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Our Own Auschwiz[W:602]

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HowardBThiname said:
While I don't agree that this is the equivalent of a holocaust, you bring up an interesting point -- it liberates men.

You might have meant financially, and that might play a role too, but a few years ago it came to my attention that underage girls were being pressured by older males (some were even family members) to abort because that would destroy the evidence of their sexual crime.

It's a little-talked-about, but still important aspect of today's abortions performed on underage girls. While the girl (in my opinion) has the right to an abortion, does the male (if older) who impregnated her have the right to escape prosecution?
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In fact there was study of abortions after unplanned pregnancies among married couples and couples who were in committed relationships.

Men were the first to bring up abortion in 44 percent of the cases.
 
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zyzygy said:
Are all Hindus going to hell?
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TheGoverness said:
They don't believe in Jesus, so yes.
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Years back I was watching some program that had invited audience members to ask clergy of multiple religions to answer audience questions.

It was an interesting dialog. Finally the question came up if a person lives a "good life" - treats his family an community with respect....helps those in need.....doesn't lie cheat or steal....if that person does not belong to your religion...what happens to them?

Some of the answers (from Christians) were of the "rot in hell" variety. But my favorite came from a Rabbi.....he said...if the person has lived a "just and true life" one of devotion to family and community....he will be going to a good place....but we will just be in different seating sections. I really liked that response. it allowed for acknowledgement that people can be "good" without a particular faith...or any faith in God.
 
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minnie616 said:
In fact there was study of abortions after unplanned pregnancies among married couples and couples who were in committed relationships.

Men were the first to bring up abortion in 44 percent of the cases.
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This does not surprise me. Pressuring a woman to abort is not the same as allowing her free choice. Men who do that should be ashamed. Also, murder is the number one cause of death for pregnant women, and most of those murders are from domestic violence so that's another very concerning statistic that should be addressed.

https://www.webmd.com/baby/news/20010320/number-1-cause-of-death-in-pregnant-women-murder
 
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TheGoverness said:
They don't believe in Jesus, so yes.
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He appears to be a real piece of work, this Christian god. He allows other religions to be created and then sends people to hell for following them.
 
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Bassman said:
https://world.wng.org/2016/01/the_american_holocaust

To date since the horrendous Roe decision, we lost the equivalent of three generations of Americans to these slaughterhouses. They do not liberate women, they liberate men. The excuses in favor of killing our offspring can fill an entire encyclopedia.
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Abortion is not even remotely comparable to the Holocaust. Nobody is trying to eliminate all fetuses. And that many fewer people in the world than there otherwise would be is not a bad thing. There are too many people on the planet.
 
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Bassman said:
To date since the horrendous Roe decision, we lost the equivalent of three generations of Americans to these slaughterhouses. They do not liberate women, they liberate men.
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HAHAHAHAHA!!!!! Liberating men, by giving women a choice. :lamo
 
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Grand Mal said:
Sorry, what?
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In the spot below your username, where it now says, "Question authority", it used to read, "Before you were, I AM". Which looked suspiciously similar to bible verse John 8:58; " Before Abraham was born, I AM."
 
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truthatallcost said:
I believe most women who have abortions experience some sort of guilt afterwards, which may not occur for years afterward, but is real nonetheless. Killing your unborn child because you decided to have unprotected sex flies directly in the face of most women's maternal instincts at some point.

Of course, some women don't have maternal instincts at any point in their lives, and maybe its better if they didn't reproduce.
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No, they don't. Immediately after, the most common feeling is relief. At 10 years post-abortion, most women report no strong feelings of any kind.

Actually, a few even report being more glad they got the abortion than they were initially, often because they later had children and it confirmed their decision. They would have missed out on so much of their kids' childhoods if they'd had one while unprepared. Having one later when they were ready meant they got to enjoy that and actually give their kids the life they wanted to.

The way women react to abortion is the same as how people react to any temporary stressor.
 
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SmokeAndMirrors said:
No, they don't. Immediately after, the most common feeling is relief. At 10 years post-abortion, most women report no strong feelings of any kind.

Actually, a few even report being more glad they got the abortion than they were initially, often because they later had children and it confirmed their decision. They would have missed out on so much of their kids' childhoods if they'd had one while unprepared. Having one later when they were ready meant they got to enjoy that and actually give their kids the life they wanted to.

The way women react to abortion is the same as how people react to any temporary stressor.
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Thanks Smoke, can you share the source for all that? Is there an article somewhere?
 
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SmokeAndMirrors said:
No, they don't. Immediately after, the most common feeling is relief. At 10 years post-abortion, most women report no strong feelings of any kind.

Actually, a few even report being more glad they got the abortion than they were initially, often because they later had children and it confirmed their decision. They would have missed out on so much of their kids' childhoods if they'd had one while unprepared. Having one later when they were ready meant they got to enjoy that and actually give their kids the life they wanted to.

The way women react to abortion is the same as how people react to any temporary stressor.
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I do not doubt that some do, but by and far they probably don't.

Unwanted pregnancy is a massive stressor.

People say that "if she doesn't want it, she can put it up for adoption"

But the reality is that just being pregnant can cause great risk for a woman. She can face serious health issues, lose time off work - and if she is marginally employed anyway, this may threaten her ability to pay her rent and utilities. And frankly, if she ends up deeply in debt....her credit rating goes into the toilet. Try renting a decent place to live with a crappy credit rating. Try getting a job when you are pregnant.
 
