OWS in D.C push 78 yr old woman down steps... The left must be so proud.

[Boo Radley]

Hi, Boo. Young and stupid isn't an excuse, though. #1, they aren't stupid. They're just misguided. If this movement is to have any credibility at all, their General Assembly (or whatever they call it) will begin heavily policing themselves. How can they do that? you ask. They can have Occupy Oakland Tshirts, as an example. And sell them only to people who are vouched for by two others. And they can demand those TShirts back if they see any violence happening caused by wearers. They can stop defending anyone who isn't wearing one...and turn in those who are causing violence to the police (as in citizen's arrest). They've made this mess. They've got to go over the top to make sure their voices aren't drowned out by those scallywags who are there just because it's a good roust-about.

And they've got to Google "civil disobedience." It's not blocking traffic as a mob...it's sitting in the street 'til you're arrested. It's not setting fires or breaking windows...it's sitting in front of the bank buildings so that people can't enter 'til you're arrested. And so forth.

Right now? They're just a mob with mostly good intentions.

Oh, I agree. ANd that sounds like good plan. I have merely said I understand it better and am less hostile.

 

[Harry Guerrilla]

Also, USAA doesn't have good rates for savings.... https://www.usaa.com/inet/pages/bank_savings?wa_ref=pub_global_products_bank_savings

That does suck, the one thing I heard about them is that they typically have outstanding service.
Don't know personally, but it's what I hear.

 

[Caine]

That does suck, the one thing I heard about them is that they typically have outstanding service.
Don't know personally, but it's what I hear.

You will always lose out on one thing or another by changing groups.
SECU doesn't have a phone app, BOA does...

BOA allows me to deposit checks (the ones I get from working off-duty security jobs) via the ATM (helpful for me when I work 3rd shift and I can take care of it at work instead of my off time) without a deposit slip or envelope or some such stuff.

 

[Harry Guerrilla]

You will always lose out on one thing or another by changing groups.
SECU doesn't have a phone app, BOA does...

It's hard to argue with their deposit account interest rates.

BOA allows me to deposit checks (the ones I get from working off-duty security jobs) via the ATM (helpful for me when I work 3rd shift and I can take care of it at work instead of my off time) without a deposit slip or envelope or some such stuff.

My wife is with Wells Fargo, has been since it was First Union.
I've tried to get her to change to something somewhat better but she likes it because of the ATM deposit stuff.

If I get a check now I have to mail it off for deposit, which isn't a big deal, but ING is going to deploy remote deposit soon.
Downside is that they were bought out buy Capital One (part of the Euro bank bailouts, they were required to dispose of all their American banking assets).
Crossing my fingers and hoping the Capital One buyout doesn't suck ass.

There are other options for banking too though, many brokerage accounts offer excellent banking services with unlimited ATM fee refunds, etc.

 

[Caine]

It's hard to argue with their deposit account interest rates.



My wife is with Wells Fargo, has been since it was First Union.
I've tried to get her to change to something somewhat better but she likes it because of the ATM deposit stuff.

If I get a check now I have to mail it off for deposit, which isn't a big deal, but ING is going to deploy remote deposit soon.
Downside is that they were bought out buy Capital One (part of the Euro bank bailouts, they were required to dispose of all their American banking assets).
Crossing my fingers and hoping the Capital One buyout doesn't suck ass.

There are other options for banking too though, many brokerage accounts offer excellent banking services with unlimited ATM fee refunds, etc.

The ATM fee setup that USAA gives (use any atm, they will refund the fees if the bank charges you) is awesome... that was a plus for them....

But... I rarely use ATMs... Im that guy who never carries cash, always uses his debit card even for a $0.79 purchase...

If I DO decide to get cash, I usually get it when it is most convenient for me... like at the checkout line in the form of cash back.

 

[Harry Guerrilla]

The ATM fee setup that USAA gives (use any atm, they will refund the fees if the bank charges you) is awesome... that was a plus for them....

But... I rarely use ATMs... Im that guy who never carries cash, always uses his debit card even for a $0.79 purchase...

If I DO decide to get cash, I usually get it when it is most convenient for me... like at the checkout line in the form of cash back.

Ditto.
Having cash causes me to spend it, usually pull out $20 a week as cash back at the grocery store.

