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The mantra coming from the intelligencia is that we don't spend enough on education and that increased education will help boost the economy.

The numbers say otherwise. Currently we have too many college graduates and people with graduate degrees for the number of jobs inside and outside of academia. The availability of excess talent doesn't seem to be helping the economy. Spending more money on education helps teachers unions and helps colleges and universities with their already bloated budgets, but it does nothing for society at large once a saturation point is reached.

The current policies of this administration -- excessive onerous and costly regulations on business and an increase in the number and magnitude of taxes -- is sure to make the excess of educated young people in the job market even worse by suppressing business growth.

The Ph.D Bust: America's Awful Market for Young Scientists—in 7 Charts - Jordan Weissmann - The Atlantic
 
Ironically there is a generational divide in public school science teachers, so some of these Phd's may have to suck it up and start teaching biology in HS instead of college. Lord knows there seems to be a huge ample surplus of people with phd's in things like history.
 
The fastest growing, cabinet level, federal department is ED, yet education is not a federal power granted by the Constitution. Education is a booming business (with a lot of union/tenure influence) that, as you say, is not driven by market demand, but by gov't oversupply of funding - totally unrelated to the results. We are currently stuck with an administration that wants to expand that federal largess even further, adding more "free access" to pre-K (childcare?) and college education while increasing the federal "aid" to K-12 education as well. While education is indeed good, valuable and necessary - it is not a federal gov't function.
 
A phd in a useless thing like liberal arts, bible studies, philosophy or interpretive music or whatever... is useless and has always been useless.

A phd in engineering will never go out of style. I don't have any ambitions of getting a phd in engineering, will be happy to get my bacherlors and then a masters in something else to begin with... but yeah.

But generally, because higher education has become a pre-requisite to so many jobs, ofc the academia became, for the most part, highschool 2.0. Where you go in, sit down (at irregular hours), learn some stuff... if you're lucky, do some stuff (like a few projects and lab work) and then write some stuff on the exam paper. And bam, you're done. Yeeey. And then you go, get a job, spend a few years learning things that are actually useful and live your life.
 
It is definitely a problem that our economy is so focused on using people for repetitive, mindless work to feed a money making machine instead of fostering creative endeavor to improve our country. It's getting to the point where the population is simply too smart and too knowledgeable to allow oligarchical, profiteering capitalism much longer. If our economics can't keep up with our knowledge, it's the economics that need to change, not the knowledge.
 
I agree with the OP on the surplus Phd issue, however what seems more troublesome is the vast number of people on the other end of the spectrum that have failed to benefit at all from the educational system and seem to lack even the basic skills of reading, writing, math and the ability to comprehend events around them. It's become even worse in recent years in that we seem to have huge classes of people who cannot even speak with any intelligence.

There will never be jobs for all of these people. They can only do the simplest of tasks when told exactly what to do. They can do factory work or simple menial tasks, but how many lawns need mowing, how many pizza store signs need someone dancing in the street waving the sign? A huge number of these people simply drop out of school and then what? Hang around for the next sixty years?
 
i'd be happy to live in a country where everyone had gone through the intellectual rigor that it takes to get a PhD. in hindsight, i probably should have gotten one after my masters.

once again, education is an investment in our national intellectual resource, not just job training. we need that resource to be as large and diverse as possible, as we will have to tackle novel new national problems.
 
The mantra coming from the intelligencia is that we don't spend enough on education and that increased education will help boost the economy.

The numbers say otherwise. Currently we have too many college graduates and people with graduate degrees for the number of jobs inside and outside of academia. The availability of excess talent doesn't seem to be helping the economy. Spending more money on education helps teachers unions and helps colleges and universities with their already bloated budgets, but it does nothing for society at large once a saturation point is reached.

The current policies of this administration -- excessive onerous and costly regulations on business and an increase in the number and magnitude of taxes -- is sure to make the excess of educated young people in the job market even worse by suppressing business growth.

