Our economy will be shut down in a month, Biden is losing control of covid

[snakestretcher]

It's not gonna help anyway. Masks are the way to go along with social distancing. You can't mandate vaccines in this country. Look what's happening around the world. Look at France. The blow back in the US would be unreal. Thanks!!

Actually the US can mandate vaccination, and there's legal precedent...

Jacobson v. Massachusetts - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[Logophile]

Actually the US can mandate vaccination, and there's legal precedent...

Jacobson v. Massachusetts - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

No, that's not a mandate, SS. I've already been all through this. And the guy never did have to get the vaccine. Rather he got a fine. And we're talking WAY back. Aside from which, legal scholars have all but dismissed this case. Legal precedent aside, the public wouldn't stand for it. It's that simple. You think because you're hard left and on this board that Biden voters are the same way, but they're not. Most Biden voters aren't hard left like you, and they wouldn't tolerate forced vaccinations. Only a small minority advocates draconian measures. But if it were attempted, guaranteed it would unite most of the country against the government. Thanks!!

 

[snakestretcher]

No, that's not a mandate, SS. I've already been all through this. And the guy never did have to get the vaccine. Rather he got a fine. And we're talking WAY back. Aside from which, legal scholars have all but dismissed this case. Legal precedent aside, the public wouldn't stand for it. It's that simple. You think because you're hard left and on this board that Biden voters are the same way, but they're not. Most Biden voters aren't hard left like you, and they wouldn't tolerate forced vaccinations. Only a small minority advocates draconian measures. But if it were attempted, guaranteed it would unite most of the country against the government. Thanks!!

Doesn't matter how "way back" it was; legal precedent is active forever. And yes, mandatory vaccination was judged legal with a 7-2 majority. Legal scholars can say or argue whatever they want, but they can't change the law or precedent. The public wouldn't stand for it? Tough; I'm sure you can't stand being taxed on your income either, or being forced to wear a seat belt while driving. Then there's this...

Vaccination policy of the United States - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

"All 50 states mandate immunisation [for children starting school]".

 

[Fledermaus]

Shouldn't the government encourage people to wear n95 masks? Even Fauci said a cloth mask is not effective against the virus.

Why?

Do you not understand the reason masks are recommended?

And, please, quote him.

If you refer to the interview he did anti-maskers ignore where he states masks are effective in reducing transfer.

 

[Rogue Valley]

Blame the victim? Why didn't restaurants/stores require proof of vaccine entrance like months ago? I went to a gentlemen's club last month, there was no proof of vaccine for a lap dance!

Because red states put "personal freedom" ahead of "personal safety" is why.

Wake up.

 

[Logophile]

Doesn't matter how "way back" it was; legal precedent is active forever. And yes, mandatory vaccination was judged legal with a 7-2 majority. Legal scholars can say or argue whatever they want, but they can't change the law or precedent. The public wouldn't stand for it? Tough; I'm sure you can't stand being taxed on your income either, or being forced to wear a seat belt while driving. Then there's this...

Vaccination policy of the United States - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

"All 50 states mandate immunisation [for children starting school]".

It won't fly. It just won't. You can cite any precedent you want,. It wouldn't fly in England either. You can't MAKE adults do things like that, no matter how you try. They either have to be willing or forget about it. You're living in a fantasy if you think you're going to use those tactics in any free democracy. You're starting to sound like Stalin. Thanks!!

 

[Paradoxical]

Well there are two separate America's

The vaccinated and the unvaccinated.

I am vaccinated and living a normal life

Now where I work I am surrounded by trumpers. Trust me the unvaccinated are dropping like flies. Frankly the world will be better off with fewer trumpers.

Wouldn't that be a good thing to get rid of the "trumpers"?

 

[Paradoxical]

Seems people can be slow learners. Take the recent case of 2 states in Australia. After being covid free for months, New South Wales (NSW) state had their first cases of delta. Their state leaders played around with loose regional partial lockdowns after a week or two delay trying to trace the cases. Over a month later of ever broader and tighter lockdowns case numbers still haven't peaked and they are in a mess as people continue to die.

The NSW infections crossed the state border to Victoria state. They have already had multiple outbreaks that they have beaten after well documented long messy lockdowns that sucked the life out of their economy and people. They had previously followed the sort of gradual lockdown path that NSW is using now. This time though they finally learned their lesson and locked down tight as soon as the first cases appeared. While NSW is looking at months of lockdowns and deaths still, Victoria is already back out of lockdown having beaten the outbreak in a few weeks.

