Oregon mandates abortion coverage

[vegas giants]

It's the codes for weeks of gestation.

Yep. Thanks

 

[Henrin]

Yep. Thanks

So it doesn't mean anything to your argument. The point still remains that it's not a medical condition and nothing you provided shows otherwise.

 

[vegas giants]

So it doesn't mean anything to your argument. The point still remains that it's not a medical condition and nothing you provided shows otherwise.

Yeah. What other things are in the ICD that are not medical conditions?

 

[Henrin]

Yeah. What other things are in the ICD that are not medical conditions?

Do you know why the codes(which is what they are) are used?

 

[vegas giants]

Do you know why the codes(which is what they are) are used?

To bill for medical conditions. What else is in the ICD other than medical conditions?

 

[Henrin]

To bill for medical conditions. What else is in the ICD other than medical conditions?

No, they are for sequencing priority. They mean nothing to your argument.

 

[vegas giants]

No, they are for sequencing priority. They mean nothing to your argument.

Is my question invisible? And in the US they are used for billing

 

[Henrin]

Is my question invisible? And in the US they are used for billing

I already answered your question. Anyway, they are part of the ICD-10 for sequencing priority. How other people decide to use them is another matter.

 

[vegas giants]

I already answered your question. Anyway, they are part of the ICD-10 for sequencing priority. How other people decide to use them is another matter.

Nope you are just wrong on this one. The ICD is a list of medical conditions....find anyone but you that says otherwise

 

[Henrin]

Nope you are just wrong on this one. The ICD is a list of medical conditions....find anyone but you that says otherwise

I already said what the chapter name was for and what was under it.

 

[vegas giants]

I already said what the chapter name was for and what was under it.

Yep. A list of medical conditions. Thanks

 

[Henrin]

Yep. A list of medical conditions. Thanks

Yes, for conditions that could happen during pregnancy, childbirth and puerperium. The contents of the chapter is the medical conditions, not the chapters name.

 

[vegas giants]

Yes, for conditions that could happen during pregnancy, childbirth and puerperium. The list itself is the medical conditions, not the chapter names.

Sorry. You lost this one. Good night

 

[Henrin]

Sorry. You lost this one. Good night

How did I lose when I defeated every argument you put out?

 

[joG]

I think there is no case to make that it is unconstitutional. You can not single out one group unfairly under the constitution without compelling government interest (14th amendment). Not paying for abortion and paying for vasectomies clearly discriminates against women

Don't be silly. The discrimination is that men cannot have them. So, women are asking for money, men cannot have, which is slick ....
....and forcing others to pay for what their religion forbids them is certainly against the Constitution, unless we reinterpret the Constitution instead of altering it in the way the Constitution prescribes. Change the Constitution legally and there would be no problem with the this action being unconstitutional and anti-societal. And with the majorities the Liberals claim to have, it is quite astounding that they are so dishonest and sleazy as to have tried this approach of changing the definitions. I can only imagine thoughtlessness or, what would be worse, premeditation to stabilize the precedent of not having to change the Constitution as has been done in Europe by statist parties.

 

[holbritter]

Keep it the Hell out of Ohio too. Pondering over the decisions of those states on both coasts of our great country that often turn into plagues that every state in between has to fight like Hell to keep out. G-d I am thankful I live in fly over country.

Our premiums would skyrocket even more if they passed that in NY.

 

[holbritter]

They are both very effective forms of birth control

I am not against abortion, but it is a serious decision to make after careful thought. Not to mention that there are way cheaper forms of birth control. To think of abortion as birth control is just wrong, and many who do not oppose it would agree. To be so cavalier about it is even more disgusting.

 

[Fletch]

What I see is a lot of people who seriously need to mind their own business.

If an unwanted pregnancy happens somewhere, and is born, you're nowhere to be found, it ain't your problem. It's the woman who is a screw up. But ohhhhhh, the poor little fetus, protect it so people who believe as you do will have a reason to ridicule women.

I was wondering what sort of nonsense you would come up with to justify your hypocrisy. Now I know--you double down on hypocrisy and erect straw men.

 

[Scrabaholic]

American Medical Association says fetuses at 20 weeks have brain activity and feel pain. Conducted by researchers who have no interest in the abortion debate. I did this research a few years ago. With all the Pro Life and Pro Choice propaganda clogging the net an unbiased source was hard to find. Search yourself if you are honestly curious.

I believe the 26 week weeks comes from Pro Choice propaganda trying to protect Roe V. Wade that allows abortions up to 24 weeks.

As a Libertarian I have no problem with early term abortion. I am just pointing out the facts that I have found.

Pain is an emotional and psychological experience that requires conscious recognition of a noxious stimulus. Consequently, the capacity for conscious perception of pain can arise only after thalamocortical pathways begin to function, which may occur in the third trimester around 29 to 30 weeks’ gestational age, based on the limited data available. Small-scale histological studies of human fetuses have found that thalamocortical fibers begin to form between 23 and 30 weeks’ gestational age, but these studies did not specifically examine thalamocortical pathways active in pain perception.

While the presence of thalamocortical fibers is necessary for pain perception, their mere presence is insufficient—this pathway must also be functional. It has been proposed that transient, functional thalamocortical circuits may form via subplate neurons around midgestation, but no human study has demonstrated this early functionality. Instead, constant SEPs appear at 29 weeks’ PCA, and EEG patterns denoting wakefulness appear around 30 weeks’ PCA. Both of these tests of cortical function suggest that conscious perception of pain does not begin before the third trimester.

Fetal Pain | JAMA | The JAMA Network

 

[calamity]

I never said women "needed" to monitor their pregnancies, but that women "want" to monitor their pregnancies. As I said, women do not usually require any medical attention during a pregnancy. Heck, they can have birth just about anywhere too. Really, they were having babies in fields well before hospitals came into existence.

They were dying at pretty high rates too. Still are in this country, we have the highest maternal death rates of any developed country in the world.

 

[Lord of Planar]

Oregon has now made it MANDATORY for every insurance company to cover abortion (and birth control and vasectomies). I think this is long overdue and we need to repeal the Hyde Amendment and make this nationwide. Thoughts?

I don't think that abortion coverage should be mandated. I would agree to making the "morning after pill" free on demand though.

I can agree to making vasectomies and tube tying a mandatory coverage as well.

I live in Portlandia.
The craptital of the North-Left coast. I understand the culture, even though I generally disagree with the short-sighted solutions they use.

 

[Lord of Planar]

I must admit I have no problem killing innocent fetuses. Or innocent viruses for that matter

I pity your spiritual afterlife.

 

[year2late]

I am not against abortion, but it is a serious decision to make after careful thought. Not to mention that there are way cheaper forms of birth control. To think of abortion as birth control is just wrong, and many who do not oppose it would agree. To be so cavalier about it is even more disgusting.

Interesting enough, and abortion can be cheaper than the cost of the most effective birth control.

If you are too rich for Medicaid and too poor for insurance (where many of abortion recipients reside - the poor or working poor)....out of pocket costs for long term birthcontrol -IUDs and implantables - can be more expensive than abortion. I wish there was a consistent way to get long term birth control options much cheaper. Prevention of unwanted pregnancy is the most pragmatic way of decreasing abortion rates.

 

[vegas giants]

I am not against abortion, but it is a serious decision to make after careful thought. Not to mention that there are way cheaper forms of birth control. To think of abortion as birth control is just wrong, and many who do not oppose it would agree. To be so cavalier about it is even more disgusting.

It IS birth control. To suggest otherwise is to deny reality

 

[vegas giants]

I pity your spiritual afterlife.

All hail the Flying Spaghetti Monster. Pasta be with you