The Ph.D Bust: America's Awful Market for Young Scientists—in 7 Charts - Jordan Weissmann - The Atlantic

I would agree with you.....I am tired of hearing how for every one dollar we invest into education we get 7 dollars back later on. This is nothing but grifter talk. How we need new modern schools. More teachers etc etc.

Here they have schools with properties. Nothing in them. Warehouses full of all kinds of school supplies and furniture. Moreover they are closing more schools and then they will just let them deteriorate.

We need more High Schools with Vocational Training.....ROTC. Classes that get Young People hands on experience. Teach them how to plant vegetables and fruits. Recognize basic plants. First Aid.....lets get that Candy Stripers Program back in Schools to help in Nursing. Bring in Carpentry, teach people the basics on how to build. (which btw way we need to change the way we build anyways)

Communities pay for their schools.....lets have jobs for kids out there. Rather than just letting them run around doing whatever.
 
i'd be happy to live in a country where everyone had gone through the intellectual rigor that it takes to get a PhD. in hindsight, i probably should have gotten one after my masters.

once again, education is an investment in our national intellectual resource, not just job training. we need that resource to be as large and diverse as possible, as we will have to tackle novel new national problems.

We also need folks that can actually build a structure correctly, not only following minimal building codes but taking care to make acurate measuments, proper joints and spacing of sheet goods. When I see the crap that passes for "tract housing" (even some commercial units) being created by semi-skilled morons, passed off as "OK" by the building inspectors and sold to unsuspecting morons that will experince the problems caused by shoddy construction techniques it makes me sad, that in this country that is now "acceptable". You do not need college to properly set a window or door, or to level and plumb a wall, but you do need to know how (and why?) to do so.
 
Believe it or not I have a brother with a PHD in physics. After he lost his job he couldn't find another one and ended up working as a civilian employee for the navy. The feds are the only ones hiring these days.
 
i'd be happy to live in a country where everyone had gone through the intellectual rigor that it takes to get a PhD. in hindsight, i probably should have gotten one after my masters.

I don't think finishing requires any more intellectual rigor than a Master's did. We all know people who fell by the doctoral wayside, but not because they didn't have the right intellectual stuff. There were other "rigors" at play.

once again, education is an investment in our national intellectual resource, not just job training. we need that resource to be as large and diverse as possible, as we will have to tackle novel new national problems.

If people are "smart" enough to complete a 4-year degree plus grad work, then they're smart enough for me not to worry about them. They'll get by. But I am frightened by the number of high school graduates who are barely literate and who have to take remedial math if they hope to finish any degree. Worry about what the kids in middle school and high school aren't learning, and then worry about those who are degreed.
 
Currently we have too many college graduates and people with graduate degrees for the number of jobs inside and outside of academia.
OK, and...?

If you're talking about Ph.D's, you're discussing a very small slice of education. There are around 60,000 total PhD graduates per year, and 3.4 million high school graduates per year. You're talking about less than 1% of all students.


The availability of excess talent doesn't seem to be helping the economy.
So, I guess you didn't notice this pesky recession thing, huh? :D

Jobs increasingly require more education than a high school diploma, and during the recession college graduates have a significantly lower unemployment rate than those with only a high school degree. College graduates tend to have unemployment rates in the 4% range, it's closer to 24% for high school graduates.

Half of the PhD candidates in the sciences are also foreigners, and it's beneficial for them to study in the US -- even if they wind up going home and working there.

I do think a good argument can be made for vocational-type schools, which will provide more practical skills. But pointing out a surplus of PhD's as though it's indicative of a massive failure of the educational system is unpersuasive.


The current policies of this administration -- excessive onerous and costly regulations on business and an increase in the number and magnitude of taxes -- is sure to make the excess of educated young people in the job market even worse by suppressing business growth.
Please.