 

[MaggieD]

That's not universally true, in my experience.
Online banks tend to outperform credit unions in most/all areas.

Except in fees they charge their customers: less. And interest rates they pay: more.

 

[Bodi]

All else aside, what the **** was up with homeboy dragging his wife away by the hair?

I disagree Maggie. I think that they were just innocent people like the old people. Trying to leave the building and getting pushed and'or yelled at by these assholes and she wasn't gonna take any ****. Mother's instinct to go bat **** crazy on anybody that messes with her kids and the dad grabbed her cave man style just to get her outa there with the kids since that is really what mattered most. He could't protect the kids and his wife at the same time if she actually started attacking that guy. He couldn't leave them to help her so he did the right thing, just grabbed her immediately and got them out of there.

 

[MaggieD]

I disagree Maggie. I think that they were just innocent people like the old people. Trying to leave the building and getting pushed and'or yelled at by these assholes and she wasn't gonna take any ****. Mother's instinct to go bat **** crazy on anybody that messes with her kids and the dad grabbed her cave man style just to get her outa there with the kids since that is really what mattered most. He could't protect the kids and his wife at the same time if she actually started attacking that guy. He couldn't leave them to help her so he did the right thing, just grabbed her immediately and got them out of there.

You could be right. As I said, WAG. I'm not convinced it was a Bear Cub thingie, though. Mom's usually want to get their kids out of harm's way...not have a confrontation. But that's just me. That's certainly seems to be the tack her partner took grabbing her by the hair and dragging her away. "Let's get the **** outa' here!"

 

[cpwill]

You add a lot of judgements that may or may not be accurate. Spoiled?

absolutely. these people have been taught to assume that just by showing up, they deserve to be handed success. Just joining a team rates you a trophy. Bothering to come to class rates you a passing grade. They've been given inflated expectations for reduced effort their entire lives; and now they are astonished that the gravy train is at an end and Real Life might not hand them everything on a silver platter.

Anyway, the fact is like the TP they have a point. And like the TP the point gets lost to many in the silliness. I can at least understand young people being silly. Not sure how to excuse more mature folks. But, as I said, both have a point. We could start there, or we could focus on the silliness. Want to bet which one happens most often?

assaulting the elderly and destroying private property is not "silliness", it is criminality.

 

[Harry Guerrilla]

Except in fees they charge their customers: less. And interest rates they pay: more.

Online banks tend to have no reoccurring account fees and in the case of my bank, they don't have an overdraft charge.
They have a line of credit, that currently is at 11.25% a year.

Even credit unions charge standard banking fees though.

 

[Caine]

Online banks tend to have no reoccurring account fees and in the case of my bank, they don't have an overdraft charge.
They have a line of credit, that currently is at 11.25% a year.

Even credit unions charge standard banking fees though.

SECU charges a one dollar a month checking fee that goes towards their charitable foundation
https://www.ncsecufoundation.org/

I currently pay no account fees with BoA due to an account that is available without fees If I keep a direct deposit on a regular basis.

 

[Bob Blaylock]

Can you tell me why you support violence against those who do block traffic?

Certainly, blocking traffic—preventing people from moving and going about their own business freely—constitutes a form of violence in itself.

Roads exist to drive cars and trucks on. That is what they are for. Cars and trucks are to be driven on roads, in order to transport people and cargo. That is what they are for.

Cars and trucks weigh several thousand pounds each, and if one runs over a person, that person can be expected not to come out terribly well.

In general, it is the responsibility of the operator of a vehicle to avoid running over people.

But at some point, I have to think that if someone is stupid enough to put himself in the path of a vehicle, in an attempt to prevent that vehicle's operator from going about his business, then it is that idiot, and not the vehicle's operator, who is responsible for the consequences of this stupid act.

 

[conservativeguy]

Several tea party events looked like this,

Go ahead and prove that statement. Before you do that, prove the picture you posted was a Tea Party event, however you define a TP event.

 

[Karl]

Several tea party events looked like this,

Go ahead and prove that statement. Before you do that, prove the picture you posted was a Tea Party event, however you define a TP event.

ROFLMAO :lamo . . . here's the 'picture', folks (conveniently edited out in the poster's challenge above):

[...] If any tea party event would've looked like this, the media would be crucifying them (rightly so). [...]

