It's amazing how the right wing fails to recognize this basic fact: if he had the intelligence, why didn't act?
There are only two possible explanations:
1) He did not have sufficient intelligence on OBL's whereabouts, because, in fact, the "enhanced interrogation techniques" failed to live up to what he was told.
2) KSM and the other terrorists did break and tell all, but bush ignored it and just sat there.
Take your pick
or:
3) you have very little understanding of intelligence beyond what you've seen in the movies.
Or one of the many excluded middles. Maybe the info that these folks had was not enough on its own.It's amazing how the right wing fails to recognize this basic fact: if he had the intelligence, why didn't act?
There are only two possible explanations:
1) He did not have sufficient intelligence on OBL's whereabouts, because, in fact, the "enhanced interrogation techniques" failed to live up to what he was told.
2) KSM and the other terrorists did break and tell all, but bush ignored it and just sat there.
Take your pick
From what I have seen, it's not that it "doesn't work" so much as it's not as reliable or as useful as other methods.
To me, it's not about whether we got info from these sorts of techniques, but whether or not those are the best choice.
I can get beer from a bottle using a hammer. It works. But that doesn't mean it's a good idea to get beer from a bottle with a hammer.
or:
3) you have very little understanding of intelligence beyond what you've seen in the movies.
Or one of the many excluded middles. Maybe the info that these folks had was not enough on its own.
Or one of a gajillion other possibilities.
Just because you construct a false dilemma doesn't mean that your debate opponent has to choose one of the horns.
The document says: "In July 2003, detainee received a letter from [Bin Laden's] designated courier, Maulawi Abd al-Khaliq Jan, requesting detainee take on the responsibility of collecting donations, organising travel and distributing funds for families in Pakistan. [Bin Laden] stated detainee would be the official messenger between [Bin Laden] and others in Pakistan. In mid-2003, detainee moved his family to Abbottabad (Pakistan) and worked between Abbottabad and Peshawar."
Libi was captured in Pakistan in 2005. The CIA says it tracked Bin Laden by tracing the network of couriers, in particular one especially trusted by the al-Qaida leader and who died with himin the US raid on Sunday. The US has not yet named the courier.
US may have got Osama bin Laden's Abbottabad clue in 2008
So, you're the expert then, eh?
My only complaint is that they didn't cut his head off. They should've done that.
22 years in the military, working with, in and around, intelligence...you tell me.
Face palms my mistake that was the short version of the thing
Also here is the link too the press conference in which he actually says it
Long Bush Flip-Flop List
Also I used many of the words all I could fine is the YouTube clip and a couple of list that say he is a big fat lie.
omg this "Bush didn't try to catch OBL" BS is getting ridiculous. I will never be Bush's #1 fan (except maybe when it comes to comedic value), but let's drop this bull**** notion that he didn't try to get Osama. He did try, he either just didn't have enough intel to act, or he screwed up (like in Tora Bora). Bush cannot be faulted for lack of trying.
Liberals will always find something to whine and fault find. Even when a nation should be saying thanks to the people who served them so well they'll still look around to find something to complain about.
There are no more tiresome creatures anywhere in the western world than these people.
Liberals will always find something to whine and fault find. Even when a nation should be saying thanks to the people who served them so well they'll still look around to find something to complain about.
There are no more tiresome creatures anywhere in the western world than these people.
Just a reminder to all Bin Laden was not a shooter or even a planner. His demise is important only symbolically. Only
I think there is some truth to this, but it's a bit of an exaggeration that he was never a planner. I do agree that he was more of a figurehead with an important image.
1 People making, the assumption that Bin Laden was THE leader of AQ - bad assumption.
2 Operational planning in AQ was not entirely dependent on Bin Laden. So there probably wouldn't be much effect in the long run
3 Bin Laden will become a martyr, which is exactly what he and his organization would like....This is where I think the greatest impact would come - legends aren't easily replaced.
so you would have left him alone?
I'm a liberal. I'm not bashing Bush. Neither is repeter, who agreed with my post.
Yes, i know you weren't bashing Bush. My point was directed towards those who were.
Perhaps you're less 'liberal' than you think, and that's a compliment.
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