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Over 80% of Americans Worried About Iran Conflict Growing After US Strikes

Fletch said:
Except this Trump 'war' lasted what? about an hour?
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What happened to no more wars?

kyivindependent.com

‘I’m going to stop the wars’ – Trump says, as he claims victory

"They said ‘he will start a war.’ I’m not going to start a war, I’m going to stop the wars," said Donald Trump during a speech in which he claimed victory in the 2024 presidential elections.
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Trump made no mention of Russia's war against Ukraine in his speech but said that the U.S. saw "no wars" during his first presidential term. "We had no wars, for four years, we had no wars. Except we defeated ISIS," Trump proclaimed.
"They said ‘he will start a war.’ I’m not going to start a war, I’m going to stop the wars."
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Oooops. Ignore those bombs I dropped on Iran!
 
Allan said:
Like debt. The US is currently at 36 trillion of it. Each new ME entanglement will add trillions more.

But MAGA only cares about debt when they're not in power.
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Why do you even care about US debt at all? You dont live here.
 
Brusan said:
The fact you believe the bolded should cause everyone on these boards to question your ability to use anything resembling linear logic.
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You do not like ceasefires?
Brusan said:
Your thinking the latest fracas in the sandbox being given some temporary time out as being the end of the war between Israel and Iran is akin to believing the Republicans are universal adherents of all Christian principles.
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Time out? I get the impression that you are hoping and praying that the ceasefire fails. I thought you libruls did not like war.
 
TangoNoCash said:
Just because you don’t understand doesn’t make anything a lie. Hopefully the no tax on OT goes through soon because your fantasies are really putting in a lot of overtime.
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I do understand. And so do you. You just wont admit it. And Im semi retired and was self employed my entire life. So I never got a penny of overtime.
 
Rogue Valley said:
www.newsweek.com

Over 80% of Americans worried about Iran conflict growing after US strikes

The majority of Americans are concerned about heightened tensions between Iran and the U.S., a poll finds.
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During his election campaign, Trump ran on a promise to end all US participation in "forever wars". Yet Trump jumped at an opportunity to help Israel PM Netanyahu bomb Iranian sites.

Trump will order the US military into action in a heartbeat if he believes doing so will help his underwater polling numbers here at home. Ordering US Marines into LA wasn't enough, so he ordered USAF strikes on Iran.
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The "forever", 12 day war?
The goal is to prevent a serious issue with Iran having a nuke. Preventive measure.
 
TangoNoCash said:
Just because you don’t understand doesn’t make anything a lie. Hopefully the no tax on OT goes through soon because your fantasies are really putting in a lot of overtime.
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90% of what is posted by liberals winds up being misinformation, exaggeration, deep fakes, or outright lies.
 
Allan said:
Like debt. The US is currently at 36 trillion of it. Each new ME entanglement will add trillions more.

But MAGA only cares about debt when they're not in power.
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Putting Republicans in complete control of government was a crushingly stupid mistake.
 
Fletch said:
Actually, the information from all reputable sources indicate the damage was extensive. You are still clinging to the anonymous sources that represent your personal hopes and dreams.
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Not really. Even the IAEA is not fully certain. So what we know is there was definitely damage, and probably the extensive variety, but that's different than saying everything was completely destroyed. That has less to do with politics, and more about the reality on the ground no one has confirmed. This really shouldn't be controversial, but the politics makes it such.
 
Fletch said:
I do understand. And so do you. You just wont admit it. And Im semi retired and was self employed my entire life. So I never got a penny of overtime.
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Since you’re determined to run in circles I’ll just post this again.

They should hoist a mission accomplished banner in your honor. Most of us realize this is just a return to step one.
 
MAGAnificent said:
You do not like ceasefires?

Time out? I get the impression that you are hoping and praying that the ceasefire fails. I thought you libruls did not like war.
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Your silly projecting upon me of contrary thoughts is just one more example of your inability to understand; never in the history of warfare have any combatants equated a cease fire to an end of any war. You've put voice to nonsensical "impressions" more often than not.

The "war" between Israel and a theologically zealot Moslem Iran has been waged for hundreds of years and will continue long after we on these boards are consigned back to the dust. Your comical embracing of this infinitesimal particle of time within that eons old "war" says a lot about how you view reality versus fantasy.
 
ElChupacabra said:
Not really. Even the IAEA is not fully certain. So what we know is there was definitely damage, and probably the extensive variety, but that's different than saying everything was completely destroyed. That has less to do with politics, and more about the reality on the ground no one has confirmed. This really shouldn't be controversial, but the politics makes it such.
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So this is just a tantrum by the left because they have to somehow show that Trumps rhetoric wasnt completely accurate. Thats more than just a bit childish, o?>
 
Fletch said:
So this is just a tantrum by the left because they have to somehow show that Trumps rhetoric wasnt completely accurate. Thats more than just a bit childish, o?>
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I do enjoy you using "tantrum" to describe anything except the near endless social media tantrums of the current president. That aside, it's less about having to show Trump failed and more about making unverified comments. He uses absolutist language to describe something which is as yet to be verified by anyone on the ground. Since he used bombastic descriptions like "obliterated", it's going to come into question. Had he stated "based on satellite imagery it appears significant damage was done" then that would be less controversial. He invites this criticism on himself.
 
