant group....

 

[Tigerace117]

Because they can’t be disconnected. I ask you again, how many Americans should to be killed and how many American cities flattened to stop our “objectively bad” country?

KIA can absolutely be separated from civilian infrastructure damage. What are you talking about?

 

[Questerr]

KIA can absolutely be separated from civilian infrastructure damage. What are you talking about?

How do you kill people on the scale of stopping Nazi Germany without infrastructure damage exactly?

 

[Tigerace117]

How do you kill people on the scale of stopping Nazi Germany without infrastructure damage exactly?

You bomb the shit out the panzer columns, for staters.

 

[Dans La Lune]

Those Jews who adopted Zionism after the Holocaust could have used the lessons forged from inhumanity of genocide to show how a people can persevere and meet inhumanity with true humanity. Instead they only learned from the Holocaust that the vicious inhumanity of the Nazism could be adopted to victimize another less powerful group. A true insult to everyone who died and suffered in the Holocaust and held firm on the principles of Judaism as they themselves were victimized. Never Again was supposed to apply to everyone.

What a waste indeed.

 

[Questerr]

You bomb the shit out the panzer columns, for staters.

And when those columns are in American cities? How many of them do you believe should be flattened to stop the “objectively bad” nation of the USA?

Come on, have some conviction. You believe America is evil, you would be able to say how many Americans need to die.

 

[Tigerace117]

And when those columns are in American cities? How many of them do you believe should be flattened to stop the “objectively bad” nation of the USA?

Come on, have some conviction. You believe America is evil, you would be able to say how many Americans need to die.

You were talking about KIA, which is an entirely different category.

Gee dude, are you going to show up to protest the Gestapo when they drag me off to Gitmo?

 

[Questerr]

You were talking about KIA, which is an entirely different category.

Gee dude, are you going to show up to protest the Gestapo when they drag me off to Gitmo?

Yes. Because I oppose Gitmo being open regardless of who is sent there.

 

[VanceMack]

Israel turned over the whole of Gaza with a functioning economy in 2005. Palestinians elected Hamas who immediately turned it to shit, stole the relief and assistance money meant for Palestinians and used them to launch terrorist attacks and launched thousands of terrorist attacks into Israel every week of every month of every year...and all the while...all the leftists that are today peeing themselves in their pretense of concern over Israel and Palestine never said a single ****ing word. Not one. The only time they popped out of their holes was when Israel finally responded to an open declaration of war.

The ONLY reason they pretend to care today is because they are Jew hating bigots.

 

[Variant]

How is Israel allowing self-government in Palestine right now?

Have they ever really allowed such a thing?

 

[Pyrite]

Israel turned over the whole of Gaza with a functioning economy in 2005. Palestinians elected Hamas who immediately turned it to shit, stole the relief and assistance money meant for Palestinians and used them to launch terrorist attacks and launched thousands of terrorist attacks into Israel every week of every month of every year...and all the while...all the leftists that are today peeing themselves in their pretense of concern over Israel and Palestine never said a single ****ing word. Not one. The only time they popped out of their holes was when Israel finally responded to an open declaration of war.

The ONLY reason they pretend to care today is because they are Jew hating bigots.

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The Government of Israel occupied Gaza for decades.

Netanyahu promoted Hamas.

The Israeli Government imposed its crippling blockade, which it continues today.

For the most part, those rockets used by Hamas were unguided. Many ended up in empty fields. The IDF's retaliatory/"Mow the lawn" attacks were made via a modern, state-of-the-art military.

You ignore inconvenient facts. And you end with an emotional attack:

"All the leftists....pretend to care today...because they are Jew hating bigots."

 

[Tigerace117]

Yes. Because I oppose Gitmo being open regardless of who is sent there.

The Democrats refused to close down Gitmo when they were in power.

There is no way to support the American regime and oppose what it is actually doing in practice.

 

[Tigerace117]

Israel turned over the whole of Gaza with a functioning economy in 2005. Palestinians elected Hamas who immediately turned it to shit, stole the relief and assistance money meant for Palestinians and used them to launch terrorist attacks and launched thousands of terrorist attacks into Israel every week of every month of every year...and all the while...all the leftists that are today peeing themselves in their pretense of concern over Israel and Palestine never said a single ****ing word. Not one. The only time they popped out of their holes was when Israel finally responded to an open declaration of war.

The ONLY reason they pretend to care today is because they are Jew hating bigots.

Israel continued colonizing Palestinian land the entire time, so clearly that isn’t remotely true

 

[Questerr]

The Democrats refused to close down Gitmo when they were in power.

There is no way to support the American regime and oppose what it is actually doing in practice.

Am I “the Democrats”?

I called out both Obama and Biden for not closing Gitmo.

 

[Ganondagan]

So if Palestine doesn't do what Israel commands, on Israel's timeline, they get to lose self-government. And the right of self-preservation. Got it.

They can always just start wars and get their a$$es kicked over and over again. How about the Palestinians spend a little money and effort trying to build a country instead of trying to destroy others.

 

[Phys251]

They can always just start wars and get their a$$es kicked over and over again. How about the Palestinians spend a little money and effort trying to build a country instead of trying to destroy others.

What money? Their nation is replete with Israel-induced poverty. You want Palestine to spend money they don't have?

 

[Ganondagan]

What money? Their nation is replete with Israel-induced poverty. You want Palestine to spend money they don't have?

You must be joking. Billions of dollars have been given to the residents of Gaza but the leadership, Hamas, spent it on, guess what...tunnels, rockets, and other war material with which to kill Jews.

 

[Phys251]

You must be joking. Billions of dollars have been given to the residents of Gaza but the leadership, Hamas, spent it on, guess what...tunnels, rockets, and other war material with which to kill Jews.

I'm not talking about your favorite distraction, Hamas. I'm talking about the people of Palestine. Where are the billions that you obviously think they have?

 

[Ganondagan]

I'm not talking about your favorite distraction, Hamas. I'm talking about the people of Palestine. Where are the billions that you obviously think they have?

They don't have it now, Hamas used it to wage war.

 

[Phys251]

They don't have it now, Hamas used it to wage war.

So you were wrong when you said this:

How about the Palestinians spend a little money and effort trying to build a country instead of trying to destroy others.