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Bassman said:
we lost the equivalent of three generations of Americans to these slaughterhouses.
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Even if every other zany nonsensical thing you believe about Abortion were true(which it's not), this still assumes that the remainder of the woman's life would be the same if she were forced to go through with the unwanted pregancy.

How many women who have an abortion will later on in life get married and have children? How many women would have had the same number of children if they didn't have an abortion?

A perfect example, I personally know a woman who had an abortion from an accidental random pregnancy when she was 17. Later in life after college, she got married, and she and her husband had two children and a very stable family.

If she'd been forced into single motherhood she likely wouldn't have gone to college and would likely have required welfare. She also would have struggled to meet a decent man who would be willing to help her raise a child that wasn't his. That would have left her with only the one child. Even if she did find a man it would have also probably been a guy that had a child of his own out of wedlock. If the two of them did decide to have more children of their own it's unlikely they would have had more than one more, particularly considering her likely financial situation.

The argument could easily be made, that by aborting the one unplanned child, she was able to put herself in a better financial and relationship position so that she could have two more. If she wouldn't have aborted there's a decent chance the one unplanned child would have been the only child she ever had, and there's really no way she would have ever had three. That leaves us with a net gain of children being born as a result of abortion.

I think you will find examples like this to actually be incredibly common. Likely even the norm. So, in reality, we're not losing a generation at all, we're gaining a better, healthier, more financially stable generation.
 
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Bassman said:
https://world.wng.org/2016/01/the_american_holocaust

To date since the horrendous Roe decision, we lost the equivalent of three generations of Americans to these slaughterhouses. They do not liberate women, they liberate men. The excuses in favor of killing our offspring can fill an entire encyclopedia.
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You are not alone in comparing it morally with the Holocaust.
 
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joG said:
You are not alone in comparing it morally with the Holocaust.
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As Scabaholic said earlier in this thread “Abortion is not even remotely comparable to the Holocaust. Nobody is trying to eliminate all fetuses. “

Many pregnant women choose to carry their pregnancies to term.

Abortions are rarer now in the US than they were in the 1980s when about 31 or 32 pregnancies out of 100 pregnancies were aborted.

According to 2015 Johnston chart the percentage of abortions by country were 20.2 for the US in 2013 which is the same percentage ( 20.2 ) that United Kingdom had a year later 2014.

Percentage of pregnancies aborted by country (listed by percentage)

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In the 1930’s, there were an estimated 800,000 abortions a year.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abor..._United_States


The population in 1930 according to the U.S. Census was 122,775,048

The rate of the estimated abortions in the 1930s was much higher than anytime after Roe.

Since 1981 the rate of abortions has been pretty much steadily declining until just recently when between the years of 2008 and 2011 the numbers of abortions fell 13 percent and the rate of abortions reached the lowest levels since Roe was passed in 1973.

And in 2014 the number of abortions in the US were under 900,000 in spite of the population increase.
 
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Bassman said:
https://world.wng.org/2016/01/the_american_holocaust

To date since the horrendous Roe decision, we lost the equivalent of three generations of Americans to these slaughterhouses. They do not liberate women, they liberate men. The excuses in favor of killing our offspring can fill an entire encyclopedia.
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joG said:
You are not alone in comparing it morally with the Holocaust.
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minnie616 said:
As Scabaholic said earlier in this thread “Abortion is not even remotely comparable to the Holocaust. Nobody is trying to eliminate all fetuses. “

Many pregnant women choose to carry their pregnancies to term.

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The rate of the estimated abortions in the 1930s was much higher than anytime after Roe.

Since 1981 the rate of abortions has been pretty much steadily declining until just recently when between the years of 2008 and 2011 the numbers of abortions fell 13 percent and the rate of abortions reached the lowest levels since Roe was passed in 1973.

And in 2014 the number of abortions in the US were under 900,000 in spite of the population increase.
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Correction in 2013 the CDC US had fewer than 700,000 abortions.

In 2013, 664,435 legal induced abortions were reported to CDC from 49 reporting areas. The abortion rate for 2013 was 12.5 abortions per 1,000 women aged 15–44 years, and the abortion ratio was 200 abortions per 1,000 live births
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https://www.cdc.gov/reproductivehealth/data_stats/abortion.htm
 
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truthatallcost said:
In the spot below your username, where it now says, "Question authority", it used to read, "Before you were, I AM". Which looked suspiciously similar to bible verse John 8:58; " Before Abraham was born, I AM."
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No, what it said was, "As you are, I was." The rest of it is, "As I am, you will be."
Not sure who to attribute, but I think it was on a tombstone.
 
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Bassman said:
And that's the inconvenient truth about abortion, the psychological trauma may not occur for years. Plus the physical damage that can render a woman sterile, or worse.
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Sources, please.
 
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Bassman said:
https://world.wng.org/2016/01/the_american_holocaust

To date since the horrendous Roe decision, we lost the equivalent of three generations of Americans to these slaughterhouses. They do not liberate women, they liberate men. The excuses in favor of killing our offspring can fill an entire encyclopedia.
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Just what the world needed another extremist abortion thread.
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Bassman said:
https://world.wng.org/2016/01/the_american_holocaust

To date since the horrendous Roe decision, we lost the equivalent of three generations of Americans to these slaughterhouses. They do not liberate women, they liberate men. The excuses in favor of killing our offspring can fill an entire encyclopedia.
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Oh, I get it. You're pretending a law against abortion will stop abortions.
 
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