Outrage as trans middle school athlete wins girls’ shot put event by more than 3 feet

[Bullseye]

When exactly do you plan to become outraged that at 13 she is already on estrogen HRT and blockers? She has been living as a girl since elementary school. Certainty that fact is worth 3-4 pages of conservative outrage.

Calm down. I asked a simple question.

 

[PeacefulWarrior]

She has been living as a girl since elementary school.

But he's been living as a boy since birth though.

And thats CHECK and MATE heh heh heh heh.

 

[Bodi]

You're mad a middle school kids now?

You don't care about girls now?

I am not the one railing against middle school kids.

Correct. You are the one mad at somebody standing up for young girls and Title 9...

 

[anatta]

What ought to upset you is the idea of giving puberty blockers to an 8 yr old

indeed.

 

[Bodi]

Are we so small-minded that we worry about who wins a middle school track event over the child who is transgender????

Are we so small minded that we don't care that girls have their own division so they can compete, yes... COMPETE, in a sport?

 

[Bodi]

When exactly do you plan to become outraged that at 13 she is already on estrogen HRT and blockers? She has been living as a girl since elementary school. Certainty that fact is worth 3-4 pages of conservative outrage.

She won the shot put by 3 feet... I know that you have no idea what a massive crushing dominance that is... she is not a girl and it is evident.

 

[Bodi]

Given that puberty blockers can reduce bone density, then she is already overcoming a handicap to win!

Yes. He crushed a bunch of girls in a sport of pure strength... what a "win"!!

 

[Bodi]

This thread is about a 14 year old throwing a shot put in a middle school track meet.

No. This thread is about a boy dominating a sport of strength against a bunch of girls.

 

[Pyrite]

New Study Bolsters Idea of Athletic Differences Between Men and Trans Women

Research financed by the International Olympic Committee introduced new data to the unsettled and fractious debate about bans on transgender athletes.

www.nytimes.com

A new study financed by the International Olympic Committee found that transgender female athletes showed greater handgrip strength — an indicator of overall muscle strength — but lower jumping ability, lung function and relative cardiovascular fitness compared with women whose gender was assigned female at birth.

That data, which also compared trans women with men, contradicted a broad claim often made by proponents of rules that bar transgender women from competing in women’s sports. It also led the study’s authors to caution against a rush to expand such policies, which already bar transgender athletes from a handful of Olympic sports.

The study’s most important finding, according to one of its authors, Yannis Pitsiladis, a member of the I.O.C.’s medical and scientific commission, was that, given physiological differences, “Trans women are not biological men.”...

 

[ldub23]

In WV girls turned out to protest a boy who competed in the girls competition.

And imagine this.

He dominated

This isn’t right. Straight up sick and stupid.

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MSN

Democrats are the flat-earthers.

 

[ldub23]

No. This thread is about a boy dominating a sport of strength against a bunch of girls.

Yes it is. Democrats want to end female sports.

 

[Pyrite]

Yes it is. Democrats want to end female sports.

Wow! Great sloganeering!

Now, how do you go about proving this?

 

[Anthony60]

I can’t imagine how hard it must be for this child to have had the courage to compete in this meet AND not break down crying when students on the other team wouldn’t even compete. 8th grade. 13 years old.

It sure takes balls.

 

[Anthony60]

Rage louder,

Pepper hardly looks like a boy.

That's a thick neck. Arms are large. Oh, wait... he's got long hair and pink on his shirt! Well, totally female then.

 

[Bodi]

New Study Bolsters Idea of Athletic Differences Between Men and Trans Women

Research financed by the International Olympic Committee introduced new data to the unsettled and fractious debate about bans on transgender athletes.

www.nytimes.com

A new study financed by the International Olympic Committee found that transgender female athletes showed greater handgrip strength — an indicator of overall muscle strength — but lower jumping ability, lung function and relative cardiovascular fitness compared with women whose gender was assigned female at birth.

That data, which also compared trans women with men, contradicted a broad claim often made by proponents of rules that bar transgender women from competing in women’s sports. It also led the study’s authors to caution against a rush to expand such policies, which already bar transgender athletes from a handful of Olympic sports.

The study’s most important finding, according to one of its authors, Yannis Pitsiladis, a member of the I.O.C.’s medical and scientific commission, was that, given physiological differences, “Trans women are not biological men.”...

All the studies in the world do not erase the video evidence where time and time again men are competing against women and kicking their asses.

You are free to not support women or women sports but that does not mean that we will agree with your ridiculous attempts to go against science.

 

[Bodi]

Rage louder,

Pepper hardly looks like a boy.

This phot alone is meaningless. Stand pepper against her competition...

 

[Pyrite]

All the studies in the world do not erase the video evidence where time and time again men are competing against women and kicking their asses.

You are free to not support women or women sports but that does not mean that we will agree with your ridiculous attempts to go against science.

