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Our Own Auschwiz[W:602]

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Thanks Smoke, can you share the source for all that? Is there an article somewhere?

Here's one of the longer term ones I've posted recently. I've posted a bunch over the years.

Decision Rightness and Emotional Responses to Abortion in the United States: A Longitudinal Study

This particular one also notes that women's feelings steadily reduce towards a lower intensity of whatever their original feelings were, both positive and negative, as we see with most temporary stressors. This is basically the process of "moving on," as opposed to what we might see in trauma situations where feelings persist, or regrets form. It confirms that abortion has the psychological affect of a temporary life stress, not a trauma or a grief.

There's always outliers, especially in medical situations where the abortion was never wanted, but may have been necessary. Other known scenarios where women are at risk include pre-existing mental illness, and of course coercion situations.

But your average self-motivated elective abortion scenario, which is roughly 95% of abortions, is something women process quite well. Even in many of these more difficult situations which may make a woman more vulnerable to distress, their long-term outcome is positive, as noted by the fact that only 1% of women continue to report strong feelings 3 years later.
 
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I do not doubt that some do, but by and far they probably don't.

Unwanted pregnancy is a massive stressor.

People say that "if she doesn't want it, she can put it up for adoption"

But the reality is that just being pregnant can cause great risk for a woman. She can face serious health issues, lose time off work - and if she is marginally employed anyway, this may threaten her ability to pay her rent and utilities. And frankly, if she ends up deeply in debt....her credit rating goes into the toilet. Try renting a decent place to live with a crappy credit rating. Try getting a job when you are pregnant.

Yes, it can be. But of course, that's where abortion helps in many cases. Those severe stressors become temporary ones, because they are able to protect their survival means, whether that means financially or physically. Fundamentally, abortion is a decision that is usually based around preserving one's present quality of life.

Women in typical elective situations run the gamete. For some it is a very easy and simple decision. For some it is very difficult. But because 95+% of women who abort feel their decision was correct for them, it then follows the course of a temporary stressor, where intensity of feelings reduces rapidly over time. Ultimately, it doesn't stick with most women as an ongoing source of stress.
 
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To date since the horrendous Roe decision, we lost the equivalent of three generations of Americans to these slaughterhouses. They do not liberate women, they liberate men. The excuses in favor of killing our offspring can fill an entire encyclopedia.
Just what was needed, another ignorant moronic thread fueled by religious zealotry.
 
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I believe most women who have abortions experience some sort of guilt afterwards
Yea, but if you would make the effort to educate yourself, then your belief would not be based in ignorance but actual real world data.
 
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And that's the inconvenient truth about abortion, the psychological trauma may not occur for years. Plus the physical damage that can render a woman sterile, or worse.
More ignorant drivel from you.
 
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Right, most people have no clue about how brutal some abortions can be. It's a horrific business
How the hell do you know? How many did you have?

that of invading an unborn child's sanctuary, in order to rip them from the womb.
Typical ignorant crap.
 
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It is rather telling that the same people that believe that gun control is desirable answer to stop murders feel no remorse or concern at all at the slaughter of 800,000 unborn children in the US every year.
The reverse argument can be made about those who want to defend their rights but want to deny others their rights. Both are failed arguments.
 
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The reverse argument can be made about those who want to defend their rights but want to deny others their rights. Both are failed arguments.
I think you might have just a teensy bit of a different as to the end game. The 'rights' to butcher unborn children results in 800,000 dead babies a year. the right o keep and bear arms does not cause a loss of life. While an argument can be made that accidental deaths might be a result of the Constitutionally protected right to keep ad bear arms, that number is minuscule of its self...but pales by comparison.

Its also telling that those that advocate for the right to butcher unborn children are often the loudest voices AGAINST executions of murderers. Theres another tall bit of irony.

Oh...and for the record...I am NOT in favor of banning womens right to slaughter unborn children.
 
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I think you might have just a teensy bit of a different as to the end game.
No, not in the least. Both instances are about attempts to dictate others how to live their lives, how to exercise their freedom and both are based on ignorance.

The 'rights' to butcher unborn children
Spare me the moronic emotional drivel, it only proves the ignorance of your posts.
 
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No, not in the least. Both instances are about attempts to dictate others how to live their lives, how to exercise their freedom and both are based on ignorance.

Spare me the moronic emotional drivel, it only proves the ignorance of your posts.

No...one is specifically designed to take a life. Think you might have your worse crossed on that whole abortion thing.


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I think you might have just a teensy bit of a different as to the end game. The 'rights' to butcher unborn children results in 800,000 dead babies a year. the right o keep and bear arms does not cause a loss of life. While an argument can be made that accidental deaths might be a result of the Constitutionally protected right to keep ad bear arms, that number is minuscule of its self...but pales by comparison.

Its also telling that those that advocate for the right to butcher unborn children are often the loudest voices AGAINST executions of murderers. Theres another tall bit of irony.

Oh...and for the record...I am NOT in favor of banning womens right to slaughter unborn children.
You can call it butcher a baby if you like as long as it is accessible and legal
 
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As Scabaholic said earlier in this thread “Abortion is not even remotely comparable to the Holocaust. Nobody is trying to eliminate all fetuses. “

Many pregnant women choose to carry their pregnancies to term.

Abortions are rarer now in the US than they were in the 1980s when about 31 or 32 pregnancies out of 100 pregnancies were aborted.

According to 2015 Johnston chart the percentage of abortions by country were 20.2 for the US in 2013 which is the same percentage ( 20.2 ) that United Kingdom had a year later 2014.

Percentage of pregnancies aborted by country (listed by percentage)

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In the 1930’s, there were an estimated 800,000 abortions a year.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abor..._United_States


The population in 1930 according to the U.S. Census was 122,775,048

The rate of the estimated abortions in the 1930s was much higher than anytime after Roe.

Since 1981 the rate of abortions has been pretty much steadily declining until just recently when between the years of 2008 and 2011 the numbers of abortions fell 13 percent and the rate of abortions reached the lowest levels since Roe was passed in 1973.

And in 2014 the number of abortions in the US were under 900,000 in spite of the population increase.

The bolded comment goes to what I have been saying all along. Women choosing abortion is usually not a "convenience" issue. Women who are struggling to meet their day to day needs. Will they have a house, heat, and food tommorrow? Will they have high quality health care if something goes wrong...or to be on the look out for early signs of something going wrong?

Women during the depression had many of the same fears.....
 
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And that's the inconvenient truth about abortion, the psychological trauma may not occur for years. Plus the physical damage that can render a woman sterile, or worse.

Generally, elective abortion isn't thought to cause fertility issues or complications in future pregnancies. However, some studies suggest a possible link between pregnancy termination and an increased risk of premature birth and low birth weight.

Risks may depend on the type of abortion performed:

Medical abortion. Medication is taken in early pregnancy to abort the fetus. Medical abortions do not appear to increase the risk of future pregnancy complications.
Surgical abortion. A surgical procedure removes the fetus from the uterus through the vagina. It's typically done using suction and a sharp, spoon-shaped tool (curet). Rarely, this can cause scarring of the uterine wall (Asherman syndrome), which may make it difficult to get pregnant. Women who have multiple surgical abortion procedures may also have more risk of trauma to the cervix.

https://www.mayoclinic.org/healthy-lifestyle/getting-pregnant/expert-answers/abortion/faq-20058551
 
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If they don't repent and seek Christ and His love and forgiveness, they're already headed there, as is all mankind who reject Christ.

unlike abortion that seems to be morally wrong
 
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