If Obama didn't support TARP and the auto industry bailout and other actions (imperfect as they may be), the global economy would be in a tailspin with 25% unemployment in the US.

The US is one of the most business-friendly nations in the world (Ease of doing business index (1=most business-friendly regulations) | Data | Table). The US is also one of the largest and most affluent unified markets in the world; working in Europe, for example, still involves a thicket of potentially debilitating regulations (such as France's labor laws) or intractable corruption (China).

The stimulus included significant tax breaks, and very few taxes were introduced or increased during his first term (one on tobacco, one on tanning salons, one on medical equipment manufacturers). The effective corporate tax rate is lower than many other nations. Corporate profits are through the roof, and companies are hoarding cash rather than hiring staff.

Obama's preferred policies would also put a heck of a lot of engineers to work, fixing deteriorating infrastructure. Considering that investors are willing to loan the US Treasury money by the truckload despite near-zero interest rates, it's not Obama's policies that are holding back hiring.

And if anything, "too many PhD's" is a market problem, not a government problem. The government has not mandated the graduation of 60,000 PhD candidates; that's a result of people deciding on their own accord to get a graduate degree, and the US market determining it doesn't need those skills right now.
 
i'd be happy to live in a country where everyone had gone through the intellectual rigor that it takes to get a PhD. in hindsight, i probably should have gotten one after my masters.

once again, education is an investment in our national intellectual resource, not just job training. we need that resource to be as large and diverse as possible, as we will have to tackle novel new national problems.

And global problems. We could export our surplus phds to the developing world to reverse/stem the brain drain - exile, useless ones!
 
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OK, and...?

If you're talking about Ph.D's, you're discussing a very small slice of education. There are around 60,000 total PhD graduates per year, and 3.4 million high school graduates per year. You're talking about less than 1% of all students.

Nevertheless, it's proof of the principle that an excess of talent doesn't help the economy.

So, I guess you didn't notice this pesky recession thing, huh? :D

The argument is that putting more money into education will improve the economy. This doesn't appear to be the case.

Jobs increasingly require more education than a high school diploma, and during the recession college graduates have a significantly lower unemployment rate than those with only a high school degree. College graduates tend to have unemployment rates in the 4% range, it's closer to 24% for high school graduates.

No, unemployment for college graduates is at 9.4% and 19% of them can only get work part time. In addition, their salaries and benefits are lower.

The Class of 2012: Labor market for young graduates remains grim | Economic Policy Institute

I do think a good argument can be made for vocational-type schools, which will provide more practical skills. But pointing out a surplus of PhD's as though it's indicative of a massive failure of the educational system is unpersuasive.

It's not a failure of the educational system, it's malinvestment by the government.

The US is one of the most business-friendly nations in the world (Ease of doing business index (1=most business-friendly regulations) | Data | Table). The US is also one of the largest and most affluent unified markets in the world; working in Europe, for example, still involves a thicket of potentially debilitating regulations (such as France's labor laws) or intractable corruption (China).

I would hope that you would realize the fallacy of defending the regulatory system in the US by comparing it to Europe.

The stimulus included significant tax breaks, and very few taxes were introduced or increased during his first term (one on tobacco, one on tanning salons, one on medical equipment manufacturers). The effective corporate tax rate is lower than many other nations. Corporate profits are through the roof, and companies are hoarding cash rather than hiring staff.

No, Obama has added at least 21 new or higher taxes. Companies hoarding cash, increasing productivity without hiring, and taking their profits overseas as a way to avoid corporate taxes are signs of a sick, sick economy and a regulatory system that is dysfunctional.

Americans for Tax Reform : Comprehensive List of Obama Tax Hikes

Obama's preferred policies would also put a heck of a lot of engineers to work, fixing deteriorating infrastructure. Considering that investors are willing to loan the US Treasury money by the truckload despite near-zero interest rates, it's not Obama's policies that are holding back hiring.