Brusan said:
never in the history of warfare have any combatants equated a cease fire to an end of any war.
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However the end to many wars tend to start with ceasefires. We have one with the North Koreans that has basically held for over 70 years.
Brusan said:
The "war" between Israel and a theologically zealot Moslem Iran has been waged for hundreds of years and will continue long after we on these boards are consigned back to the dust.
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So, your tortured logic suggests wars never end if the combatants fought at some point in past history? Perhaps someone should tell the Japanese and the Germans that WW2 never really ended?
Brusan said:
Your comical embracing of this infinitesimal particle of time within that eons old "war" says a lot about how you view reality versus fantasy.
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The reality is that this war was largely between Israel and Iran. Israel is not at war with the entire world population of Islam, just the fanatics. Could Irael and Iran fight again? Sure, if Iran either restarts it's nuclear program in earnest, or continues attacking Israel with proxies like Hamas, Houthis, and Hezbollah. It's possible.
 
ElChupacabra said:
I do enjoy you using "tantrum" to describe anything except the near endless social media tantrums of the current president.
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So because Trump has tantrums, its ok for you libs to have them too. Gotcha. Way to become the thing you hate most lol
ElChupacabra said:
That aside, it's less about having to show Trump failed and more about making unverified comments. He uses absolutist language to describe something which is as yet to be verified by anyone on the ground. Since he used bombastic descriptions like "obliterated", it's going to come into question. Had he stated "based on satellite imagery it appears significant damage was done" then that would be less controversial. He invites this criticism on himself.
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No. You guys want this to be a failure and would be criticizing the mission and him no matter what he said about it.
 
MAGAnificent said:
However the end to many wars tend to start with ceasefires. We have one with the North Koreans that has basically held for over 70 years.

So, your tortured logic suggests wars never end if the combatants fought at some point in past history? Perhaps someone should tell the Japanese and the Germans that WW2 never really ended?

The reality is that this war was largely between Israel and Iran. Israel is not at war with the entire world population of Islam, just the fanatics. Could Irael and Iran fight again? Sure, if Iran either restarts it's nuclear program in earnest, or continues attacking Israel with proxies like Hamas, Houthis, and Hezbollah. It's possible.
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Your phrase "tortured logic" serves exponentially succinctly to describe this post in it's entirety. Well done.
 
Rogue Valley said:
https://www.newsweek.com/over-80-am...ran-conflict-growing-after-us-strikes-2089629
During his election campaign, Trump ran on a promise to end all US participation in "forever wars". Yet Trump jumped at an opportunity to help Israel PM Netanyahu bomb Iranian sites. Trump will order the US military into action in a heartbeat if he believes doing so will help his underwater polling numbers here at home. Ordering US Marines into LA wasn't enough, so he ordered USAF strikes on Iran.
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It's a valid concern, but one that may prove unfounded.

The US strike likely rendered the centrifuges useless.
 
Fletch said:
So because Trump has tantrums, its ok for you libs to have them too. Gotcha. Way to become the thing you hate most lol
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That's not what I said at all, and was specific to your selective critiques.

Fletch said:
No. You guys want this to be a failure and would be criticizing the mission and him no matter what he said about it.
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That depends on what the goals of the endeavor are, and in this case it was to attack Iran's nuclear sites to eliminate that threat. Until there's confirmation of that, claims of any of the sites being "obliterated" are suspect. That's the language the president chose to use, and he's rightfully getting called out on it for the reasons I stated before. The "Mission Accomplished" debacle change the game for these kind of declarations, and it's understandable given who inaccurate that was.
 
Rogue Valley said:
www.newsweek.com

Over 80% of Americans worried about Iran conflict growing after US strikes

The majority of Americans are concerned about heightened tensions between Iran and the U.S., a poll finds.
www.newsweek.com www.newsweek.com



During his election campaign, Trump ran on a promise to end all US participation in "forever wars". Yet Trump jumped at an opportunity to help Israel PM Netanyahu bomb Iranian sites.

Trump will order the US military into action in a heartbeat if he believes doing so will help his underwater polling numbers here at home. Ordering US Marines into LA wasn't enough, so he ordered USAF strikes on Iran.
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Sure, right. Trump doesn't do anything that will make him less popular. You can really tell because he's so careful around sensitive liberals. For Trump popularity is everything, and besides, how's he going to win in 2028 unless he's popular with the left?
 
Jay59 said:
It's a valid concern, but one that may prove unfounded.

The US strike likely rendered the centrifuges useless.
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Operative word in bold, and why some aren't keen on throwing a victory party. Determining the amount of destruction is important because that will set the path forward and decisions to be made. If Iran still has a functional nuclear program only delayed by a few months or a year, the calculus changes. That is, of course, if the US president cares about this beyond just the initial strike.
 
Helix said:
Starting wars does tend to generate long term consequences.
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It should be noted that Trump didn't start any wars. The Iran/Israel bombing conflict was well underway when Trump decided to get America in the fray.

He did however betray the trust of the voters who elected him because they believed his campaign promises: NO U.S. involvement in foreign wars, NO nation-building, and NO regime changes.
 
SkyChief said:
It should be noted that Trump didn't start any wars. The Iran/Israel bombing conflict was well underway when Trump decided to get America in the fray.

He did however betray the trust of the voters who elected him because they believed his campaign promises: NO U.S. involvement in foreign wars, NO nation-building, and NO regime changes.
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We all know what stupid mistakes he made that were part of what led to this.
 
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