Well, you can make all the claims you want, but unless and until you bring copies and pastes of excerpts from credible sources to which you post the links, "we" will not take you seriously.

In the meantime, I've brought to the table a credible study.

You?

 

[Hello My Son]

In WV girls turned out to protest a boy who competed in the girls competition.

And imagine this.

He dominated

This isn’t right. Straight up sick and stupid.

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MSN

Male to female trans kids are higher on the intersectionality scale than biological female kids, so the biological female kids can just get over it.

That's the far-left's position in a nutshell. They just won't outright say it.

 

[Bodi]

Well, you can make all the claims you want, but unless and until you bring copies and pastes of excerpts from credible sources to which you post the links, "we" will not take you seriously.

In the meantime, I've brought to the table a credible study.

You?

Just decades of first hand experience in competitive athletics ... and I doubt you have any.

Male athletes understand perfectly that they can crush a girl in sports...

 

[UseYourLogic]

I really don’t understand how we got here. There is no way we can ensure a fair game/match/contest between a female born as a female and a male who transitioned to female.

 

[Pyrite]

Just decades of first hand experience in competitive athletics ... and I doubt you have any.

Male athletes understand perfectly that they can crush a girl in sports...

Anecdotal evidence is sometimes of value, but not always.

As for your last statement - apparently, transgender females do not "crush girls in sport" all the time, or you would have brought that evidence here.

 

[ldub23]

Wow! Great sloganeering!

Now, how do you go about proving this?

Because they are forcing females to compete against stronger faster men.

 

[Bodi]

Anecdotal evidence is sometimes of value, but not always.

As for your last statement - apparently, transgender females do not "crush girls in sport" all the time, or you would have brought that evidence here.

I have always argued that not all trans-girls will beat all girls.

I would have 8 of these National Records if I competed again girls in High School. As I am a guy and competed against guys though? I have none.

 

[Hello My Son]

Well, you can make all the claims you want, but unless and until you bring copies and pastes of excerpts from credible sources to which you post the links, "we" will not take you seriously.

In the meantime, I've brought to the table a credible study.

You?

The study you cite suffers from some serious limitations. First of all, hand strength, jumping ability, and lung functioning is not demonstrated to be causally linked to greater performative athleticism in general or specifically to any sport. It's not even demonstrated to be correlated to greater athletic ability. Overall strength, endurance, and speed can be linked to greater athleticism in many sports, as can hand-eye coordination and response time. There are of course many other variables that could be measured that are specifically linked to greater athleticism, but instead they chose three very arbitrary measurements that don't really relate to overall athletic performance in any popular sport. Also, another significant flaw is that they did not control the extraneous variable of body fat between the different groups, so the CW group had lower fat mass than the TW group. So, yes, CW women who have less body fat and therefore a higher muscle mass will have greater strength in some areas and will also have better cardiovascular health. It's almost like they took a group of fit/athletic cisgender women and compared them to trans females with average to above average physiological mass. That's a major threat to the validity of the conclusions being drawn.

Here are some other studies on the topic that take a greater look at the breadth of research and performative variables.

1) We report that the performance gap between males and females becomes significant at puberty and often amounts to 10–50% depending on sport. The performance gap is more pronounced in sporting activities relying on muscle mass and explosive strength, particularly in the upper body. Longitudinal studies examining the effects of testosterone suppression on muscle mass and strength in transgender women consistently show very modest changes, where the loss of lean body mass, muscle area and strength typically amounts to approximately 5% after 12 months of treatment. Thus, the muscular advantage enjoyed by transgender women is only minimally reduced when testosterone is suppressed. Sports organizations should consider this evidence when reassessing current policies regarding participation of transgender women in the female category of sport.

2) Testosterone drives much of the enhanced athletic performance of males through in utero, early life, and adult exposure. Many anatomical sex differences driven by testosterone are not reversible. Hemoglobin levels and muscle mass are sensitive to adult life testosterone levels, with hemoglobin being the most responsive. Studies in transgender women, and androgen-deprivation treated cancer patients, show muscle mass is retained for many months, even years, and that co-comittant exercise mitigates muscle loss. Given that sports are currently segregated into male and female divisions because of superior male athletic performance, and that estrogen therapy will not reverse most athletic performance parameters, it follows that transgender women will enter the female division with an inherent advantage because of their prior male physiology.

3) The 15–31% athletic advantage that transwomen displayed over their female counterparts prior to starting gender affirming hormones declined with feminising therapy. However, transwomen still had a 9% faster mean run speed after the 1 year period of testosterone suppression that is recommended by World Athletics for inclusion in women’s events.

 

[eohrnberger]

In WV girls turned out to protest a boy who competed in the girls competition.

And imagine this.

He dominated

This isn’t right. Straight up sick and stupid.

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MSN

Biological males should not be competing in athletics against biological females.