Sorry, but if Obama really wants to see higher employment then he's going about it in a strange fashion. For everything he does that is supposedly to boost the economy he does three things that hold it back.

New Poll: 55% Of Small Biz Owners Would Not Start Companies Today--69% Say Regulation Has Harmed Their Businesses - Forbes
 
I'm so tired of the modern trend of anti-intellectualism coming from certain segments of American society. When people say more money should be put into education, I'm pretty sure most people are referring to the obscene level of student loan debt that post-grads have, and not putting more money into creating more demand. Education should not be so costly to the average person.

The purpose of PhD level education is not to make society money but to do research. Higher education is for inquiry and uncovering new knowledge. That's what academia has been about since the dawn of time, not careers. It's the job of policy makers and business to implement new applications of knowledge. Grads and post-grads largely do research. Our economy is ailing due to stagnation caused by a business sector that is obsessed with absorbing all the money our civilization has while innovating as little as possible.

Our country already has all the solutions to its major problems in the form of experts lying in wait. It's the plutocrats that won't take suggestion from the educated masses. Business and government are clinging to a stagnant fiduciary model. The benefits of an educated population aren't strictly about dollars and cents, but keeping an electorate that isn't stupid and ignorant.

Unfortunately, it has become a trend for the stupid and ignorant to attack intellectuals as part of our recent race to the bottom. This is no accident. With unions being destroyed, wages being slashed, and worker rights gradually diminishing as we become a service based economy, big business is less interested in an educated work force. That's what happens when we lower our standards to compete with China instead of just being a leader in a new kind of economy.
 
The mantra coming from the intelligencia is that we don't spend enough on education and that increased education will help boost the economy.

The numbers say otherwise. Currently we have too many college graduates and people with graduate degrees for the number of jobs inside and outside of academia. The availability of excess talent doesn't seem to be helping the economy. Spending more money on education helps teachers unions and helps colleges and universities with their already bloated budgets, but it does nothing for society at large once a saturation point is reached.

The current policies of this administration -- excessive onerous and costly regulations on business and an increase in the number and magnitude of taxes -- is sure to make the excess of educated young people in the job market even worse by suppressing business growth.

The Ph.D Bust: America's Awful Market for Young Scientists—in 7 Charts - Jordan Weissmann - The Atlantic


Over the last 20 some years I have noticed a trend. Sub-par jobs are now requiring a college degree that require no further education to actually perform the job. Before we know it a janitor will be required to have a doctorate.
 
Nevertheless, it's proof of the principle that an excess of talent doesn't help the economy.
I agree with that general statement. But even in a utopian laissez-faire economy, you'll have a mismatch between the number of people who want to do a job, who are trained for the job, and demand for the job. Human skills are not that fluid.

More importantly, those individuals are all going into those programs of their own free will, not because the government publicly announced they would pay every successful PhD graduate a $200,000 cash bonus. (In fact, much of the "investment" is loans that have to get paid back, or research projects that are actually needed.)

And considering it can easily take 5 years to get a PhD in the sciences, and we're dealing with decade-long trends, the basic concept of assigning causality to any specific administration makes no sense.


The argument is that putting more money into education will improve the economy. This doesn't appear to be the case.
The PhD example does not prove this conclusion, because "education" means much more than PhD's.

We also don't have a centrally controlled economy where the government is deciding in advance to produce 60,000 PhD's per year.


No, unemployment for college graduates is at 9.4% and 19% of them can only get work part time.
That is RECENT college graduates only. The rate for ALL college graduates is closer to 4%.

The challenges for recent grads is a temporary condition that's a result of the recession, and it's not the first time in recent history that this has happened.


It's not a failure of the educational system, it's malinvestment by the government.
It's a very small investment, especially compared to spending with bad multiplier effects like military.


I would hope that you would realize the fallacy of defending the regulatory system in the US by comparing it to Europe.
There's no "fallacy" at all.