Several tea party events looked like this, as they crashed town halls (bused in by right wing PAC money), had at least one fight outside a town hall (in which some guy faked injury), ripped at least one sign out of a woman's hand in a town hall, and cursed and spat upon Congressmen in the nation's capital -- urged on by GOP leaders.

Now that certainly does not condone violence on either side, but it does decimate your really, really bad argument

Go ahead and prove that statement. Before you do that, prove the picture you posted was a Tea Party event, however you define a TP event.

 

[Karl]

Can you tell me why you support violence against those who do block traffic? [...]

Certainly, blocking traffic—preventing people from moving and going about their own business freely—constitutes a form of violence in itself. [...] Cars and trucks weigh several thousand pounds each, and if one runs over a person, that person can be expected not to come out terribly well.

In general, it is the responsibility of the operator of a vehicle to avoid running over people. But at some point, I have to think that if someone is stupid enough to put himself in the path of a vehicle, in an attempt to prevent that vehicle's operator from going about his business, then it is that idiot, and not the vehicle's operator, who is responsible for the consequences of this stupid act.

Yet another post reeking of fascism.

 

[cpwill]

Pro-government anarchy?

yup. the reason that doesn't resonate with you immediately is because you are looking on government as a law-and-order function. Certainly the protestors aren't down with that (hence the anarchy). But they see government as a redistributive function, and that they are all in favor of.

1. the law does not apply to me (anarchy)
2. someone should take away your stuff and give it to me (and that someone should be government)

 

[cpwill]

an interesting question: if there is no more just rule of law, and therefore these people are just as righteous in destroying private property, attacking the police, and committing vandalism as the Sons of Liberty were in tossing some tea in the boston harbor; does that mean that (since there is no more just rule of law), I am just as justified in tossing some molotov cocktails of my own and burning down their little encampment with them trapped inside as the minutemen who fought at lexington and concord were?

hmmm..... considering the disparity in training and experience, I might could find some silver linings in the whole "the law doesn't apply" scenario....

 

[Disputatious71]

Yet another post reeking of fascism.

fascism :a governmental system led by a dictator having complete power, forcibly suppressing opposition and criticism, regimenting all industry, commerce, etc., and emphasizing an aggressive nationalism and often racism.

How exactly does this post reek of a governmental system led by a dictator ? How did this supposed dictator gain complete power ? What force is being used to suppress opposition and criticism ? What industries, commerce etc. are being regimented ? I really am having a hard time understanding why you believe that it is NOT the OWS group which is advocating for nearly everything to be ran by the government for their own good, using force against their opposition and being nationalistic and anti-semitic (read racism) that is not the FASCIST group and those that disagree with you are.

 

[Ockham]

Yet another post reeking of fascism.

Everything you don't like, seems to reek of fascism. :lamo

 

[OscarB63]

this just in:


OWS loves crack

3 Charged With Dealing Crack; Occupy Boston ‘Deteriorating’ « CBS Boston

 

[Ockham]

this just in:


OWS loves crack

3 Charged With Dealing Crack; Occupy Boston ‘Deteriorating’ « CBS Boston

You know the argument you'll get throw at your face don't you? The same one used in Vancouver here on DP. It'll go something like this:

*ahem*

I used to work in Boston, and it's a dangerous place, people OD all the time and in _____________ where I lived for a few years, I personally saw drug users all the time. There were commonly drug busts all over Boston so I'm not surprised that crack cocaine is a problem but this has nothing to do with OWS you see. This would have happened with or without OWS being there. OWS didn't bring the drugs in, it's there already.

*end*

 

[cpwill]

Everything you don't like, seems to reek of fascism.

you saying that is fascist.

 

[cpwill]

this just in:

OWS loves crack

3 Charged With Dealing Crack; Occupy Boston ‘Deteriorating’ « CBS Boston

look, i'm sorry, but how is that "just in"? drug abuse has been a major part of OWS from the get-go; along with the hygiene issue, and the lack of any discernible coherence. Rape, Crime, Drugs, Child services coming in to rescue minors, rioting, violent clashes with the police, spraypainting cursewords across churches, destroying store fronts... its just like the Tea Party.

 

[Ockham]

you saying that is fascist.

I'm saying Karl thinks everything is fascist. They're flying out of the trees, under every rock, and hiding behind every door according to him.