With the now longvavailable, and mounting evidence that early, hard lockdowns are the most effective way to beat covid both for health and economic reasons, I call any leader who dicks around putting peoples lives at risk culpable.

Didn't they lock down because of cases and not deaths? What I saw was that ONE person died from this new starin. He was 80 years old. Please get back to me on this.

 

[Paradoxical]

Because red states put "personal freedom" ahead of "personal safety" is why.

Wake up.

When will you all learn that infections don't mean anything? It's like someone getting the flu, staying home, getting rest and eating chicken soup, and you guys going all-in on freako.

 

[CaughtInThe]

COVID isn't about Biden.

It's a polll to see how many men descended from Gomer Pile.

 

[Ishm]

Didn't they lock down because of cases and not deaths? What I saw was that ONE person died from this new starin. He was 80 years old. Please get back to me on this.

I think there are 8 (?) deaths so far from this outbreak. A lady in her 80's and a guy in his 20's yesterday, plus some others in the past week or two. As always the death toll lags the infection rate, and they are only just starting to hopefully see the infection rate start to plateau this week.

The death rate isn't the only problem though. It's being isolated from the rest of the country and under ever increasing lockdown for a much longer period than it could have been if they had followwd the now proven science to lockdown hard at the first community spread case. Vistoria finally learned their lesson and went hard early to end up with a much shorter lockdown.

 

[Paradoxical]

I think there are 8 (?) deaths so far from this outbreak. A lady in her 80's and a guy in his 20's yesterday, plus some others in the past week or two. As always the death toll lags the infection rate, and they are only just starting to hopefully see the infection rate start to plateau this week.

The death rate isn't the only problem though. It's being isolated from the rest of the country and under ever increasing lockdown for a much longer period than it could have been if they had followwd the now proven science to lockdown hard at the first community spread case. Vistoria finally learned their lesson and went hard early to end up with a much shorter lockdown.

Really? For EIGHT deaths, they cause people to lose their businesses all across a country and you see this as a good thing? Seriously? Will they lock down when the flu season comes, too?

 

[Fledermaus]

It won't fly. It just won't. You can cite any precedent you want,. It wouldn't fly in England either. You can't MAKE adults do things like that, no matter how you try. They either have to be willing or forget about it. You're living in a fantasy if you think you're going to use those tactics in any free democracy. You're starting to sound like Stalin. Thanks!!

????????

WTF?

Sound like Stalin by acting to keep people alive and arrest the spread of COVID?

 

[Fledermaus]

Really? For EIGHT deaths, they cause people to lose their businesses all across a country and you see this as a good thing? Seriously? Will they lock down when the flu season comes, too?

Silly questions.

 

[Luce]

????????

WTF?

Sound like Stalin by acting to keep people alive and arrest the spread of COVID?

You were expecting what?

 

[Fledermaus]

Wouldn't that be a good thing to get rid of the "trumpers"?

They are thinning their own herd. And infecting others through their stupidity.

 

[Mongidig]

Do you mean the blacks or the Hispanics?

Blacks, Hispanics and deplorables.

 

[JasperL]

You need to take it up with your idiot president, who keeps allowing illegals into the country with no vaccinations.

Unvaccinated illegals aren't the problem. Right wingers who are spreading disinformation and fear about vaccines and discouraging their use are why we have pathetic vaccination rates in red counties. Here's a map. Guess where vaccination rates are lowest? If you want to really understand the data, look at the map of any state - the more rural, and red, the lower the vaccination rate.

CDT Redirect Page

 

[JasperL]

When will you all learn that infections don't mean anything? It's like someone getting the flu, staying home, getting rest and eating chicken soup, and you guys going all-in on freako.

When will you learn that infections ==> hospitalizations ===> deaths. Reported infections come first, with deaths lagging up to weeks after the spike in infections because it takes a while to die, then a while for the death reports to be submitted and processed.

We've been through this about 10 times now. Should be obvious. FL has seen cases skyrocket, and just passed their previous peak hospitalization numbers. That's not a coincidence. We'll see deaths continue to rise in FL, as they're doing already.