Europe is a major competitor to the US, and nations like Germany are highly successful despite being more heavily regulated than the US. Or: China has fewer regulations in some respect, but is very unfriendly to businesses in other ways -- rampant corruption, a capricious government which does not tolerate dissent, dislike of foreign businesses, disrespect for intellectual property, a weak legal system with offers litte recourse (especially to non-Chinese entities), a poorly educated workforce and consumer base, terrible infrastructure....

Nor was the US all that great in the days of Less Regulation. Unless you like child labor, unclean food, banks operating with no controls, speculators cornering markets, rampant pollution, snake-oil "medicines," cars without safety standards or safety belts, and so forth.

The US has one of the most business-friendly economic systems in the world. The failure to understand that is a result of taking the system for granted.


No, Obama has added at least 21 new or higher taxes.
Most of those taxes haven't even kicked in yet. Saying that a tax which doesn't even start in 2014 affected the economy in 2009 is just funny.

And of the taxes that have already kicked in, most were fairly small and targeted -- again, tanning salons, tobacco, medical equipment.

As to the costs for Obamacare, anyone who actually has been involved in running a small business knows that health care costs were going through the roof long before Obama was elected to office. We may have a 1- or 2-year bump in some costs for a slice of small businesses, but if it does get costs under control (something that "do nothing" certainly would not), it'll level things out.


Companies hoarding cash, increasing productivity without hiring, and taking their profits overseas as a way to avoid corporate taxes are signs of a sick, sick economy and a regulatory system that is dysfunctional.
No, it's just a recession. It's more severe than most, but this is all very standard behavior.

Because of the recent shock and shake-up in the economy, everyone is terrified they will lose their shirts (again) if they invest their cash. Individuals cut back spending and pay down their debts; companies don't hire, don't invest in capital, don't build up big inventories. This is rational for these individuals, but bad for the economy as a whole. This is why the government needs to borrow from the hoarders (banks and corporations), spend during the recession (and really, ONLY during the recession) on things with multiplier effects and overall economic value, like infrastructure spending.

The US is still a unified market, with reasonably well-delineated rules, a functional court system, a lot less corruption and bribery than most of the planet, a well-developed and reasonably well-educated workforce and consumer base, solid resources, a good transportation network, a reasonably good IT infrastructure, and a lot more latitude for entrepreneurs than most of the world.

Think of the innovations and garage-to-multinational successes of the past ~30 years. The Internet, digital distribution of content, Microsoft, Apple, HP, Dell, Google, Facebook, Amazon -- this is your idea of regulatory madness? Established corporations are terrified that some kid in his dorm room will make something with a $2500 3D printer that disrupts a multi-million dollar industry; is that typical of an economy that's cripplingly ossified by regulation?

Or do you genuinely believe that the economy is so fragile that charging an extra $0.61 for a pack of smokes is going to destroy every small business in the US?

And should I also assume you're OK with foreign ownership of US companies? Why should we regulate who runs our power plants, prepares our food or makes our cars?

By the way, small businesses have been hiring few people per business... since around 2000. I don't think that's a result of regulation, it's because of the increase in productivity.


Sorry, but if Obama really wants to see higher employment then he's going about it in a strange fashion. For everything he does that is supposedly to boost the economy he does three things that hold it back.
So your proof of this is one poll in one year, run by Public Opinion Strategies -- a Republican polling firm? Nice.
 
The original post is a bit of a red herring. No one argues for prioritizing increasing the quantity of Phds or other higher degrees, excerpt for in certain fields such as genetics, where there is money for research but a limited number of qualified researchers. Advocates for greater spending on education prioritize spending to help more people obtain the level of education required to get a decent job, which for many fields requires a BA. The main goal is equal opportunity for as many people as possible. No one should be handicapped in life because they did not have sufficient access to a decent education in my opinion. Currently K-12 education has at least a 30% failure rate, which would not be acceptable in any other endeavor. Addressing that problem should be the highest priority issue in education.

The only perceived harm from too much education is from ignorant people who think that all higher education is a form of liberal brainwashing. People with a good education have a better understanding of how the universe works and are more able to be good citizens and innovate, create and explain. Education does need to evolve to meeting the changing needs of society. I especially see a need for greater media literacy, a better understanding of how science works, and for teaching people how to do their own learning, which requires knowing how to evaluate the quality of information.

As automation increases, it becomes harder for society to accomodate as many people with little education. Educated people may not get the career they want, but at least they are capable of taking on a greater variety of tasks and they are also better at using their leisure time in a way that doesn't harm society.

I support more vocational education also, but it should be designed so that it isn't used as a way to simply push the poor and minorities into lower status jobs. Also, it should be designed so that the students gain a better understanding of the science behind the work that they do.

In other words, teach a student to fix an automobile engine and you feed him/her for a few years until the technology changes. Teach a student the science behind how various types of engines work, the history behind the development of engines and how to keep up with the latest developments in engine technology and you feed him/her for life.
 
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That is RECENT college graduates only. The rate for ALL college graduates is closer to 4%.

Of course, it will be the recent graduates that suffer from the excess.

The challenges for recent grads is a temporary condition that's a result of the recession, and it's not the first time in recent history that this has happened.

And again the point was that having an excess of graduates isn't helping the economy. It's like saying that having an excess of airplane tires available will stimulate the growth of the aerospace industry so we should put more money into tire makers.

It's a very small investment, especially compared to spending with bad multiplier effects like military.

Small? Outstanding student loans are now at over a $trillion.

There's no "fallacy" at all.

The US isn't like Europe, and we don't want to be like Europe. This ought to be plain if one is paying attention. Not even Europe can afford to be like Europe.

Most of those taxes haven't even kicked in yet. Saying that a tax which doesn't even start in 2014 affected the economy in 2009 is just funny.

Of course these taxes are having an effect now. Businesses obviously are going to be planning ahead, and what they do now is very much affected by those taxes. The growth of the 49er businesses (firms that don't want to take the hit for going 50 or over employees) has already been documented as have businesses that share 20 hour employees with other businesses (half of the time at each place for a full 40 hour week for each employee and the two businesses don't have to claim any full time employees.)

Review & Outlook: ObamaCare and the '29ers' - WSJ.com

I'm out of time. Perhaps I can get back to this later.
 
I'm so tired of the modern trend of anti-intellectualism coming from certain segments of American society. When people say more money should be put into education, I'm pretty sure most people are referring to the obscene level of student loan debt that post-grads have, and not putting more money into creating more demand. Education should not be so costly to the average person.

The purpose of PhD level education is not to make society money but to do research. Higher education is for inquiry and uncovering new knowledge. That's what academia has been about since the dawn of time, not careers. It's the job of policy makers and business to implement new applications of knowledge. Grads and post-grads largely do research. Our economy is ailing due to stagnation caused by a business sector that is obsessed with absorbing all the money our civilization has while innovating as little as possible.

Our country already has all the solutions to its major problems in the form of experts lying in wait. It's the plutocrats that won't take suggestion from the educated masses. Business and government are clinging to a stagnant fiduciary model. The benefits of an educated population aren't strictly about dollars and cents, but keeping an electorate that isn't stupid and ignorant.

Unfortunately, it has become a trend for the stupid and ignorant to attack intellectuals as part of our recent race to the bottom. This is no accident. With unions being destroyed, wages being slashed, and worker rights gradually diminishing as we become a service based economy, big business is less interested in an educated work force. That's what happens when we lower our standards to compete with China instead of just being a leader in a new kind of economy.

Anti-intellectualism is not new; it has been a thread in the fabric of American culture since our beginning.