 

[snakestretcher]

It won't fly. It just won't. You can cite any precedent you want,. It wouldn't fly in England either. You can't MAKE adults do things like that, no matter how you try. They either have to be willing or forget about it. You're living in a fantasy if you think you're going to use those tactics in any free democracy. You're starting to sound like Stalin. Thanks!!

Vaccinations for school children are mandatory, so why not for adults? What's the difference?

 

[Paradoxical]

When will you learn that infections ==> hospitalizations ===> deaths. Reported infections come first, with deaths lagging up to weeks after the spike in infections because it takes a while to die, then a while for the death reports to be submitted and processed.

We've been through this about 10 times now. Should be obvious. FL has seen cases skyrocket, and just passed their previous peak hospitalization numbers. That's not a coincidence. We'll see deaths continue to rise in FL, as they're doing already.

The death rate is minimal. Look it up and get back to me or stop your rantings.

 

[JasperL]

The death rate is minimal. Look it up and get back to me or stop your rantings.

If I remember, I'll revisit the thread in a month or so. I'm confident you'll be as wrong this time as you were the other 10 times or so, when we had surges, then hospitalizations, then deaths, following in a logical order, but what we see through reporting is delayed because of reasons that are obvious to anyone paying attention, and that I explained.

And, again, FL just hit their all time peak for hospitalizations. If you don't care about that, OK, but those in the hospital do care, because it sucks being sick enough to have to be hospitalized or DIE.

Florida again breaks record for COVID-19 hospitalizations

The number of people hospitalized for COVID-19 in Florida rose to an all-time high of 11,515 patients in one day, according to data the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services released Tuesday.

www.pbs.org

Aug 3, 2021 10:31 AM EDT

FORT LAUDERDALE, Fla. (AP) — The number of people hospitalized for COVID-19 in Florida rose to an all-time high of 11,515 patients in one day, according to data the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services released Tuesday.

The data is used by the Florida Hospital Association to track admissions and staffing shortages. The figures also show 2,400 of those patients are in ICU beds.
The previous day, the data showed there were 10,389 COVID-hospitalizations in the state.

The new number breaks a previous record for current hospitalizations set more than a year ago before vaccines were available. Last year, Florida hit its previous peak on July 23, with 10,170 hospitalizations.

Hospitals around the state report having to put emergency room visitors in beds in hallways and others document a noticeable drop in the age of patients.

 

[snakestretcher]

The death rate is minimal. Look it up and get back to me or stop your rantings.

Yeah, so minimal it was going to be forgotten by August 2020, remember your prediction?

 

[Paradoxical]

If I remember, I'll revisit the thread in a month or so. I'm confident you'll be as wrong this time as you were the other 10 times or so, when we had surges, then hospitalizations, then deaths, following in a logical order, but what we see through reporting is delayed because of reasons that are obvious to anyone paying attention, and that I explained.

And, again, FL just hit their all time peak for hospitalizations. If you don't care about that, OK, but those in the hospital do care, because it sucks being sick enough to have to be hospitalized or DIE.

Florida again breaks record for COVID-19 hospitalizations

The number of people hospitalized for COVID-19 in Florida rose to an all-time high of 11,515 patients in one day, according to data the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services released Tuesday.

www.pbs.org

Nope. I don't CARE about infections or snowflakes who are hospitalized....only deaths. Next question?

Oh, WAIT! You found the number of deaths in the past two months has been extremely low and now want are moving the goalposts further away and when a month passes and they are still low, you will say,

"Look, red squirrel....masks "worked". I got it.

 

[snakestretcher]

Nope. I don't CARE about infections or snowflakes who are hospitalized....only deaths. Next question?

Oh, WAIT! You found the number of deaths in the past two months has been extremely low and now want are moving the goalposts further away and when a month passes and they are still low, you will say,

"Look, red squirrel....masks "worked". I got it.

So you don't care that a recovering Covid patient might be disabled for life with irreversible lung damage, with other organs like the heart and brain also being compromised. What a fine example of an empathic, non-judgemental and responsible adult you are.

Long covid: Damage to multiple organs presents in young, low risk patients

Young, low risk patients with ongoing symptoms of covid-19 had signs of damage to multiple organs four months after initially being infected, a preprint study has suggested.1 Initial data from 201 patients suggest that almost 70% had impairments in one or more organs four months after their...

www.bmj.com