Commentary Series: Gilbert: Anti-intellectualism in America

Anti-intellectualism in American Life - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


I can certainly agree with "Higher education is for inquiry and uncovering new knowledge. That's what academia has been about since the dawn of time, not careers" and would add only that academia also preserves and passes on knowledge.
 
We don't have a surplus of PhDs as a whole...just in certain subjects.

If you get a PhD in a social science or humanities subject, all you're qualified to do is teach that social science or humanities subjects.

PhDs/DBAs in accountancy are quite rare, relatively. The pay increase between someone with an MBA and a CPA, and someone with a PhD, is minimal at best - and I've seen reports that 9-month first-year PhDs teaching at the university level (not year-round) average around $140,000 a year. It goes up to around $175,000 for year-round people, or people who do for-profit, publishable research in the off-time.

I mean, what's a PhD in African Studies or Sociology going to do for you? Bragging rights about the prefix of your name?
 
What's it any of you guys business if someone takes the time and makes the effort and pays for a PhD?

Hey, I play basketball twice a week, maybe I should quit because thats not going to get me a job as a professional basketball player. And all of those sidewalks that the government builds, maybe we should stop building those because none of the people who walk on those sidewalks are ever going to get a job as a sidewalk walker.

If I was to say that we had too many rich people, many conservatives would jump all down my throat, telling me that it's none of my business how much money someone else makes and accusing me of being jealous. If I was to suggest that we should outlaw junk food, I would be promptly told how it isn't the business of government to be everyone's momma.

Now if our government was pushing people to get these apparently useless PhDs, I could understand the complaint, but I really am unaware of anything like that happening.

I really don't understand why anyone would want to criticize someone for getting a PhD, regardless of the employment outlook. Education is a personal decision, and the reasons for getting a PhD are probably nearly as numerous and the number of people who get one.
 
What's it any of you guys business if someone takes the time and makes the effort and pays for a PhD?

Hey, I play basketball twice a week, maybe I should quit because thats not going to get me a job as a professional basketball player. And all of those sidewalks that the government builds, maybe we should stop building those because none of the people who walk on those sidewalks are ever going to get a job as a sidewalk walker.

If I was to say that we had too many rich people, many conservatives would jump all down my throat, telling me that it's none of my business how much money someone else makes and accusing me of being jealous. If I was to suggest that we should outlaw junk food, I would be promptly told how it isn't the business of government to be everyone's momma.

Now if our government was pushing people to get these apparently useless PhDs, I could understand the complaint, but I really am unaware of anything like that happening.

I really don't understand why anyone would want to criticize someone for getting a PhD, regardless of the employment outlook. Education is a personal decision, and the reasons for getting a PhD are probably nearly as numerous and the number of people who get one.

Was anyone suggesting that we prohibit the earning of a PhD?
 
The mantra coming from the intelligencia is that we don't spend enough on education and that increased education will help boost the economy.

The numbers say otherwise. Currently we have too many college graduates and people with graduate degrees for the number of jobs inside and outside of academia. The availability of excess talent doesn't seem to be helping the economy. Spending more money on education helps teachers unions and helps colleges and universities with their already bloated budgets, but it does nothing for society at large once a saturation point is reached.

The current policies of this administration -- excessive onerous and costly regulations on business and an increase in the number and magnitude of taxes -- is sure to make the excess of educated young people in the job market even worse by suppressing business growth.

The Ph.D Bust: America's Awful Market for Young Scientists—in 7 Charts - Jordan Weissmann - The Atlantic

The economy crashed, and with it went the high tech start ups. They'll rebound, but yes right now there are more PhD's than PhD jobs.
 
I think the future of this problem could be observed here. From my memory, the rate of college graduates in South Korea is about 90%. Everybody graduates from college and universities nowadays, even from rural ones. It's become quite a social problem, with a vast overeducated population and too few jobs. Solutions vary from cutting down the number of colleges to offering the country's economy to more investments and more jobs. Really quite a perplexing and interesting problem.
 
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